Looking for a new snare.

[Greg_L]

Him, I'd never tell you to STFU. I'd say something like "Rami dear, please hush hush now".

 

[RAMI]

Him, I'd never tell you to STFU. I'd say something like "Rami dear, please hush hush now".

What would you like for dinner, honey?

 

[Greg_L]

What would you like for dinner, honey?

I'm not sure, so I'm gonna come to your house with my own plates, napkins, and silverware so I can make an educated decision on what I want you to cook for me. Then I'll ask you to just go out and buy me something.

 

[RAMI]

That makes sense.

 

[David40]

No offense, I respect your opinion. But I disagree with pretty much everything you just said. Trying something out in a store will give you a very vague idea of how it will sound in YOUR room with the skins you're going to put on them, the tuning you will do, and so many other things. I'm not saying don't go to the store and hit a drum. But it will really tell you very little about how it will sound as soon as you leave the room, change skins, etc....

And after all that, you tell us that you use fake drums in the studio? You totally lost me there. But like I said, to each their own.

OK, lets say you are correct, what's the alternative? Buy an $800 snare, mail order, only to find out it sounds like crap. Then what do you do, eat it and move on to the next $800 dollar gamble? I'll trust my ears regardless of the room, especially in a recording situation where the mike will right on the thing and the room won't have any effect anyway.
Also, in the studio you would be surprised to find out that just about every drum you hear in popular recordings are not the real sound of the drums. Most of the time these sound are only used a triggers for substitute sounds or blended with other sounds. One example is a song called "On the Move". I was so impressed with the snare drum I contacted the drummer to ask what snare drum he used. First off he informed me that a different drummer came in to do that one song. Then he went on to tell me that the sound that used for that snare was a combination of three different snare drum sounds blended together. I was very disappointed because I was determined to duplicate that sound for my own use. I ended up sampling an isolated hit of the sound from the recording and made it a sample for my own collection of sounds.
By your criteria all music today would be considered "fake". Show me a rock guitar or keyboard sound that is not "fake" through the use of some kind of sound processing. Why should drums be any different or have some arbitrary limitations that other instruments do not have? The music and the sound is what matters, not how it's produced.

 

[Bubba po]

 

[miroslav]

Trying something out in a store will give you a very vague idea of how it will sound in YOUR room with the skins you're going to put on them, the tuning you will do, and so many other things. I'm not saying don't go to the store and hit a drum. But it will really tell you very little about how it will sound as soon as you leave the room, change skins, etc...

People return shit they bought at music stores all the time. There's always lots of used/new gear at stores... 'cuz people changed their minds after they brought it home.

I kind like the surprise of buying online and the anticipation of its arrival.

I've been clearly *disappointed* maybe once or twice only. Most times, the new gear is at worst, just another flavor to add to the arsenal...which is always a good thing.

 

[miroslav]

OK, lets say you are correct, what's the alternative? Buy an $800 snare, mail order, only to find out it sounds like crap. Then what do you do, eat it and move on to the next $800 dollar gamble?

I would just return it for a refund and spend the money on something else.
There is no real gamble, only the time needed to get it, try it, return it, and then order something else.

I've purchased at least 20 guitars and a dozen amps among other things online.
The stuff I really didn't like, I would return/refund or simply resell and then try something else.

I haven't been to a brick-n-mortar store in like 3 years...and when I do go, it's only to get some ideas of what I might want, and then I buy it online anyway, 'cuz I can usually get better prices.

 

[Greg_L]

The supraphonic is not a gamble though.

 

[RAMI]

OK, lets say you are correct, what's the alternative? Buy an $800 snare, mail order, only to find out it sounds like crap.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with going into a store and hitting a few snares to get an idea of how they sound. But it's a very vague idea for all the reasons I mentioned before. Sometimes, yes, you have to go by history and reputation. Unless there's a flaw in the construction, you know that a Ludwig Supraphonic WILL sound good because it's been used in thousands or great rock records over the years. Now, if you prefer the sound of wood or another material that's one thing. But with certain brands and models, you can't go wrong if you know how to tune it well, etc...

 

[Bubba po]

For myself, I hope the music I listen to and admire has real drums on it. When I make recordings I want to get the best sound I can using real instruments. I like to record my son's drumming which has nuances and flair that you are NEVER going to reproduce by triggering a damned sample. Sampling's good for BOOM-TIT imo. The point's already been made that buying something like a Supraphonic is not a gamble. If it sounds wank then it's been tuned badly or something. It's one of the most respected bits of kit in history.

 

[Greg_L]

Boom Tit!

 

[Schwarzenyaeger]

OK, lets say you are correct, what's the alternative? Buy an $800 snare, mail order, only to find out it sounds like crap. Then what do you do, eat it and move on to the next $800 dollar gamble?

What you do here is use a music store like Thomann that has a 30 day money back guarantee, no questions asked.
Buy an effin' Diezel amp and a 2 grand Les Paul for on gig and send it back the next week, who cares.

 

[Rap2Beats]

Rami,

The Ludwig's are great, but it might be worth checking out a Pearl Masters MCX Custom Snare Drum. I've play this drum every time I go into Guitar Center. The die cast rims give it a dryer tone with a really fat sound. Just my 2 cents.

 

[RAMI]

Rami,

The Ludwig's are great, but it might be worth checking out a Pearl Masters MCX Custom Snare Drum. I've play this drum every time I go into Guitar Center. The die cast rims give it a dryer tone with a really fat sound. Just my 2 cents.

Thanx Rap. Unfortunately, the Ludwig's already on it's way. But I'm glad you posted, because it reminded me of something I didn't think of before. I have a die-cast hoop on one of my other snares, but I don't know how many lugs the Supra has. Maybe Greg will be able to tell me. I have a 10 lug die cast hoop. Hopefully I can put it on the Ludwig.

Greg, you mind counting your lugs for me? (Why does that sound gay and dirty to me?)

 

[Greg_L]

10 lugs on the Supra.

 

[RAMI]

10 lugs on the Supra.

Awesome. I have a die cast, the thing seems to weigh a ton.

 

[Greg_L]

Cool. Try it out.

 

[RAMI]

It's heeeeeere.................I'm excited. Might have to jerk off before tuning it up and playing with it.

(I hope I didn't damage it by making it touch a keyboard )

 

[RAMI]

Fuck....You got make your page way smaller for those pictures to fit. Why do pictures always end up so huge on this site?