Known noise, how to correct...

[mister bunko]

Guitar/vox goes through Eurorack MX 602A, then to Behrenger Composer Pro-XL, to (here's where it gets fruity) a 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch adapter, to my SOundblaster Live.

the 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch, when fully inserted into sound card, only plays/sounds/records one channel (right or left, I forget which), but it does record/play in stereo if only inserted partly. And very very noisy. What needs to happen to alleviate this issue?


Thanks.

 

[RezN8]

What needs to happen to alleviate this issue?


Thanks.

Upgrade your equipment.

 

[mister bunko]

Upgrade your equipment.

That's a pretty vague answer there, Doc.

Why does the input not facilitate stereo recording? What mechanism is at work?

 

[NTK88]

That's a pretty vague answer there, Doc.

Why does the input not facilitate stereo recording? What mechanism is at work?

Bad connections cause it not to work.
Thats why you have to move it around to get it to work properly.
With so many middle men, there are many chances for something to go wrong.

 

[RezN8]

That's a pretty vague answer there, Doc.

Why does the input not facilitate stereo recording? What mechanism is at work?

Yup, you're right... Sorry 'bout that. Let's start here: On your 1/4 to 1/8 adapter, is it TR or TRS?? In other words, how many black lines are around the upper part of the shaft?

 

[mister bunko]

Yup, you're right... Sorry 'bout that. Let's start here: On your 1/4 to 1/8 adapter, is it TR or TRS?? In other words, how many black lines are around the upper part of the shaft?

Two lines. I bought it from radio shack for like 3 bucks. gold.plated. they say

 

[RezN8]

OK. Next we need to know how you're connected FROM the Beri Composer. Are you using two XLRs down to a Y splitter or the individual TRS outputs? Are the cables you're using speaker cables or a guitar cables?

Are you operating this device as at +4 or -10?

 

[mister bunko]

1/4 inch cable from output send to the sound card (with adapter of course).


It currently is at -10

 

[travelin travis]

Are you connecting the the SoundBlaster's mic input or line input? You should be using the line input. The adapter should have a trs plug that connects to the sound card. If I remember correctly, tip is left, ring is right, and sleeve is ground. What plugs does your adapter have?

 

[mister bunko]

travis

above the multi-pin input on the sound card there are four 1/8 inch inputs. the second is the speaker/headphone jack and the last is where i plug in the adapter, which has two rings

It looks like this here...

 

[travelin travis]

travis

above the multi-pin input on the sound card there are four 1/8 inch inputs. the second is the speaker/headphone jack and the last is where i plug in the adapter, which has two rings

It looks like this here...

What you have there is a 1/4" to 1/8" trs (tip, ring, sleeve) adapter. It won't work for sending two channels from your mixer to your sound card. Also, you might be getting the noise from connecting to the mic input. If your sound card's jacks are color coded, red is the mic input (for pc mics), blue is the line input, and green is the line output (to speakers). You should connect your mixer to the sound card's line input. The line input on a sound card carries one signal on the tip, one on the ring, and ground for both on the sleeve. You need an adapter with two 1/4" ts (tip, sleeve) jacks on one end and a 1/8" trs plug on the other end.

I don't know who carries the adapter you need. It's commonly used for running insert effects with a mixer. This is it but I can't find it at the usual places: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=44080

You would connect that to your 1/4" to 1/8" adapter.

 

[RezN8]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the TRS outputs on the Beri ProXL TWO separate MONO outputs? And the Soundblaster card has a single STEREO line input? So wouldn't you have to combine the two MONO output cables to one STEREO input cable (using a Y splitter cable), then to an adapter? You still might have noise but you would then have stereo...

 

[travelin travis]

I just noticed that the MX 602a only has one aux send, which amounts to a mono out. You will have to make use of the main, control room, or tape outs.

 

[Mindset]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the TRS outputs on the Beri ProXL TWO separate MONO outputs? And the Soundblaster card has a single STEREO line input? So wouldn't you have to combine the two MONO output cables to one STEREO input cable (using a Y splitter cable), then to an adapter? You still might have noise but you would then have stereo...

it would be Dual mono, not stereo.

 

[RezN8]

it would be Dual mono, not stereo.

Yes sir. You are correct. DUAL MONO would be sent to his "stereo" input. But if I said that I thought I might've confused him even more.

 

[mister bunko]

Just point me to the product , fellas.

 

[Zed10R]

Just point me to the product , fellas.

The biggest quickest improvement would be to replace your soundblaster. THey are really not good for this.

Delta 1010's give great results for the $$ and have 10 in's and 10 out's. Plug a presonus HP4 into the out's and powered monitors into the Presonus and you have switchable monitor/headphone monitoring....VERY handy. Berry mixers aren't THAT bad...but you should get a decent single channel phantom power pre for critical tracks like vocals. Keep the connections down to a minimum, and get all decent 1/4" and/or XLR cables...like mogami or (some will gasp..) monster.

hope that helps a little.

 

[mister bunko]

Went to Radio Shack. Told the sweaty fellow my issue. He sold me:

2 of these mono to mono sheilded adapters accepting 1/4 mono phone plugs.

Then a 1/4 to 1/8 y-adapter.

Same issues. Same result. Same suckiness.


That soundcard will be great if i can get $300 to buy it. I'm a MUSICIAN. I do things as cheaply as I can.


Oh well. Thanks for your attempts at helping me everyone.

 

[mister bunko]

Where's that thigamajig plug in?

Oh boy! Audiophile 2496, Behrenger Eurorack MX 602A, and Cubase...

Ok. I have RCA wire running from Audiophile OUT to Eurorack tape IN. Then I have 2 1/2 inch cables with attendant adapters running from MAIN OUT of the Eurorack into the INS of the Audiophile.

Now there are two scenarios, which I think may be related to Cubase somehow.

I can now record instruments from my Eurorack to the PC on an individual track, BUT I cannot hear what it is I'm recording.

OR:

I can hear and record but the accompaniment bleeds into the new track.


These two scenarios depend on whether I have depressed the "Aux Ret" button on the Eurorack.


So why can I not hear what I'm recording unless it's subject to track bleeding?


Thank youze.

 

[travelin travis]

well you're pumping music into your mixer and sending everything back to the computer. you need to read up a bit on signal routing my man. if the behringer manual doesn't cover the subject, check out a yamaha or mackie mixer manual from their websites.