Is this a good mixing/mastering job?

[six]

That's a question to our big ones (like blue bear and so on) but of course everyone who knows this album can share their opinions about the _sound_ (rather than the songs) of this CD.

I'm talking about "Native Tongue" by Poison (1993, old, I know). I think Poison is somehow famous for sh*tty mixing/mastering but this is really different and my favorite album when it comes to mixes.

Everytime I hear a song of that album I'm impressed how deep and wide and everything it sounds.

So is it as brilliant as I think or am I just plain wrong? (I have to know if this sound is worth striving for ).


cheers mates

six

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

The last band I'd ever expect to be praised for audio engineering. To each their own I guess.

 

[six]

"I think Poison is somehow famous for sh*tty mixing/mastering but..."

Do you know the album? Man, there's just too many "I read 3 words and know what it's all about"-guys in ALL internet-forums.

"Can you tell me something about this Honda?"
"Honda sucks."
"Ever driven one."
"No."

Cloneboy, I really DID mean to get honest answers but let me tell you: the album I'm talking about is quite different from all the other Poison-albums, songwriting- and mix-wise.

I do think you don't know the album and you probably only read every 3rd word of my post.

If this is not true, sorry. Then I'm gonna wash my ears now and listen to the album again, knowing - but not hearing - that the audio engineering sucks.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I can't comment... I honestly have never heard an album by Poison. If it's anything like Metallica's St.Anger, then it's bad - real bad.....!

 

[six]

no, it's nothing like st. anger, .

in case you'll ever decide to listen to one of their albums: don't choose "hollyweird".

thanks for your answer anyway.

 

[invisiblenemies]

Unfortunately, I can comment.

Poison has never been one of my favorite bands. In fact, they may be closer to the bottom on my list. Maybe ahead of that goddamn 'Mambo #5' guy.

Maybe.

For some reason though, I always listened to their albums when they came out hoping that they vastly improved. They really didn't.

Nonetheless, "Native Tongue" is the best Poison album as far as mixing is concerned. You are right. If this is the sound you want, go for it...I guess.

 

[six]

Mambo No. 5 was played in the States? Jesus. That's sad. I thought this was some crap that made it only into the charts in german speaking Europe.

 

[chessrock]

I apologize for being off-topic, here, and for not addressing your question.

But I just have to say that Poison probably rank right up there amongst the worst and most embarrassing music acts in the history of the modern-day rock music genre.

I can think of maybe 100 great examples of production / mixing by various artists. My natural inclination would be to steer you more in the general direction of artists that don't suck . . . as being a more logical benchmark.

But to each his own, I guess.

 

[bigwillz24]

I don't know I no huge Rock Fan but i did like the song that went "pour some sugar on me" of course I still have no clu as to what they where talking about

 

[TexRoadkill]

I don't know I no huge Rock Fan but i did like the song that went "pour some sugar on me" of course I still have no clu as to what they where talking about

That's Def Leppard produced by Mutt Lange off one of the most succesfull hard rock albums ever. Pretty much the antithesis of Poison

 

[sile2001]

Mambo No. 5 was played in the States? Jesus. That's sad. I thought this was some crap that made it only into the charts in german speaking Europe.

Unfortunately, yes. And it spent a rather disproportionate amount of time in the top 40. Sad times for musicians with any REAL talent and REAL taste...

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

"Cloneboy, I really DID mean to get honest answers but let me tell you: the album I'm talking about is quite different from all the other Poison-albums, songwriting- and mix-wise.

I do think you don't know the album and you probably only read every 3rd word of my post.

Oh you mean the one with Richie Kotzen on it? Where they basically hired a well-known "shredder" to try to prove what great musicians they were? The album that pretty much flopped because there was too much real rock popular in 1993? Thankfully it was better than "Adrenalized" though.

Yeah, you were probably 10 when it came out, I was in my 20's. I remember it.

One thing you need to learn right now: what sounds "good" is entirely subjective. I happen to think that Rapeman's "Two Nuns and a Pack Mule" is a high point in indie rock production. You probably wouldn't dig it. On the other hand, while I hate the album, Def Leppard's "Hysteria" is one of the best (almost overproduced) sounding albums ever. I can do without Metallica's "Black Album", but I like the guitar tones on "Ride the Lightning" and the drums on "Master of Puppets". I still think Dave Lombardo got some of the best drum sounds on "South of Heaven".

If you want to reproduce that style you need to snag an old Ibanez RG series, crank the ADA MP-1, load up on drum triggers and overproduce until Beau Hill says it sounds full.

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

So is it as brilliant as I think or am I just plain wrong? (I have to know if this sound is worth striving for ).

Dude... you have a problem with your self-confidence. If you like it--SCREW EVERYONE ELSE THAT TELLS YOU DIFFERENT! If you like the sound then it IS worth striving for, even if every indie modern art 'synth music is better than guitar music' mook like myself comes out of the woodwork to explain in great detail how absolutely gay Poison is no matter what they do.

Have some faith in your ideas man.

 

[six]

no, cloneboy, I was not 10, I wasn't even born. I was born in 1998 you know.

your statement about MY age and your whole last post about poison being gay and stuff show that you can't be objectiv because you hate poison.

to hate poison is fine with me but the rest... I wouldn't mention my age if I was you, really.

do I have problems with my self-confidence? this is not MY stuff we're talking about. maybe you get problems with your self-confidence if someone talks bad about one of the bands you like but I'm not in that age anymore .

anyway. you wrote that much and didn't even tell me why the audio engineering sucks. so maybe you have to ask yourself what the heck you taught me and why.

cheers

six

 

[six]

ah, one last question to you: "that pretty much flopped because there was too much real rock around in 1993"

was there? I always thought that was the time when grunge grew big.

 

[invisiblenemies]

what the hell is going on?

 

[cavedog101]

All the young dudes chill.....the original posters' question is unanswerable...theres no way for anyone not associated with the sessions to know whether or not they did a good job in the mixing and mastering....theres no point of reference.It becomes a mudpie exchange at that point about whether 'poison' is worthy of listening....I would say its not the production that draws ANYONE to listen to their rehashed and at the time slightly tired shtick..as for time frame, yeah, grunge was starting to surge and the huge rock bighaired dramaqueen stuff was starting to fade....STILL...most of the biggies from that era are making some cash with the retrospective tours while the core group of grunge has moved on to owning hotel chains and recording studios....or they're deaD....as for the abilities of 'mutt' to make records you can only dream of running tea and sugar for him...the whole point of a producer is to create their vision and theres not been one record hes been involved in that has not done that...like it or no, you cannot fault him for carrying out his vision and doing it successfully...a LOT of techniques in achieving sound to be learned there....

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

Dude, you're hopeless.

 

[six]

as you, dude.

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

as you, dude.

AS YOU PLUS ONE!