Just got my CD back from Mastering...need some thoughts OK!!

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Hey guys,

I just picked up the first test pressing from the mastering engineer. Could you guys let me know what you think? The mastering engineer said to listen to it for a few days and make note of any changes. I have a couple in mind of my own but I thought I'd get some outside opinions. I can't post all the songs due to space limitations, but there's a few at this website:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/sittinidolmusic.htm

hmmm, it might be informative for some people if I post unmastered versions too hey?

Cheers
Rick
 
Yeah I think posting the pre-mastered and the mastered will get you feed back. All we can do now is compliment if it sounds good, but we still dont know if it was improved.

I'll give it a listen anyway to see what the ME did.

Peace~
 
Secondly evaluating an MP3 is somewhat difficult due to the compression it underwent. And soundclick doesnt suppoort CD quality MP3's, I could be wrong about that but I think they only support MP3's with up to 160Kbps (16bit@44k).
 
Hah I like it a lot, sounds A LOT like ALice in Chains. The separation is really distinctive, I feel like I'd like to hear everything fit together nicer, but it still sounds really good.

I thought soundclick only supported 128kbps

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ad0lescnts said:
I thought soundclick only supported 128kbps

You might be right, I remember giving a 160Kbps file to someone for a soundclick page.

Anyway I did listen to the track Sittin and it does sound a bit alice in chains like, (good thing). Would like to hear the pre-master though.
 
Reminds me of Metalica the first song. The first song master might be a bit boomy in the low end. Sounds good apart from that though.
 
Thanks for the thoughts so far guys, still workin on getting the premasters up...
 
Interesting. Lemme' ask this? Do you like them better? The reason I ask is because "whole lotta' nothing" almost sounds like it was kinda' overdone with the old L2. It's like the drums lost some punch somewhere. Your original mixes (the ones I heard anyway) didn't have that problem.
 
Hey Chris. Thanks for your thoughts and obviously good memory. I actually agree with you on that song, especially in the faster parts it's sounding kind of over-limited. I just put up the unmastered version of that song for comparison; pretty drastic volume difference but if you equalize the volumes it's pretty easy to notice the difference. I guess the answer there is less volume, plain and simple right?

Thanks for your help - I'm gonna put up before and after versions of a few more songs for you guys...
I wish there was a better quality compression though, mp3s SUCK!
 
Boy sounds great. Vox and guitars have much more distinction, and the whole mix is much more powerful. Nice job to you and your mastering engineer.

One thing is that the Left channel seems to be dominating the right one. Not sure if it's my listening environment, MP3 conversion or what.
 
hmmm. I'm not noticing that. Which song did you listen to?

Thanks for the compliments!
 
SittinIdol said:
I guess the answer there is less volume, plain and simple right?
Yeah, I noticed it on the faster parts. It's kind of a tradeoff, I guess...b/c I do like some things he did, but you had really good mixes to start with, and it's just a shame that there should be ANY tradeoff. Hey, for what it's worth, Audioslave's last album sold about a billion copies or something and the drums were distorted on just about every tune, lol.

SittinIdol said:
mp3s SUCK!
yeah...if you want a pretty close comparison, encode them at 320...it takes just about all of the mp3 out of the equation, lol...big files, though...but I really can't hear the difference. I'm starting to appreciate a newerish lossless format from "Monkey Audio," I think...not sure, but the file extension is ".ape" - Larger than mp3 files, but a lot smaller than wave files. They work great for internet collaborations, but not many players recognize them...yet.

You can make the files and decode them to waves (or mp3's or whatever) with this, the coolest file converter program I've found. http://www.dbpoweramp.com - download the 2nd link on that page.

Ok, enough from me. Nice work...
 
chrisharris said:
Yeah, I noticed it on the faster parts. It's kind of a tradeoff, I guess...b/c I do like some things he did, but you had really good mixes to start with, and it's just a shame that there should be ANY tradeoff. Hey, for what it's worth, Audioslave's last album sold about a billion copies or something and the drums were distorted on just about every tune, lol.

Yeah, I have noticed that on the Audioslave album. To be honest, I can't notice any negative effects when listening anywhere else but on my monitors/headphones. ie. Home stereos, car stereos all sound fine, which is what is important I guess hey!


chrisharris said:
yeah...if you want a pretty close comparison, encode them at 320...it takes just about all of the mp3 out of the equation, lol...big files, though...but I really can't hear the difference. I'm starting to appreciate a newerish lossless format from "Monkey Audio," I think...not sure, but the file extension is ".ape" - Larger than mp3 files, but a lot smaller than wave files. They work great for internet collaborations, but not many players recognize them...yet.

You can make the files and decode them to waves (or mp3's or whatever) with this, the coolest file converter program I've found. http://www.dbpoweramp.com - download the 2nd link on that page.

Ok, enough from me. Nice work...
Sweet, I'll check it out
Thanks again
Rick
 
Just added "Homestead" and "Stray," curious what you guys think of those...
 
can't really offer any educated opinion. Some killer tunes there. The mastered stuff sounds damn good, very crisp.
 
Listening to Homestead right now. Not really noticing too much of a similarity to Alice in Chains, maybe a bit more of Soundgarden feel to me than Alice.

Like that groovy riff at 1:15, sounds like a fun one to play perhaps I'll get on workin that out.

Good idea to post both a mastered and unmastered version, i'd say next time choose a specific song and you can get better response than just offering an entire album.

Polished writing and performance, man I like the changes that have gone through the clinic, someone has been ramping up the quality.

That announcer at the end quote "another band that came from Canada... Calgary Canada" Haha Cowboy up quote is funny! Good marketing there.


Checking out Stray, that's an excellent buildup from :50 onward. Very distinct sound/riff, enjoying this one more than the previous cut.
 
Khompewtur said:
That announcer at the end quote "another band that came from Canada... Calgary Canada" Haha Cowboy up quote is funny! Good marketing there.
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Hey thanks man,
that radio clip is actually a couple radio DJs from Amarillo, Texas. We were on tour with Damageplan and Drowning Pool and before what you hear on the song, he says "Tonight we have Damageplan, Drowning Pool...and uhhhhh another band" and he can't remember our name..HAHA IT's fuckin hilarious.

Anyways, if you want to read the (crazy) story of that tour:

"Knockin' On Heaven's Door "
by Jonathan Stoddart
photography by Patricio Del Rio



Calgary's Sittin Idol is a four-piece power band that has been holding it down on the local scene for some time now. Their fans love them for their powerful guitars, intense song writing and adrenaline rush stage show. Short on frills, the band relies on a great combination of metal crunch and power harmony.
In fact, it is fair to say that Sittin Idol is a no bullshit band. But how did Sittin Idol turn a one-time off show at Mac Hall into an American tour with Damage Plan and Drowning Pool? I decided to go to a rodeo ground and get the story straight from the Sittin horse's mouth.





I'm hanging out in Benalta, AB at the third annual Alberta's Own Independent Music Festival. As the punishing sun allows some evening reprieve, Sittin Idol (SI) prepares to headline the main stage. Year by year they have raised their profile to get to this point. Today they are one of the big fish, in a talented yet small pond. A drunken partier walks by, offering magic mushrooms to the band. Focused on the task at hand, they decline. The combination of a loosely adhered to schedule and a strictly enforced noise bi-law would mean that their set would be cut short, at only 15 minutes. For those in attendance, however, it was a manic quarter hour to say the least. SI have an extra spring in their step right now. They are still riding high from their recently completed American tour, in which they opened up for Drowning Pool and Damage Plan, featuring former Pantera guitar/drum combo Dimebag Darryl and Vin Paul.

For independent bands, who work relentlessly for little or no glory, the
story is as inspiring as it is unlikely. SI drummer Stu is a huge
Pantera fan, so when he got word that they had called it quits he was
understandably disappointed. His spirits lifted, however, when he learned that Damage Plan, the new project of Dimebag and Vin Paul, would be playing a show at Calgary's Mac Hall. He became even more excited when Greg Curtis, the promoter of the concert selected SI to open the show.

SI bass player Mark Fassina explains, they owe their placement on the bill to some good luck.

"(Greg Curtis) was looking for opportune bands for this show. I happened to drop off a press kit on the same day. It was total coincidence that we got the show, and we were like ... this is the biggest thing to ever happen to us."

When Mark got word of the good news, he had the enjoyable task of informing his band mates.

"Greg called me back and said, 'yeah, you guys get the show, if you guys want to play it.' Like fuckin A! I didn't even think about asking everybody if their schedules were open, of course we'll play it. Then I gave Rick the responsibility of calling Stu. I wish that I could have heard that phone conversation."

SI were fresh off a string of bad luck, and front man Scott Lennox couldn't believe their good fortune, "We've had a lot of shows cancelled on us lately. Then all of a sudden this comes along and you can't help thinking, what's going to go wrong," he recalls.

However, when Damage Plan's guitar tech noticed SI axe man Rick Hatch's rare '71 Les Paul Recording guitar, things started to go right.

"The sound tech for Damage Plan sees it, and says 'WOW that's a weird guitar' and goes back and tells Dimebag about it."

Without getting the opportunity to meet Damage Plan, SI take the stage and nail out some of their blazing material, preparing the crowd for what was to come. Midway through the set, low and behold, the drummer who pounded away on such Pantera classics as 'Respect' came out to show a little respect of his own.

"We'd never even seen those guys, because they were hidden away in their dressing room," explains Scott, "and we're playing our set, one of our favorite songs, the Current, this wicked drum part, Vinnie Paul comes out on the stage, and starts going 'fuckin yeah', giving Stu the mad horns." This predictably sent the crowd through the roof, not to mention SI.

"I'm glad I didn't see it," admits Stu, "I would have passed out."

After the show, Dimebag Darryl, like a Mafioso king pin, sent a messenger to summon Rick. It would seem that the Damage Plan axe player had his eye on Rick's pride and joy, his '71 Les Paul. That's when Scott had the million dollar idea.

"I said Rick, just tell him that if he takes us on tour, we'll give him the guitar," he suggested.

The tour had seven dates left, and the drinking Dimebag thought it was a great idea. The tour manager, however, who had to deal with the logistics of adding another band to a completely scheduled tour, was less enthusiastic.

"He was grumbling about it, and said, we probably wouldn't make it across the border. Eventually he assumed that we wouldn't make it, and said, alright you guys can play if you show up in Spokane on Friday."

Only problem was, it was already late Wednesday night. The members of SI, like most independent musicians, each had to deal with a little thing called a day job, not to mention a van that was in dire need of some serious work. Wanting desperately to take advantage of this opportunity, the guys would first have to consider the obstacles standing in their way. Like any Canuck hoping to work in the U.S., a Canadian band must complete certain paperwork before touring south of the border. Red tape being what it is, this was simply not possible in 48 hours. On top of this, they had no official invitation to join the tour. It is not uncommon in the music industry for deals and agreements to spring from post show drunk-talk, but the band didn't want to take any chances.

"We tried to confirm it, but you know the business ... you hear people say 'yeah, be there, do it,' but you want that written confirmation," explains Mark. "If I'm gonna drive twelve hours to Spokane, risk my ass at the border, and show up, you're not gonna stiff me, right?"

They were basically riding on a wing and a prayer. "The one confirmation we had ... Dimebag wrote his cell phone number on Rick's hand. We're like, we'll just call Dimebag and the whole thing was riding on that."

Rock n roll requires balls (note to girl bands: I mean metaphorically, not literally), and SI would have to check theirs. The following day, the band met for a team meeting, and in the end it was decided, SI would go for it.

Scott's emotions summed up those of the whole band, "We're like Fuck it man, I can't not go and not know what would've happened."

Stu and Scott would report to work as normal on Friday, while Rick and Mark would take the team van south, to sure up the situation. Stu and Scott would remain in Calgary, waiting for the green light, and then fly down to the U.S. when given the go ahead.

"The biggest obstacle was getting the band's equipment across the border," explains Scott, "We decided to tell them that we were going down there to record an album, and with two guys in the van, it was a viable story. We even called the border crossing and asked them if it would be cool to go spend money as a band instead of make money."

As Mark recalls, the border official bought the story, and the pair had made it to the U.S.

"She said, 'you guys aren't going down there to play shows and make any money?' We said, no ... and that wasn't entirely a lie, because we weren't making any money."

Next stop, Spokane, Washington ... the site of Damage Plan's Friday night concert. By the time that Rick and Mark found the venue, the show was all but over. Nonetheless they would have to buy tickets in order to be admitted into the venue.

"We go inside and grab the guitar tech, he was blown away by it," recalls Mark. "But the second we saw. the tour manager, he couldn't fuckin believe it. The look on his face was like 'Oh My God, you guys are stupid. Why are you here?' He's like, 'you're giving up your prize possession, basically quitting your jobs, just to come and fucking play these shows, it means that much to you?' And we're not getting paid fuck all. And it does mean that much to us."

The Saturday show would be in Boise, Idaho, and there was no time to spare. The marathon driving continued, as Mark and Rick rolled down the highway, stopping frequently to sweet talk a van they feared would die on them at any moment.

Says Mark, "Every 100 km we had to stop, undo the radiator cap and top it up."

Meanwhile, back in Calgary, Scott is rolling out of bed, preparing for a day on the job, when he got the phone call.

"Saturday morning, I'm thinking I'm gonna go to work," he recalls, "they call me and confirm. I got out of bed, got my flight and called Stu. I go into work, went up to my boss, who knew nothing about any of this and said look, here's the deal."

Predictably, his boss was less than impressed.

"I run the construction company, and I had all new employees, everything was just up and going, and he's like 'what the fuck?' After I got back, none of the employees I had hired were still there, the company was in shambles. They quit. It was a disaster, that's why it was so hard for me to leave. But ..." he says nonchalantly, "... fuck it."

Since SI would not be paid to play, they hoped to recoup some of
their expenses through CD sales. In a daring move, Scott smuggled some discs into the U.S. and managed to evade authority.

"I filled the whole suitcase," he confesses.

Stu, who would fly in several hours later on another flight, was basically sacrificing a work term he had begun at NAIT in order to take the tour. The two landed in Boise, and the band had their first meeting, about 45 minutes before go time.

"The Boise show was OK," recalls Rick.

But, as Mark remembers, it was, "A little on the rough side, we were a little tired."

With no time to rest, the reunited band left Boise and proceeded to Salt Lake City, where they would play the following night. This would be followed by dates in Denver, Colorado, Albuquerque, New Mexico, and finally a pair of Texas dates, in Amarillo and Lubbock.

Now that SI was in the U.S. and playing shows, they just assumed that
the hard part was over. A rude awakening came, however, in Denver Colorado, in the form of a seriously FUBARed transmission.

"In Denver we started hearing a weird noise coming from the van," recalls Rick with a smile, "it was our only day off on the whole tour. Our
transmission was fucked, it cost $1500 US. We all split it."

For a touring band, the van is not only a means of getting from point A to point B, but also a home base.

Scott summarizes the financial reality of the situation, "The night in
Denver we decided to sleep in a hotel, the next day it breaks down, and I asked the guy if we could go in his shop and sleep in the van, because it's breaking our asses money wise. He said no, so we had to sleep in a hotel twice in Denver and that was the only time we got to sleep in a hotel."

The next day the guys got their van back and made their way to
Albuquerque, New Mexico, just in time for the show. The band was very well received by American rock fans, and they recall each show very fondly.

It was in Damage Plan's home state of Texas, however, where they received the best welcome. Prior to the show, Damage Plan and
Drowning Pool did a high profile radio spot, promoting the show, and paid homage to the crazy Canucks. The radio plug succeeded in hyping the band, who were then treated like rock royalty by the Texas fans.

"It was all kids," recalls Rick. "As soon as the doors opened, the kids were just running from the door to the stage and going crazy. We only played for 15 minutes ... and after the show was over we sold 60 CDs to these kids. We were signing autographs for half an hour!"

SI are certainly not rookies to the scene, and have many shows
under their belts. However, touring with Damage Plan opened their eyes to a few of the disparities between major U.S. commercial tours, and the old BC/Alberta ski town circuit.

Mark recounts some of the things that struck them as they toured with
big-time rock stars ...

"Damage Plan goes up and plays their show, when they're done they drink a whole bunch of whiskey, they get in their bus, drink a whole bunch more whiskey, and then fall asleep while their driver takes
them to the next venue."

Things for SI were a bit different ...

"We drink with them because we want to party, get in the circuit. Then at 2 o'clock in the morning, we got to sleep our asses off until 5 or 6 and then get up and drive to the next venue because we don't want to be late."

Scott adds, "Basically we're sleeping in our van in parking lots and back alleys by the venue."

All good things, however, come to an end, and after the last show, there was some partying, and then it was time to head back to Canada.

As Mark remembers, "We were in the dressing room, they finally brought us back, and they said 'This is it, you're giving the guitar to Dimebag.' They brought us in the room and closed the door, we had a big fuckin festival, everybody was drinking rye shots."

Dimebag promised to send a new guitar to Rick, but as of the time of this interview, it had not arrived. Meanwhile, Vin Paul gave Stu some free gear on the spot. "He said 'you're a rippin drummer, but those
cymbals fuckin suck.'" Stu recalls, "He said go raid my case. He set me up with a drum tech, and said go take what you want."

Lady Luck still refused to look favourably on the group's van. Even in the end, a random act of vandalism saw the SI van with a busted window.

The guys from SI have returned to Canada, back to work at their real jobs now, but the always ambitious band is revitalized, and considering another U.S. tour. They are fully aware, however, that going it alone will not be quite as easy.

"We jumped on a thing that was already organized," reasons Scott. "If we do it ourselves, it's gonna take a pile of work."

Still, with fans from the tour still visiting SittinIdol.com to offer positive feedback, and several U.S. radio stations spinning their disc, it may not be a bad idea. And given their work ethic, one would be wise not to bet against it.

~Jonathan Stoddart
 
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I listened to the master of Homestead and didn't like it. Then I turned it up about 30dB and listened again. Killer!! I love the guitars - they don't tread the self-parodying path of metal guitar sounds ... a little different in places but not boxed in like a lot of metal.
 
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