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[Flo' Dolo]

Re: Harvey & Hawking...

Harvey wrote:

Kinda like Stephen Hawking giving an advanced course on "black hole formulations" to a group made up of graduate students and inner city high school kids. Sooner or later, someone in the back of the room is gonna say, "Yo man, you talking about my girl friend?". I imagine Mr Hawking would mutter the scientific equivilent of "Fuck it, I don't need this shit!" and motor off the stage.

Three things:

1) What if that inner city "someone" in the back of the room wasn't african-american like you're implying, but white or latino or asian or whatever instead? The grad students could've all looked like me and high schoolers could've looked like you 40 years ago. The inner city I grew up in could've had your neices or nephews living on my block. All socio-economically deprived, all eating off of AFDC, all races (though still a bit disproportionate) and all thinking grape kool-aid with lots and lots of sugar is nectar from the gods.

2) I probably would've been the kid making that crack, but I also would've been the kid damn near on par with the grad students and able to spit shit about life and other worldy mysteries that would've reminded mr. guest speaker/professor exactly why he taught in the first place (as was so often in the case throughout my formal academic career), even though I've always preferred ebonics & patois over the king's dry-assed english.

3) In my experience, it was more often the surburban white kid with way too much of nothing in his life asking bullshit questions or making stupid cracks. MTVs "The Real World" & "Sorority Life" pretty much sum up the state of mainstream america's high school and college students. Baggy jeans and my brim bent over my eyes didn't mean I lacked in comprehension, though exposure was generally a luxury, not status quo.

I know this a bit off-topic, and perhaps I'm a bit sensitive, not to mention the fact that I can indeed see the humor in your statement - i'm not a dry ass, nor am I anal - but I'm sure you're all smart enough to feel me on this on.

Now, back to making music...

Flo' Dolo

 

[MrZekeMan]

Re: Re: Harvey & Hawking...

...What if that inner city "someone" in the back of the room wasn't african-american like you're implying, but white or latino or asian or whatever instead?

I don't think Harvey was implying anything. I think you inferred from his comments, that he was talking about African-American kids. IMO, it was a wrong inference.

I read the post, and the thought never crossed my mind that he was singling out black kids.

If you think that statements like: "Yo man, you talking about my girl friend?", are exclusive to black youths, I think you need to get out more.

BTW, there is no offense intended here. Please don't read any sarcastic or condescending tone into my statements. I'm just giving my viewpoint here, and letting you know that I took the statement different than you did.

Taylor

 

[alanhyatt]

I read it the same way as Tony. If you have ever been to Texas, that saying is about as common as spitting your chew on the ground.

Ok now, for you chewing guys, I meant no offense

Alan Hyatt

 

[MrZekeMan]

I read it the same way as Tony.

Thanks Andy.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Re: Re: Harvey & Hawking...

Three things:

1) What if that inner city "someone" in the back of the room wasn't african-american like you're implying, but white or latino or asian or whatever instead? The grad students could've all looked like me and high schoolers could've looked like you 40 years ago. The inner city I grew up in could've had your neices or nephews living on my block. All socio-economically deprived, all eating off of AFDC, all races (though still a bit disproportionate) and all thinking grape kool-aid with lots and lots of sugar is nectar from the gods.

Interesting observations. I'll try to address each oof them. I also grew up in an inner city environment (Chicago, in the 40s) with a large mix of races, and perhaps I'm less sensitive to the differences that other people perceive. To me, they were just friends, not whites, blacks, hispanics, or italians, or whatever; just friends. There were also others of the same races that were not friends. If I were bored with the subject, I would have probably been the person making the remark from the back of the room. With the new freedom of rap lyrics, I didn't find the remark as offensive as I would in today's politically correct climate.

2) I probably would've been the kid making that crack, but I also would've been the kid damn near on par with the grad students and able to spit shit about life and other worldy mysteries that would've reminded mr. guest speaker/professor exactly why he taught in the first place (as was so often in the case throughout my formal academic career), even though I've always preferred ebonics & patois over the king's dry-assed english.

I still favor English and one of these days, maybe I'll learn to use it correctly. During my "formative years", most of my friends were black blues musicians, and that's the kinda thing I picked up from them. If I had been in the back of the auditorium with a black friend, and he shouted it out before I thought of it, I would have admired his cleverness and thought, "Damn, I wish I'da said that". It would have been more appropriate for a black person to say that, considering the original topic reference, but still funny, no matter who said it. At least, I would have laughed.

3) In my experience, it was more often the surburban white kid with way too much of nothing in his life asking bullshit questions or making stupid cracks. MTVs "The Real World" & "Sorority Life" pretty much sum up the state of mainstream america's high school and college students. Baggy jeans and my brim bent over my eyes didn't mean I lacked in comprehension, though exposure was generally a luxury, not status quo.

As far as intelligence, there was nothing meant in any of my remarks that I would mean to imply there was any difference between different races. At least, I've never found it to ever be an indicator of intelligence. I also agree that all too often, those people that "have it made" don't take the opportunity they are given to really do something with their life.

I know this a bit off-topic, and perhaps I'm a bit sensitive, not to mention the fact that I can indeed see the humor in your statement - i'm not a dry ass, nor am I anal - but I'm sure you're all smart enough to feel me on this on.

Sensitivity is important even more so today, to insure that people don't return to the attitues of the past.

Now, back to making music...

Flo' Dolo

 

[Scott Tansley]

Hey Alan, there's a small company here in Australia that has done exactly what you guy's are about to do. Rode. And I'm talking about there classic II valve mic. I have been the proud owner of one of these for over a year now which I plug into one of your british channel meeks (also proud of the meek). They built it from the ground up and its build precission is gob smacking, just like the sound. But it has additional fig 8 patturn which I use quite a bit. With 9 polar positions from omni through to fig 8. Also has -10 and -20 db pads, an earth lift switch and two high pass filters and its own phantom power all on its own separate box with robust knobs like the viper. Not like little switches on the mic. Is supplied in a good roadcase with rigid mount and shock mount. Its also half the price of yours too. I'm assuming yours will be twice as good (at least). Am I assuming correctly or do I have egg on my face.

Scott Tansley

I think Rode will be your only opponent! so far!

 

[littledog]

Glad you like your Rode, Scott. There's one small point about the "...done exactly what you guys are about to do..."that may prove to be the critical difference:

Rode never hired Stephen Paul to design the Classic II. Since none of us have heard the new SP/SP collaboration yet, no one can say for sure how much difference that will make. But those of us who have heard the difference that a Stephen Paul modification makes on virtually every conceivable condenser mic in the world (Classic II no exception) can't help but get excited about the possibility of a Stephen Paul designed microphone at an affordable price.

I'm in no position to say whether it will sound twice as good as a Rode Classic II (or what twice as good even means!), but it would probably surprise me if that weren't the case!

 

[ausrock]

Scott,

It's quite possible the eggs will come close to the target .

As for RODE..............well considering they sent me a bottle of "RODE Red" sometime back, I will remain silent on certain issues. I think it was a bribe to shut the fuck up after I asked some direct questions on the phone.

 

[Scott Tansley]

Hmmmmmm, and I thought my next step up from the classic II was a neuman.
Looks like thats about to change.
I think these guy's are going to do very well. The best thing is as always that the music will be the main benefit of this (and you have to admit) partnership. I could say good luck but they don't need it. No luck involved here.

 

[alanhyatt]

They built it from the ground up and its build precission is gob smacking, just like the sound. But it has additional fig 8 patturn which I use quite a bit. With 9 polar positions from omni through to fig 8. Also has -10 and -20 db pads, an earth lift switch and two high pass filters and its own phantom power all on its own separate box with robust knobs like the viper.

Am I assuming correctly or do I have egg on my face.

Scott Tansley

I think Rode will be your only opponent! so far!

Scott,

With all due respect to RODE, there are some things they do not tell you. Yes, they are a fine company and make very good sounding microphones for the money, but all they do is assemble. All of the components come from China. The new NT5 and NT4 capsules are made by 797 Audio, the same company I use to make Studio Projects. RODE gets all of its components offshore. This is not to say the mics are not good, but you stated they build it from the ground up, and they dont.

The other advantage of RODE is the laws of the country you live in. RODE does not have to pay any import or export duties. That is a significant savings when compared to other companies like myself. I wish the USA did those kinds of things.

In either case, Ausrock is being very quiet, and I respect that, especially if the Red is that good!! But he knows the score there.

Once again, the Stephen Paul microphone while more than twice the price is a different animal than the RODE. I contend that Studio Projects is the competition for RODE. Brent Casey has finished the SD mics, and we have a LD Stereo Mic in the works. I should post a picture of this one. Looks alot like the Brauner VSM1 but it is not tube. Brent is killing us as he did it in two days...I mean where the hell did this guy come from...ooops(Marshall), and why the hell did they not just let this guy run free and do what he is capable of. I was floored!!!!! Even more, it works!!

Anyway, the Stephen Paul mics is competition for much higher end companies than RODE. I am happy you like your classic as much as you do. That is great, but Stephen plays in another league where not even Klaus Heyne is playing. Yes, Klaus can step up to the plate, but he can't hit Stephens fast ball!!!

Alan Hyatt

 

[ausrock]

Scott,

Just to expand on Alan's comments.

Anything that RODE import, which will subsequently be exported, they DON'T pay any duties on. However should the imported components stay in Australia, then import duties, GST, etc., apply........hence RODE's ability to market o/seas at prices which appear cheaper the those here in Aust.

And to slightly correct Alan............most (possibly all) of the mic cases are machined here in Aust., with capsules., etc being sourced o/seas, (RODE hate to be asked about this). They are also claiming to be "gearing up" to reduce imports and increase local manufacturing, but are evasive when asked how they can do this without substantial price increases.

 

[alanhyatt]

Opps

 

[alanhyatt]

C7,

Your on, but I use peppermint oil soap! Remember Dr. Bronner's soap for the 60's? Yeah, I am still a Hippie at heart.

Ausrock,

Thank for the corrections!

 

[RICK FITZPATRICK]

"Mic Contest"

Hello to this forum, I am a newbe here, and just read the MIX article on these gentleman forming a partnership. Not keeping up with the pro-audio world these days,
has put me in a kind of info "isolation booth" so to speak, so I know NOTHING about the reputation of these gentleman. But it sounds as if this mic must be Incredible! Soooo...
if this mic' is so high on everybodys mind, it MUST be great. How about declareing a "contest" for the first mic. Make it a tradeshow extravaganza, with the winner(thats me!)being given the mic in front of the whole industry. That way I can get my face on the front page of mix, accepting this prostegious Mic from the designers themselves!
Right.........dream on rick.
I know, I'll be the toilet cleaners assistant. Maybe I could just hold one for a minute or two a week!!! Shoot, my old '57 is still locked away for private adulation and...you know. Thats how far I am behind the times! I would build a worship cathedral for this one. Ha!!
BTW, i hope assholes are forgiven here. Been there, done that too.

 

[s_paul]

All I can say after reading all this stuff is this...

We do what we do... I started the company in 1983, and when I started there was nothing but Neumann and AKG.

If it wasn't for the work I did and published, there would in all liklihood never have been a Rode, or a Soundelux or any other 'knock-offs' so to speak.

I never knoccked anything off. I have always issued designs, and I think that is the biggest thing that sets my little 'boutique' operation apart from all the other manufacturers out there.

With all due respect to the claims of others, there are in fact in the world, still today, only a very small handfull of guys who could sit down and design and get working a large membrane dual diaphragm capsule from scratch in the first place.

Maybe ten guys. If that.

We are still the only location in the entire world where research, development and manufacturing are done in the sub 3 micron range of big capsules. Still the first and only place on earth where you can walk in, ask for the mike of your dreams, and have it.

That being said, all I can say is, if you like what we do, buy the mike, if you don't, that's okay!

You can also if you wish, listen to the results I get recording, at:
http://www.mp3.com/stephenpaul

And judge for yourself.

Happy motoring!

 

[chessparov]

Stephen (or anyone else), what does BSEE mean?

Perhaps the most amazing thing about all this is how LONG it
took for someone with common sense (like Alan) to come along and combine Stephen's expertise with the manufacturing and distribution neccessary to put these designs out on a greater scale. Still waiting for the car that runs on water though!

Chris

 

[littledog]

Stephen (or anyone else), what does BSEE mean?

I'll take a flying leap and guess form the context that it meant:

Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering

 

[Son of Mixerman]

Im my field we just call em EE's (pronunced "double" E)
or arc n spark behind their backs


SoMm

 

[alanhyatt]

Im my field we just call em EE's (pronunced "double" E)
or arc n spark behind their backs


SoMm

Hey SoMm,

Your pronunciation kind of reminds me of deliverance... EEEE...Weeeeeeee!!!!

Man that's just not right...

 

[darrin_h2000]

So was this EE a DeVry grad?