Levels of commercial success - who's here?

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I just got one of my songs placed in a small budget Hollywood flick. The film just finished.

I am also in negotiations (reworking the contract, sending it back and forth) with a music library. They offered me a staff writing position which starts officially in February 2004.

The first gig I got was doing music for an on-hold message for a mid sized company.

So nobody has really heard anything yet, but hopefully soon!

I'm very excited about both prospects.
 
joro said:
Me?.....no.....not yet....

Two of my online writing partners just had a tune released on the new Cris LeDoux album last week....really good tune too...
"The Buffolo Grass".....Willie McCulloch and Andrea Crimmins...
Both top notch writers....both with their first cut...

It can happen...
and it couldn't have happened to two nicer people...

Me?.....no.....not yet....maybe someday...

Andrea did some background vox on one of my country cuts. She's super cool and talented. Good on her.
 
espskully said:
Andrea did some background vox on one of my country cuts. She's super cool and talented. Good on her.

Agreed....a classy lady for sure....

Which tune did she sing on man?
is it on the web?

Joe
 
espskully said:
"Cause I Lied". It's country!


Dude... listened to the song. Sa-weet! Well written and played etc... one thing though... might be my cans, but her voice sounds like it's way in the front and REAL muddy to me...

... listened a second time with my speakers, a little better, but still pretty muddy. I'l try it again on my near fields... could just be my PC acting weird...

- Tanlith -
 
Just for fun really - I sent her an MP3 and she sent me an MP3 back. That's a lot of lossy compression!
 
Not a big name...no. Hell, not even a small one.

Referencing crawdad, his statements reminded me of a single sentence from a series of books I read as a teen....

"there is more in the seeking than the finding"

The more I write, pursue, and chase this dream - the more I find out about myself. What limits I can push. What scarifices are worth the short term gain, what sacrifices I'll make for a long term gain.

If nothing else, when I reach the end of the road, I may not have "made it big", but i sure as hell had alot of good times, met & jammed with some great people (some were signed and successful), and put my soul to a fretboard that, hopefully, will go to my grave with me ;)
 
Not me man. If I don't make $60,000,000 in the next few years I'm offing myself.
 
There's some real wisdom on this thread, and I hope I don't drag the overall quality down...:), but I think my writing experience reinforces some of the points you all made.

I'm only a newbie in music, with no commercial potential or ambition, but years ago I wanted to be an author - in 1990 sent a submission to a publisher, it got accepted, published, then I got approached by a different publisher, and since have done another six. I've made maybe overall £50k (?? not sure) and learnt lessons about commercial compromises, quality sacrificed to deadlines and general cynicism that if I had my time again I'm not sure I'd bother.

Mixing art and business seems to me to be mostly misery - recommend the Mansion On The Hill by Fred Goodman as an excellent read on exactly this.
 
alien--yeah--thats a good way of putting it! Writing and music are both theraputic and good for the soul. In our pure state, we are all creative beings and our creations can be like windows that we peer through to see ourselves, or parts of ourselves more clearly. Another analogy is that those creations are mirrors reflecting aspects of ourselves back to us.

I'm not sure this is relevant to somebody obsessed with making it huge, but is sure should be, I think. Hitting it big in music is about on par with going to the liquor store and buying lotto tickets hoping for the big payoff. There are a ton of talented people who will try and not make it and there are a ton of others who could make it but will never try. There are a lot of people who will create music for years just for self satisfaction or enjoyment. The route doesn't even matter, but anybody who gets involved in music and makes it a passion is going to attract similar energy.

Musical passion will influence the journey and lead us to unique situations and friendships--even business relationships--that would not or MAY not happen without the creative push. It will also alter our perceptions of ourselves as we come to one day view our own creations seemingly for the first time and ask, "Did I DO THAT?!" My best friends are almost all musicians. Coincidence?

Garry Sharp mentions that despite his success in writing (fiction, I assume Garry?) we are often at the mercy of the business that sells the product. DO you mind changing your verse or chorus melody? Is it OK if your favorite song is getting cut from the album in favor of something more commercial? What if you are in a band with your best friend and management wants him replaced with someone with more charisma and appeal? Well, these are all possible pitfalls of going for the brass ring. If you don't try for commercial success, these things never enter the equation, but--will you wonder 20 years later if you made a mistake by not trying? or refusing to cow tow to the powers that be.

I don't have any answers, really. My personal answer was to widen my pallete. I do stuff just for my own soul and I do stuff aimed at commercial markets too. I don't see any conflict with doing both, at least for myself. If something is getting too frustrating, it usually means that the game I'm playing is too small. Thus, I made a bigger game.

In the end, I think all that matters is that you can say you are proud of what you have created and that you know you have given it your all. The rest is a roll of the dice. Enjoy the ride and never let the ride make your life miserable.
 
good post Crawdad....
makes a lot of sense to me man................


Joe
 
My first two songwriting attempts almost immediately ended up on a CD that was published by my university (3000 copies). I was very fortunate that things happened how it happened (right place, right time, that sort of thing, maybe a bit of talent too :D). I could have gotten a cut but I didn't register the songs. I got a pile of copies that I equally shared with the musicians who helped me to record the songs (all fellow students) and I thought to just leave it at that.
You can wonder why I didn't register the songs but it felt right at the time. A sort of gentleman's agreement. I surely could have used the money but it's not really something I regret.
Next time they'll be paying though :D.
 
Crawdad you say it so well. (To answer your question my books are non-fiction but tried to be gently controversial, within their limited field. No need to bore you any more with it.)

The other thing that this reminds me of is that I used to be passionate about aviation - loved flying until I made it onto a formation display team. Seven years of that, now I don't care if I never fly again. There's nothing to kill romance like the nitty gritty of reality...
 
possibilities

A Practical Guide for Vendors,
Managers and Entrepreneurs, by Garry Sharp.

A to Z of Thrash Metal (Garry Sharp)

Corporate Finance (Self-study workbook)
Garry Sharp, Heather Lightbody

or my favorite from the Google Search...

"Every Girl's Crazy About A Sharp Dressed Giraffe"
 
:D :D :D

Sadly, A-Z of thrash and even more sadly the thing about giraffes are nothing to do with me.

The other two are - I told you it was boring.
 
Books

If you got paid for it, it's not boring when the check comes in. I used to write editorials for a few small newspapers, and it always amazed me that they would pay me for just thinking out loud. It was fun.

By the way, when you read my posts, do they have a British accent? I'd like to hear how I sound that way.
 
Man, I LOVE songwriters! Keep doing it--for whatever reason inspires you most!
 
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