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manning1
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fview. hiss ? what hiss ? you mean over the monitors you can hear hiss ?
i'm not with you. i dont get any hiss.
i'm not with you. i dont get any hiss.
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tedluk
New member
Cloneboy-
I don't take any personal offense at you. Brag away if it makes you feel better. I really don't care. If I had your gear, I'd probably want to tell people too. As it is, I will pump the products I've got because I know them and like them.
The point is that this is a forum for people who are just starting. Suggesting to someone who wants to get started that he needs to spend a minimum of $7500.00 (your number) just for mics, mixer and recorder and intimating that it really should be more like $31,000 is not only not helping him, it's destructive.
Soundcard- several decent choices at $100.00
Mixer- Yamaha, Phonic, Behringer- not great, I know, but they will work
$80.00-$150.00
Mics- There are literally dozens of cheap, condensor and dynamic mics out of China that can be had for next to nothing and some of them are not terrible. Remember, he's just starting. $250.00
Speakers- Again, there are a lot of powered, not bad sounding near-field speakers out there right now. $200.00
Ok, that's around $700.00 new, less if he buys used equipment. He can definitely make recordings with this. Maybe not great ones, but it's a place to start.
Finally, maybe I'm actually reacting to how you come across not "reading in a lot of stuff" at all. I've seen you repeatedly tell people in this forum to forget about recording unless they study for a year, that admonition is usually coupled, as in this thread, with a list of hopelessly expensive gear they supposedly need. If I came in here, as a newbie, I'd react one of two ways- I'd either believe that I can't get into home recording unless I have a massive budget, or I'd come away thinking you were, and I'm trying my best to be nice here, less than helpful.
If someone has no knowledge and comes, not surprisingly, into a newbie forum, don't you think he's trying to GET that knowledge? How did you learn? Did you ask questions? I'll bet you did. You probably asked questions of anyone who you thought knew more than you. I know you read and that's certainly a good idea too.
I share your frustration with the sometimes complete lack of grasp of even the most basic concepts, so I know where you're coming from. I've sometimes tried to gently point out that it would be good to know more than how to start and shut off the computer before you plow money into this. I just don't think it's fair to try to frighten people out of pursuing this dream. There's never been a time when home recording was more accessible than now and it keeps getting better.
Ted
I don't take any personal offense at you. Brag away if it makes you feel better. I really don't care. If I had your gear, I'd probably want to tell people too. As it is, I will pump the products I've got because I know them and like them.
The point is that this is a forum for people who are just starting. Suggesting to someone who wants to get started that he needs to spend a minimum of $7500.00 (your number) just for mics, mixer and recorder and intimating that it really should be more like $31,000 is not only not helping him, it's destructive.
Soundcard- several decent choices at $100.00
Mixer- Yamaha, Phonic, Behringer- not great, I know, but they will work
$80.00-$150.00
Mics- There are literally dozens of cheap, condensor and dynamic mics out of China that can be had for next to nothing and some of them are not terrible. Remember, he's just starting. $250.00
Speakers- Again, there are a lot of powered, not bad sounding near-field speakers out there right now. $200.00
Ok, that's around $700.00 new, less if he buys used equipment. He can definitely make recordings with this. Maybe not great ones, but it's a place to start.
Finally, maybe I'm actually reacting to how you come across not "reading in a lot of stuff" at all. I've seen you repeatedly tell people in this forum to forget about recording unless they study for a year, that admonition is usually coupled, as in this thread, with a list of hopelessly expensive gear they supposedly need. If I came in here, as a newbie, I'd react one of two ways- I'd either believe that I can't get into home recording unless I have a massive budget, or I'd come away thinking you were, and I'm trying my best to be nice here, less than helpful.
If someone has no knowledge and comes, not surprisingly, into a newbie forum, don't you think he's trying to GET that knowledge? How did you learn? Did you ask questions? I'll bet you did. You probably asked questions of anyone who you thought knew more than you. I know you read and that's certainly a good idea too.
I share your frustration with the sometimes complete lack of grasp of even the most basic concepts, so I know where you're coming from. I've sometimes tried to gently point out that it would be good to know more than how to start and shut off the computer before you plow money into this. I just don't think it's fair to try to frighten people out of pursuing this dream. There's never been a time when home recording was more accessible than now and it keeps getting better.
Ted
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manning1
Banned
ted. WOW ! - we agree !
in fact what worries me all the time is that many newbies over buy .
ive seen this time and again. and then frustration sets in because
they dont know how to use all the expanse of expensive gear they bought.
ive seen them then give up their dream. which is a shame.
i always tell newbies (using your 700 buck budget as an excellent example)
that a good audio engineer, this is all he needs to get good songs down.
plus the computer of course and software.ie; start off simple.
in fact what worries me all the time is that many newbies over buy .
ive seen this time and again. and then frustration sets in because
they dont know how to use all the expanse of expensive gear they bought.
ive seen them then give up their dream. which is a shame.
i always tell newbies (using your 700 buck budget as an excellent example)
that a good audio engineer, this is all he needs to get good songs down.
plus the computer of course and software.ie; start off simple.
Farview
Well-known member
Go to your windows mixer and hit 'mute all' and see if you don't notice some hiss or noise go away. It could be just me, but I have noticed this on several machines over several years on several platforms.manning1 said:
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Cloneboy Studio
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Hey I agree with you, but I'm a huge, huge believer in education/knowledge. Maybe it's just me, but I don't take a dump without doing serious research.
I've always been like that, and I've always managed to come out ahead because of it.
I dunno, maybe someone could just jump in and do okay but I think that's the exception and not the rule.
My personal equipment isn't really that awesome to tell you the truth. I have access to a lot of *good* equipment, but my setup won't be awesome until I get my SBA loan and open up my doors in 2005.
I've always been like that, and I've always managed to come out ahead because of it.
I dunno, maybe someone could just jump in and do okay but I think that's the exception and not the rule.
My personal equipment isn't really that awesome to tell you the truth. I have access to a lot of *good* equipment, but my setup won't be awesome until I get my SBA loan and open up my doors in 2005.
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chadsxe
New member
I agree with both of you. Education is always important. I always gain as much knowledge as I can before making any kind of purchase. Serious in my short time here how many times have I read "I just bought ...... and it’s not doing what I want it to". With that said we all still need to start somewhere. The best way to learn about recording is to record. Reading will only get you so far. You can't read things like “this equipment makes a SWahsaruuua sounds" and know what it sounds like. You have to try it and hear for yourself. Only then can you make an "educated" decision.
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tedluk
New member
I can't imagine that anyone is going to come out against education. Of course it's helpful to learn as much as possible. But like Chad said, at some point, you need to just start doing it. You can't learn to drive from reading a book. Eventually, you have to get behind the wheel. You're going to make mistakes at first. Hopefully, with the guidance you can get from forums such as this, they'll be minimized.
I guess it all comes down to budget. To me, spending several hundred dollars, while a lot of money, seems pretty tame. I mean, go without cable for 6 months. Lose the cell phone. Don't go to the movies twice! lol
If you don't have at least a few hundred dollars to put into gear, then you're not going to be able to join the party. But compared to what it cost even a few years ago to begin to approach this level, it's ridiculously cheap.
Ted
I guess it all comes down to budget. To me, spending several hundred dollars, while a lot of money, seems pretty tame. I mean, go without cable for 6 months. Lose the cell phone. Don't go to the movies twice! lol
If you don't have at least a few hundred dollars to put into gear, then you're not going to be able to join the party. But compared to what it cost even a few years ago to begin to approach this level, it's ridiculously cheap.
Ted
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Cloneboy Studio
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Honestly they don't need to know what X sounds like at first. It's more important to know what the heck X does, why do you need it, and what are some alternatives to X.
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chadsxe
New member
Ohh don't get me wrong knowing what X does before knowing how X sounds like is the right way to go about. Eventually they have to start expiremnting with X even if X does not cost $1,500.
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Ingoloid
New member
Just by reading the massive amounts of posts around here, I've broadened my knowledge base already. But to be fair, isn't that what this newbie group is all about?
I'll use myself as a guinea pig. Living in Germany, there's no such thing as pawn shops that i'm aware of. There's only 2 decent music shops in town, both cater to high end equipment. Many mail order companies balk at sending stuff overseas due to shipping costs.
So, what I have right now, I have to make due with. It's not the geatest stuff, I know, but I have been able to record.
After reading lots of info on the site, I took the plunge and invested in Acid Pro. I got a good deal for being over here. Put down a few tracks, cleaned it up, mixed it a bit and burned it to CD. It wasn't the best sounding thing I've ever heard, but listening to it on the ride to work, I could begin to tell what I needed to do to make it sound better.
Drove a friend home one day, and he heard the music playing, turned it up and asked me who it was. He couldn't believe it was me? This in itself made my day!!
My next investment is going to be a quality audio board, and by reading about the types out there, I think I've made up my mind.
I'll use myself as a guinea pig. Living in Germany, there's no such thing as pawn shops that i'm aware of. There's only 2 decent music shops in town, both cater to high end equipment. Many mail order companies balk at sending stuff overseas due to shipping costs.
So, what I have right now, I have to make due with. It's not the geatest stuff, I know, but I have been able to record.
After reading lots of info on the site, I took the plunge and invested in Acid Pro. I got a good deal for being over here. Put down a few tracks, cleaned it up, mixed it a bit and burned it to CD. It wasn't the best sounding thing I've ever heard, but listening to it on the ride to work, I could begin to tell what I needed to do to make it sound better.
Drove a friend home one day, and he heard the music playing, turned it up and asked me who it was. He couldn't believe it was me? This in itself made my day!!
My next investment is going to be a quality audio board, and by reading about the types out there, I think I've made up my mind.