Is shred coming back??!!

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Is shred on the way back in again?

  • Yes, and I can't wait!

    Votes: 20 26.7%

  • No, thank goodness.

    Votes: 18 24.0%

  • Yes, but it's still a long ways off.

    Votes: 18 24.0%

  • No, and it never, ever will.

    Votes: 19 25.3%
  • Total voters
    75
Aaron Cheney

Aaron Cheney

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Real guitar playing is coming back... I can feel it. The grunge/ anti-virtuoso thing has about run it's course, I think. It was sort of a backlash to all the great guitar players of the '80's. Now you have a new generation of guitar players that cut their teeth on '90's music and are looking for something more.
Now is the time for all us '80's guitarists to start giving private lessons to the young guys looking to learn seious guitar. Now is our glory... now is our triumph......this is the moment of our ultimate POWER......


MOOO- HOOO- HOOO- HAAAA- HAAAA- HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!


What do you think?

Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
Shred is big time comin back, and I like shred, but threard with good selection of notes/feel.

I need more shred influences =) its just me, Petrucci (somewhat), www.guitarwar.com, Malmsteen, Gilbert, and my death metal bands.

whoopdydoo.

MORE SHRED BUT BETTER SHRED!
 
Not sure if I like the word shred. Isn't shred more about speed solo. But I'm with you bro. And christiaan, I think we all like just a nice song too but musicianship can lift any song.
I think these days too much enfasis is on the song. And in the film biz too much on the story. People just want to be entertained. And just a good song or just a good story is falling short of entertainment. If I want a good story I'll read a book. If I go to the movies I want to be entertained. And that can be done brilliantly with no story at all even. But the critics will bag it because it doesnt have a good fuck'n story. I place the word ENTERTAINMENT well above the words STORY or SONG. Sure a good song can lay down a good base for musicians like brian may (fuck'n brilliant guitarist) to add his color, but a lot of people went to Queen concerts to here Brian play!
I think a lot of people relate the 80's glam rock with guitar solo's and thats where guitar solo's got there bad reputation. Guitarists like Kirt Kobain went totally the other way, and took a lot of people with him in that vibe. And Kirt was a great songwriter but he bagged the guitar solo too much.
I also hate what the music industry has done in general. Record companies and producers don't really give a fuck about good musicians any more. This is the era that favours less musicianship. Theres too much song and dance. They focus more on image. Because thats what they think sells records. And in the process they've turned the music industry into a fuck'n dance industry for fuck sake. To me, dancing is like golf. Fun to do it but booring to watch. Damn, now you've got me started.

Scott Tansley
www.feel-rock.com
 
Scott, well said.

I do enjoy great musicianship. Nice example too, Brian May. I've been a huge Queen fan since my early teens.

It's just those typical 100 notes per second Formula 1 guitarmonsters that don't make my hipps shake. Hell, guitarplayers should know their place in a band!

(a bassplayer's testimonial) ;)
 
Webster's defines shred as...

Yeah, I know the term "shred" is kind of ambiguous. I just used the word 'cause I knew it would stir up some kind of a reaction for most people.
What I really meant is: for a long time the trend has been "simplify, simplify, simplify", and "guitar solos are for spandex wearin', crotch stuffin', hair sprayin', ego-centric spotlight-hogs". Now I think a lot of younger guitarists are starting to look for more complex music, and particularly more complex guitar parts. They've mastered all the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" songs they can get there hands on, and they want something more challenging.

At least that's the sense I get.

As far as "learning one's place in a band", I couldn't agree more! Nothing is more boring than watching a band full of one-man-shows all vying for the spotlight. (It's almost as bad as pro basketball!!) Conversely, nothing's as great as watching a tight, booty shakin' band full of great musicians all doing their part.

There were a lot of shredders that I just never dug, including Billy Sheehan and other bassiste who refused to lay down a groove.

Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
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Re: Webster's defines shred as...

Aaron Cheney said:


There were a lot of shredders that I just never dug, including Billy Sheehan and other bassiste who refused to lay down a groove.
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Hear hear! :)
 
Man I loved shred, but I don't know if shred per se is coming back. Shred glorified playing faster and cooler new techniques than the previous shredder. I don't know how much faster notes can be played without them turning into an audible mush. :p

That being said, I hope tasteful technique-laden solos and musicianship make a comeback. Music trends always seem to oppose the previous trend. Thus, technique should be returning to oppose the minimalist sloppiness of grunge. ;)
 
I, for one, will be happy to hear the current (and already quite old) gutiar mush sound go away. Some nice articulate playing will be good for a change, but I'm not too eager to hear blistering note salad, either. :)

Oh lord! No more scalloped fret boards! Ack! Can the string skipping harmonic minor 128th note arpeggios! And we DON'T need another classical masterpiece redone in distorted chug guitar, klicky double kick thunder, tinny bass played with a heavy pick, and grossly salted with virtuoso guitar god ego scales played in synchopated 7 part harmony.

Sorry. I hope that doesn't come back. :D
Chris
 
I never liked "Shred"..But I always liked things like Al DeMeola's Elegant Gypsy etc,Allan Holdsworth's work with U.K...Lots of notes but the music was more dynamic and complex..There is a energy to their playin'..The shred cats just seemed to be wankin' off..The thing that killed it for me was the lack of tone and composition..

Don
 
I will never forget those early years, just before the hairspray, spandex, wankeroo and stupidity, when bands like Metallica, Maiden and Anthrax were just playing the shit out of their instruments in street clothes. I find nothing over the top in those early albums because the shred was well written and mostly embedded in the rhythm playing.

That's the kind of stuff I'd like to see make a comeback.. Shred in just the right places with a singer that neither sings too high nor too vomitrocious. And it wouldn't hurt if they could give me back my Headbanger's Ball.

But alas, trends don't usually go my way.. or if they do, I can only enjoy it for a few months until everyone thinks it's cool and then things get too excessive.. leaving nothing but industry sound-alikes of the most limp-wristed lameness..
 
Surfing with the alien is cool and I like Joe's Boogie. But, I've always thought that guitar shred stuff is monotonous. I've got all of Satch's CDs and they all sound the same.

Buddy Guy would blow Satch off the stage and Buddy wouldn't even have to plug his guitar in!
 
Yeah, I think I could do without the Vai, Van halen, Satriani cock rock. What would be great though is to see some talent back in the workplace. Zepplin had talent, Average White Band had talent, Louis Armstrong had talent, Rage had talent, James Taylor had talent, etc, etc,
What would make a resurgance of Talent in the industry even better though would be to see it come from a direction that nobody saw coming. Something new. Original. Ive heard all the rock and roll is dead, nothings original crap before, but thats all doomsday pessimism. Im sure people were saying the same thing about classical music, and they are still making new and inventive classical pieces today, hundreds of years later. I dont weant to see shred come back. I dont want grunge, or rockabilly, big band or blues, or any of that to come back, because they all have a great place in history and in my music collection. I love them all, but to see a bunch of people try to reinvent an era that they are not in is just that. Music is reflective of what people of the day/age/location feel. want. need. Well just have to wait and see and hope that some talented fuckers get enough attention and a chance to speak to a generation.
god bless.
Todd
 
Well put. Piano was were it was at for a long time. Guitar was the most popular instrument of the last century, thanks to electricity. Things change. It will be interesting to see what's next. Will the digital age bring us something completley new? Has it already?

I agree w/ Henri Devill. Some of DiMolea's stuff is just mindblowing, yet oh so musical. Mediterranean Sundance remains one of my all time fav's. I would love to see that type of playing come to the forfront again.

And, contrary to popular mythology, there were some great '80's guitarists in that period between the brilliance of Van Halen 1 and the wretched excess of player like Michelangelo and Paul Gilbert. (I'm speaking stylistically, not chronoligically.) Players like Eric Johnson, SRV, YJM, who were technically great, but also were original and thoughtful in their approach.

I would love to see more players with the timing and taste of EVH, or the great note choices of Satriani. I DON'T want music to become so guitar solo-centric again though. That would be all frosting and no cake.

Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
hERE, another Shredmaster...

Duh, hence the name Speeddemon. Wll, I DO have to admit that I clearly distinct two kinds of shredders:
-The ones with 'balls': dirty tones, more bluesy, their solo's are much more 'into' the song
-The ones without 'balls':these guys/girls(?) live for technique and virtuosity. They crave on 100.000 notes per second. They don't care about if the solo is cool, they only care about high-speed techniques.

The first group would include: Eddie Van Halen, Richie Sambora, (Slash), and the guitarists of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. And maybe Yngwie.

The second group contains more guys like Petrucci, Vai, Satriani etc.
Ofcourse there are a lot more good/great guitarists out there, but this short list was only to clearify my 2 groups.

I hope the 1st group (the bluesy balls-types) will grow larger. They are more about guitar-playing, the other ones are more about showing off. Don't get me wrong, I like Dream Theater from time to time, but hell, when I put on B J's Slippery When Wet, man, Sambora just ROCKS!
 
One thing I always remembered about most players that didn't like shred is that they didn't have the dedication to practice to get good technique. They would just rationalize their sloppiness by calling their technique "blues" or whatever. Kind of a "sour grapes" mentality.

There are good and bad players in all styles of music. Some shred players are tasteful, some are wankers.

BTW, I love Michael Angelo's style. That Holland album rocked.
Greg Howe was another great shredder.

Those that can, shred. Those that can't, criticize.
 
and this whole time I thought It was just that I didnt like the style of music.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I geuss I should start critisizing jazz as well
cause I cant play that either.
Todd
 
Yeah, and Bach sucks too. Prehistoric music, at least like 30 years old 'n stuff. Worse: It doesn't have any guitars in it at all!



(J.S. Bach = god)
 
What would be great though is to see some talent back in the workplace.
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If talent makes a comeback, I'm fucked! :D

Regardless, I played in a band for about 3 years with a shredding guitarist back in the day - during the 90's he shed his shred and learned how to play with soul. IMO he's a much better musician now.
 
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