Chris Shaeffer
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Gidge said:
Hate to be slightly off topic, but....
Gidge, where can you get an RNC for $150? I was just thinking of picking one up. They're $190 direct from FMR.
Thanks,
Chris
Is it possible to get perfect recording with a MIC and souncard...???
Hate to be slightly off topic, but....
Gidge, where can you get an RNC for $150? I was just thinking of picking one up. They're $190 direct from FMR.
Thanks,
Chris
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j
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what the heck is a topic anyway? sorry, been reading too much Derrida 
actually, i've been wanting to try out the RNC....$150 ? yes, where?
actually, i've been wanting to try out the RNC....$150 ? yes, where?
Blue Bear Sound
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They go for $175 at Mercenary......
$150 is a pretty good price!
And did someone actually recommend an Alesis 3630 comp in this thread???? Yikes! Forget Alesis comps. Period.
Bruce
$150 is a pretty good price!
And did someone actually recommend an Alesis 3630 comp in this thread???? Yikes! Forget Alesis comps. Period.
Bruce
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PRiZ
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thankssssssssss!
Czar..."however for your kind of music i would NOT use 1 mic only. i would use a condenser for vocals and a dynamic for ad libs,back ground vocals and some hooks. run them both through mic algorithims or something like that. thats ME. you do what you want because you know what you want."
I know what I want, but I don't know what I need to get what I want. Please, tell me why you would not use one MIC, I'm planning on using a condenser for my vocals, but a dynamic for the other stuff...? does this add to an effect or give the different vocals more contrast or what I'd like to hear, sounds interesting.
What are "ad libs"...? is that when you place vocals over parts of vocals for effect...?
This also costs more, if I do this I'll get that dynamic later on after I've got everything. All I know is condenser uses Phantom power, what's the real difference while where at this topic.
"run them both through mic algorithims or something like that."
What is a an algorithims, what's it do, run both of what...?
"do you feel comfortable mixing on a computer? where are your sounds coming from? REASON or some other software or are you using a keyboard?"
I don't see why I wouldn't feel confortable using a mixer, since I've never used external. My sounds will be a mozaic from Reason and what ever other software I might end up using, plus probably a keyboard aswell...is this a problem?
last of all, Is the compressor worth getting, I feel that it would be better than any program since it seems to be rated high, and what exactly will I do with it besides mastering etc...? Is that it's main and only function?
Sorry for being so difficult, I'm causcious when it comes to getting information understood correctly...thanks alot tho!
Czar..."however for your kind of music i would NOT use 1 mic only. i would use a condenser for vocals and a dynamic for ad libs,back ground vocals and some hooks. run them both through mic algorithims or something like that. thats ME. you do what you want because you know what you want."
I know what I want, but I don't know what I need to get what I want. Please, tell me why you would not use one MIC, I'm planning on using a condenser for my vocals, but a dynamic for the other stuff...? does this add to an effect or give the different vocals more contrast or what I'd like to hear, sounds interesting.
What are "ad libs"...? is that when you place vocals over parts of vocals for effect...?
This also costs more, if I do this I'll get that dynamic later on after I've got everything. All I know is condenser uses Phantom power, what's the real difference while where at this topic.
"run them both through mic algorithims or something like that."
What is a an algorithims, what's it do, run both of what...?
"do you feel comfortable mixing on a computer? where are your sounds coming from? REASON or some other software or are you using a keyboard?"
I don't see why I wouldn't feel confortable using a mixer, since I've never used external. My sounds will be a mozaic from Reason and what ever other software I might end up using, plus probably a keyboard aswell...is this a problem?
last of all, Is the compressor worth getting, I feel that it would be better than any program since it seems to be rated high, and what exactly will I do with it besides mastering etc...? Is that it's main and only function?
Sorry for being so difficult, I'm causcious when it comes to getting information understood correctly...thanks alot tho!
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JuSumPilgrim
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http://www.doctoraudio.com/index2.html
Delta66 omni package for $400....cornerstone of my studio ...best bang for the buck out there. The converters are outrageous, the preamps are among the best under 1g, and the flexibility of the omni is brilliant. Do yourself a favor.
Delta66 omni package for $400....cornerstone of my studio ...best bang for the buck out there. The converters are outrageous, the preamps are among the best under 1g, and the flexibility of the omni is brilliant. Do yourself a favor.
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
http://www.ontariostaging.com/index1.html
Ok guys I was a few bucks off, but this place has them for 255 Canadian...at the current exchange rate, that is $165 US....dont know why I remember $150, my bad........
Ok guys I was a few bucks off, but this place has them for 255 Canadian...at the current exchange rate, that is $165 US....dont know why I remember $150, my bad........
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
Oh almost forgot...when you go to the link, click AUDIO and then PROCESSORS and it will be the first item........
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czar of bizarre
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BEAR i was the one who told him about the alesis 3630 because the guy is on a BUDGET. i didnt tell him about the nano compressor or THE TC TRIPLE C COMPRESSOR. i also gave him other names of compressors that would fit his budget.
moving on.
http://www.tangible-technology.com/power/Phantom_Power_connect.html
if i were you i would also get a book on definitions and terms that have to deal with audio and recording. that way you can elaborate and go more in depth when you ask the question.
i dont understand the first sentence. are you saying you wouldnt feel comfortable using a PC mixer or an external mixer? please clarify. so you need to get the keyboard connected to the pc. several ways you can do this. it all depends on what kind of inputs you are using on the pc. so no NOTHING is a problem its what YOU want to do.
?????????? what do you mean it will be better than any program? i dont understand that statement. please clarify. a compressor of some sorts is needed. this is why i would recommend the roland pak.
1. it has several compressors onboard which elimates the need for rack space.
2. you are keeping your chain clean. the more stuff you have the mic going through the more the signal is degraded.
3.you dont know what a compressor is or how it is used so buying a unit with compressors already installed would be logical. that way you wont have to worry about how to connect it and all. all you need to do is learn how to use it.
compressors act like a robot. thats the best i can say without getting to technical. they lower the loud parts that PEAK. or they raise the volume of the parts that are to LOW. it all depends on how you set the compressor. normally compression is applied to vocals,bass,kick drum and the entire mix. USE COMPRESSION WISELY!!! over use will squash your sound and leave your music without dynamics. you may want to record your vocals with a compressor OR record it dry and patch it in. it all depends on what YOU want.
its ok to not know about this stuff. however you must start learning and thats why your hear. i DONT know everything about music. i NEVER will. only thing i can do is give you my insight and info and let you research it.
now i need to know something . do you want to keep it SIMPLE or do you want enough to have you set up so you WONT have to buy a lot of gear anytime soon?
if you are going to use one mic,run the keyboard into the pc check into the delta omni. if you want something more flexible and something that you can use LIVE, or in another STUDIO or for if your recording more than 1 person or tracks at a time get the roland. in my HONEST opinion i would get the roland,get a mic and get some cool monitors and amp. thats me. however i DONT matter in this situation. YOU do. its your money and your project. soak up all the game this sight and these folks have to offer and research EVERYTHING!!!!!! remember your on a BUDGET but you DONT want to cut certain corners.
czar
moving on.
i DONT know of ANY "professional" rappers that use ONE mic. i dont use one mic. i would NOT double up the vocals with the SAME mic. IF i did i would add or do something weird to the second vocal track to make it blend but stand out. A LOT of musicians use condensors and then use a shure to do backup vocals. however you DONT have to do what "a lot" of musicians are doing. you do what YOU want to do.
basically when you double your vocal track but you dont say all of the track. only bits and pieces. its sorta like back ground vocals.
without going overboard and too technical a dynamic mic doesnt require the power that a condenser needs. a condenser needs phantom power and some take 9 volts. this link i give you will explain phantom power.
http://www.tangible-technology.com/power/Phantom_Power_connect.html
if i were you i would also get a book on definitions and terms that have to deal with audio and recording. that way you can elaborate and go more in depth when you ask the question.
i told you about a condenser and dynamic mic. when i said to "run both" i meant both mics i mentioned. without getting to technical a mic algorithim will basically make YOUR mic sound like a DIFFERENT mic. its possible through emulation/simulation techniques.
i dont understand the first sentence. are you saying you wouldnt feel comfortable using a PC mixer or an external mixer? please clarify. so you need to get the keyboard connected to the pc. several ways you can do this. it all depends on what kind of inputs you are using on the pc. so no NOTHING is a problem its what YOU want to do.
?????????? what do you mean it will be better than any program? i dont understand that statement. please clarify. a compressor of some sorts is needed. this is why i would recommend the roland pak.
1. it has several compressors onboard which elimates the need for rack space.
2. you are keeping your chain clean. the more stuff you have the mic going through the more the signal is degraded.
3.you dont know what a compressor is or how it is used so buying a unit with compressors already installed would be logical. that way you wont have to worry about how to connect it and all. all you need to do is learn how to use it.
compressors act like a robot. thats the best i can say without getting to technical. they lower the loud parts that PEAK. or they raise the volume of the parts that are to LOW. it all depends on how you set the compressor. normally compression is applied to vocals,bass,kick drum and the entire mix. USE COMPRESSION WISELY!!! over use will squash your sound and leave your music without dynamics. you may want to record your vocals with a compressor OR record it dry and patch it in. it all depends on what YOU want.
its ok to not know about this stuff. however you must start learning and thats why your hear. i DONT know everything about music. i NEVER will. only thing i can do is give you my insight and info and let you research it.
now i need to know something . do you want to keep it SIMPLE or do you want enough to have you set up so you WONT have to buy a lot of gear anytime soon?
if you are going to use one mic,run the keyboard into the pc check into the delta omni. if you want something more flexible and something that you can use LIVE, or in another STUDIO or for if your recording more than 1 person or tracks at a time get the roland. in my HONEST opinion i would get the roland,get a mic and get some cool monitors and amp. thats me. however i DONT matter in this situation. YOU do. its your money and your project. soak up all the game this sight and these folks have to offer and research EVERYTHING!!!!!! remember your on a BUDGET but you DONT want to cut certain corners.
czar
Blue Bear Sound
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I have no interest in arguing with you czar, but you also don't want to cut corners on a compressor. Budget-minded aside, a Behringer comp is going to be better than the 3630.... the 3630 is just plain awful...... for pretty much the same price...
Bruce
Bruce
Gidge
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I dont think there are many people out there that are more budget minded (cheapskate) than me....and if I was in the market for a compressor and I could only afford $100 (ex. 3630) Id just wait until I had enough for the RNC...especially in this case because his music is gonna be so vocally oriented, hes gonna want a compressor that actually works....
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PRiZ
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Hmmm..
Czar, first off I meant I wouldn't have any problems with an on board mixer...
"however you DONT have to do what "a lot" of musicians are doing. you do what YOU want to do."
I know this, but most musicians do something a certain way for a reason. I'd like to know how they do everything and then do things my way after I've seen different techniques and styles.
I'm still not too clear, but couldn't I do ad libs ect, with a condensor MIC by just using algorithims to make it sound like a dynamic MIC...? or is it not that simple?
Now last of all, I never meant to say that I cared about budget.
If I can't afford something now I'll have enough sometime later, so just tell generally affordable equipment that does a good and is above the rest and yes, best bang fo the buck. I don't want any equipment if it's not really good just to save money. If that compressor is really the best for compressors under a thousand I'll get it even though it's cheap. Czar...whe I said that the compressor is probably better than any program, I meant as in software program...Is there a software program that's better for doing compresion, or is it better to get a compressor externally?
The Omni looks really good like I said, and I was already looking into a delta card (1010) but the 66 actually is probably better for me anyway. The reason I'm kinda straying away from the other cards is I haven't done that much research in them, which I will, but I'm not just taking your words for it...The delta cards have got great sound. Lastly Czar and the rest suggesting other cards have you even checked the Omni studio and seen the great reviews, I feel like I got companies fighting to sell me their card sometimes...thanks for the help, this is the most help I've had ever had on a board, good work!
Czar, first off I meant I wouldn't have any problems with an on board mixer...
"however you DONT have to do what "a lot" of musicians are doing. you do what YOU want to do."
I know this, but most musicians do something a certain way for a reason. I'd like to know how they do everything and then do things my way after I've seen different techniques and styles.
I'm still not too clear, but couldn't I do ad libs ect, with a condensor MIC by just using algorithims to make it sound like a dynamic MIC...? or is it not that simple?
Now last of all, I never meant to say that I cared about budget.
If I can't afford something now I'll have enough sometime later, so just tell generally affordable equipment that does a good and is above the rest and yes, best bang fo the buck. I don't want any equipment if it's not really good just to save money. If that compressor is really the best for compressors under a thousand I'll get it even though it's cheap. Czar...whe I said that the compressor is probably better than any program, I meant as in software program...Is there a software program that's better for doing compresion, or is it better to get a compressor externally?
The Omni looks really good like I said, and I was already looking into a delta card (1010) but the 66 actually is probably better for me anyway. The reason I'm kinda straying away from the other cards is I haven't done that much research in them, which I will, but I'm not just taking your words for it...The delta cards have got great sound. Lastly Czar and the rest suggesting other cards have you even checked the Omni studio and seen the great reviews, I feel like I got companies fighting to sell me their card sometimes...thanks for the help, this is the most help I've had ever had on a board, good work!
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PRiZ
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I just noticed this...
Czar..."or for if your recording more than 1 person or tracks at a time get the roland." Can I not record more than one person at a time with the Omni. This is a big deal I'd like to have that option, although it could be done without...?
Czar..."or for if your recording more than 1 person or tracks at a time get the roland." Can I not record more than one person at a time with the Omni. This is a big deal I'd like to have that option, although it could be done without...?
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jrlemonz
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If I were you I'd take Gidge's advice and go for the Omni Studio. Then I'd buy a mic, maybe an NT-1, or a MK319 (Octava), or that Marshall Gidge is always advocating. I'd pass on the compressor, just because I think the software you'll be using to mix will have one that will suit you fine. You do need some sort of multitracking program to mix in. You'd make the backing tracks in Reason, then export them into a multi-track program, where you could add keyboards, vocals, etc, etc. You can check out n-Track (http://www.ntrack.com), Cubase, Nuendo, Logic, Cakewalk, or one of many others. Thats all about how much time you want to spend learning the program, how much $$ you'll pay for the program, and the functions youd want from the program. From what you've said throughout the post, I'd think that the logical program would be either Cakewalk (ease of use), Sonic Foundry Vegas Pro (well suited to this style, with it's high functionality of loops) or Nuendo (I love Nuendo, it's so versatile, and it's mixing capabilities rock). They all have different price tags, which I don't know offhand.
Jake
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blinddogblues
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Don't rule out the Aardvark sound cards. I have 2 Direct Pro 24/96 cards and love them but I admit I do not use the preamps, because I have an ART dual Tube MP and a Mackie 1642 mixer. However, you should be aware of this.....the new Aardvark (I think its called the LX6) is exactly like the Direct Pro except is has no preamps, and it costs about $400, and it comes with Cakewalk Pro Studio 9, the full blown version! For $400 you would have your card and software and all you would need would be a preamp, compressor and microphone. The sound quality of these converters is excellent and the interface is simple and easy to use. Also, there is a built in compressor on the Aardvark. It is not the greatest, but sounds ok and works. This could help you with the budget for something else. I did alot of research and I couldn't find anything for the money to touch these cards. Check it out at aardvark-pro.com.
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czar of bizarre
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blue bear im not arguing. like i said i gave him a list of compressors for a reasonable price. i have NEVER heard the alesis compressor. however i have heard the Behringer comp and mixer and fx unit. in MY opinion they ALL sucked and i would NEVER steer my worst enemy into that direction. however you have your opinion and i have mine and this guy has to make up his mind about what he needs.
quotes from priz:
now compare those other cards to this and see if your really getting the most bang for your buck. with this you can hook up several mics,syths and drum machines at once. can you do that with the other cards? do the other cards have a guitar input?
do the other cards have an effect on your cpu? look into all of these things and take em into consideration.
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Roland/PR/Studio-Pack.html
hit that site look at the features and compare to the other cards. consider everything from inputs to cpu usage to onboard effects to your learning ability. if you want something simple get one of those other cards. if you want something FLEXIBLE ,SIMPLE to use out the box and something you can GROW into get the roland or at LEAST check into it. take into consideration the type of music you are doing. research and look into EACH card or mixer you can.
if it was me i would buy the roland and a cool mic. thats $900 bucks with $400 more to play with. thats enough to buy an external pre and compressor. keep the chain as short as possible.
czar.
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man you have to watch and experiment and find the best set up that works for you.
yes you could. however what if you want to record more than one person at a time? what if someone who is rapping with you just doesnt sound right using your condenser?
the best for who? has it been etched in stone and agreed upon by the world that it is the best? OPINIONS.
matter of preference. i have an issue of electronic musician where they broke down software stuff vs hardware stuff. good and bad exist in BOTH worlds. according to electronic musician may 2001 vol 17,no 5 page 58-60. frequency range makes or breaks digital eq's compressors or filters and other fx units. also with an EXTERNAL unit your adding something in the recording chain which WILL degrade the signal. will you be able to tell? probably not.
yep. i also checked out the roland set up. and im saying for the most bang for your buck you cant go wrong with that. an external mixer with pci slot,20 inputs,phantom power,midi in out and through,LOGIC software for sequencing and recording,24 bit 96khz support,24 track playback, 8 in 8 out.
now compare those other cards to this and see if your really getting the most bang for your buck. with this you can hook up several mics,syths and drum machines at once. can you do that with the other cards? do the other cards have a guitar input?
do the other cards have an effect on your cpu? look into all of these things and take em into consideration.
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Roland/PR/Studio-Pack.html
hit that site look at the features and compare to the other cards. consider everything from inputs to cpu usage to onboard effects to your learning ability. if you want something simple get one of those other cards. if you want something FLEXIBLE ,SIMPLE to use out the box and something you can GROW into get the roland or at LEAST check into it. take into consideration the type of music you are doing. research and look into EACH card or mixer you can.
if it was me i would buy the roland and a cool mic. thats $900 bucks with $400 more to play with. thats enough to buy an external pre and compressor. keep the chain as short as possible.
czar.
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PRiZ
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errggh!
I thought I'd be ordering a soundcard by tommorrow, or today techincly...but I'm glad I'm still learning more to make a decision.
"man you have to watch and experiment and find the best set up that works for you."
True, but I can't experiment with what I don't have.
"the best for who? has it been etched in stone and agreed upon by the world that it is the best? OPINIONS."
Since I have nothing else to go on, yes.
"yes you could. however what if you want to record more than one person at a time? what if someone who is rapping with you just doesnt sound right using your condenser?"
well that's the rappers prob, if he's any dedicated emcee he'll have his own MIC, and if he doesn't, than he's lucky he gets to use a good one...and also this aplys to the algorithim, I could fiddle wit it abit to help couldn't I. Recording more than one person at time could be done with two MIC's yes, I'll probably end up with another sometime, but now, basically everything done with two could be done with one MIC, even though it would be more convenient and natural to have the other together etc...good point.
Is there a software program that's better for doing compresion, or is it better to get a compressor externally?...my own quote.
Didn't really understand your answer, but It seemed you were saying software was overall better...I didn't see any of it's downsides. To further this, What software does compression and what are they equivavlent to in price of hardware per price of software? kinda off topic, but if I could get an asnwer this would help. otherwise I'll just do some of my own investigation.
Okay, I got along night of reading ahead, I'll take all of your points into to consideration...
I thought I'd be ordering a soundcard by tommorrow, or today techincly...but I'm glad I'm still learning more to make a decision.
"man you have to watch and experiment and find the best set up that works for you."
True, but I can't experiment with what I don't have.
"the best for who? has it been etched in stone and agreed upon by the world that it is the best? OPINIONS."
Since I have nothing else to go on, yes.
"yes you could. however what if you want to record more than one person at a time? what if someone who is rapping with you just doesnt sound right using your condenser?"
well that's the rappers prob, if he's any dedicated emcee he'll have his own MIC, and if he doesn't, than he's lucky he gets to use a good one...and also this aplys to the algorithim, I could fiddle wit it abit to help couldn't I. Recording more than one person at time could be done with two MIC's yes, I'll probably end up with another sometime, but now, basically everything done with two could be done with one MIC, even though it would be more convenient and natural to have the other together etc...good point.
Is there a software program that's better for doing compresion, or is it better to get a compressor externally?...my own quote.
Didn't really understand your answer, but It seemed you were saying software was overall better...I didn't see any of it's downsides. To further this, What software does compression and what are they equivavlent to in price of hardware per price of software? kinda off topic, but if I could get an asnwer this would help. otherwise I'll just do some of my own investigation.
Okay, I got along night of reading ahead, I'll take all of your points into to consideration...
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PRiZ
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I can't get anything on this!
It's called the RPC-1 R-BUS studio back from roland...
It looks feakin ridiculously good!!! Czar how much have you found on this card? I found numerous sites, but all they really did was give the rundown on the card, can't find a simple review. I know this product is very new, I can't even seem to find it to buy.
I can't find a price listing or anything to that degree...?
Are you looking into getting this card, what have you found about it. Please! help me if you can as quick as you can, this package looks phenominal if the price is true...????????????????
It's called the RPC-1 R-BUS studio back from roland...
It looks feakin ridiculously good!!! Czar how much have you found on this card? I found numerous sites, but all they really did was give the rundown on the card, can't find a simple review. I know this product is very new, I can't even seem to find it to buy.
I can't find a price listing or anything to that degree...?
Are you looking into getting this card, what have you found about it. Please! help me if you can as quick as you can, this package looks phenominal if the price is true...????????????????
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j
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so you have some sexy girlfriends you want to record? i assume we are talking about the roland mixer with pci card
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jrlemonz
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Those multi-tracking programs I mentioned all do Compression (along with many other neato effects).
Jake
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j
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there is a way to export reason tracks, but unless you are using rewire, i think it would be pretty selfdefeating.....