If this sounds ignorant, tell me.

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Forgive me...
But seeking government support for this kind of endeavor is just plain stupid. It's total socialism in one of its most childish manifestations. If a good studio isn't worth the HARD WORK it takes to create and maintain, and you'd rather go asking Uncle Sam for free money, then you have a serious problem in your work ethic.

Sorry.. I'm a meaniehead. No personal attacks here, but for gosh sakes... just get a job and work your butt off - that not only makes money, it builds character!

Isaiah the capitalist snot-faced troll :-D
 
Is seems I have a capitalist snot-faced troll in me somewhere to!
 
I found the info.

The US has an estimated $11.5 million every year to give to musicians for the purpose of supporting excellence in music performance and creativity, and to develop informed audiences. My figures are from 1996, and they are probably more now, but you can apply for up to $35,000 annually.

For starters, you can write to:

Music program
National Endowment for the Arts
1100 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, Room 702
Washington, DC 20506.



There are several other lesser known programs out there some may be interested in:

$10,000 for American folk artists
3 mil yearly to preserve groups that share the same ethnic heritage, language, occupation, religion, or geographic area. The folk arts include music, dance, poetry, tales, oratory, crafts, and various visual art forms.

$37,500 to organize a local art show

$37,00 for struggling actors and theatres

$X (10.5 mil awarded yearly) in grants to non-profits ro produce radio and television shows. Can anyone say public access?

Keep in mind I charge a 10% finders fee. :)
 
I'll waive my fee for anyone who can tell me how to turn on the.gif animation for my avatar!

I'll bet every one of you sceptics who thinks it's wrong to apply for a grant to create their art has at one time or another wished they didn't have to pay taxes. This is the way deserving individuals get back their share. Who is to decide who deserves it? Well if Royston is the one in his region smart enough to apply, guess who gets the grant? It's called beating the system, and I encourage any of you with a chance at it and the nuts to give it a shot to try the same.

Someday I aim to start a religion like my mentor JR Bob Dobbs, and live happily ever after.
 
Rats, the genius...

Rats,

You have answered my question perfectly, this is exactly the kind of answer I was looking for. All of a sudden I don't seem so dumb do I Sjoko? I'm all over this deal! And I'm sure a lot of other artists will appreciate this information Rats.

I tip my hat to you Rats!
 
Did I say you looked dumb? Did I say you suddenly didn't loom dumb? I didn't say either. But on the other hand, if the shoe fits................... And you're not all that clever, or you would have known the answer, which you only know because of rats.

I'm sorry, don't mean to be personal, but I've been around for a while, have always worked hard for what I wanted, and have been successful in getting it. Handouts in my book don't go together with respect

I go with gidge, prism, wide awake. If you want something, be prepared to work for it, or shut up and don't moan about it.
 
Call them hand outs if you will, but the United States wouldn't be doling out all this money every year if it didn't value art and creation.

Because you are so involved in music on a regular basis you may not recognize the importance of it as a national resource. These things are important, and if you find that what you are involved in is something worth fighting for, well then maybe someone else will too!

And Sjoko you really ought to lighten up on Royston, he had an honest question and showed no offense until your smart assedness bubbled to the surface like a fart in the bath tub.
 
I think sjoko's problem is that Royston does seem to want to get something for nothing - yeah, there's 11 million bucks in the States (is that all? That is peanuts) but there is a hell of a lot of people going after that cash too. You can't count on it at all. Sure, apply for it - but while you are waiting for your application to process, get your ass to work.
 
What do you mean something for nothing? I am creating original, artistic music, how does that amount to nothing? There seems to be some animosity here because Rats went to the trouble of supplying valuable information.

You guys never heard the phrase "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"?

Yes, I have a good job but I have a wife and son that I have to support, therefore I cannot afford to record my music to the level that I feel it should be. Why do a few people on this board not understand that?
 
Go to any Guitar Center or Sam Ash music store on a Saturday morning.
They're LOADED with musicians, and most of them write songs.
Should the government subsidize the millions of musicians in this country?
I think that's very unrealisitic.

I agree with the "if you want it - work for it" mindset.
We shouldn't have to depend on the government for "artistic handouts".
 
Anyone with the ability to say "would you like fries with that, please drive through", can finance and record a high-quality demo these days.

Come to think about it, my recordings aren't that great and I deserve better. Anyone have Roger Nichols home phone number ?

I'm only kidding Royston.
 
Royston, no animosity here, you asked the question; if this sounds ignorant, tell me, so you invited a response?

Perhaps I haven't made my point clearly enough. I'm all in favor of governments supporting the arts - the right way. I've seen many highly talented musicians go through hell and without basic necessities of life for their art. What I am trying to say there is that those people perhaps deserve financial help - more than you do? You have a wife and kid to support. Oh yeah, big difference, you mean others don't?

The main point I was trying to make is that government money should be well directed. It so happens that education in the arts in general, and music in particular, is severely lacking in the US as well as in Europe. This despite the fact that it has been proven to be of great importance to children's development. That is where money should go, to make things better for the future.

Without trying to blow my own trumpet, no big deal 'coz you don't know my real name anyway, I have been actively involved in attempts to improve music and recording technology education, both here as well as in the UK. My son had a band since he was 15, they had music education at school, it was an "on the side" thing, the teacher couldn't really teach anything. I set up meetings with the school, with the education authorities, solicited the help of pro musicians. As a result my sons band, and many other bands in the area, were given access to rehearsal space, got mentorship / teaching from pro musicians, could organize concerts at the schools etc. This ongoing program has, in the 5 years it has been in existence, produced some superb results.
Ex-pression Center for New Media is another example. Good education in audio engineering and digital media is very hard to find, so I started putting the concept together for a new way of doing things. I found the key people, I found the source for many millions of finance, I arrange meetings which were attended by people from all over the US and Europe. I paid for accountants, lawyers, architects, I worked on it full time for over 4 months, and spend a good 6 figure sum on the project. I don't hold shared in "Ex", I didn't ask to be compensated for my time and efforts. Why? because it is a private facility, and I believe that is wrong, even though it was the only way to do it. It should be paid for by government, all education should, and kids who really want to know how to record, how to create media content, should have access to education so they can follow their dreams.

Perhaps now you will understand why, when you moaned about having to pay for studio time years ago, when you said you were a financially challenged musician, with a good job and good pay, it hit a bit of a sour note with me. My belief is; if you want something in this life, you go for it. If it means working 20 hours a day, seven days a week, so what.

Again, no personal malice intended :)
 
I'm an even worse radical than you'd think...
I simply believe the government has no place in education whatsoever. It's not their fault, necessarily, because if the private schools of yesterday hadn't given up their authority to these bureaucrats of today, then we'd still have good schools, and they wouldn't have to be tax funded.

Just my 2 cents.

Isaiah
 
hehe Prism - I didn't want to go that far - but you are right. I was fortunate to be able to go to a private school, and I know the difference. But that type and level of education should be standard, be it private or government funded.
Unfortunately, its only available to people with money, and there we go again - if you have to work 20 hours a day 7 days a week to send your kids to a good school, so be it in my book.
 
Here is a painful way to do it:

I met this guy (I don't really know him all that well, so I don't know all of the details) who has got a pretty good deal going. Follow his lead this way:

First, get your ass sent to prison. I'm guessing for a drug related charge.

Then, when you get out, go live in a halfway house. While there, tell your parole officer that you want to be a recording engineer.

The state will pay for you to attend an audio engineering course.

When you are done, the state will buy your equipment to start you off.

Oh, yeah, get a job in using your new found skills.


I thought this was a bullshit story, but it is true. After going that route, he has himself a skill, a job mixing sound at a rehearsal joint, and a Mac G4 w/Protools 24 track system sitting in his little one bedroom apartment. He can now make great sounding demos due to the state's willingness to rehabilitate him.

I would probably go that route, but I seem to make enemies when I sleep around other people - I've been told I have a horrible snoring problem.

Brad
 
Jeez Brad, shos you what a mess things like that are, and that authorities need to learn a lot before they can spend money responsibly
 
Save up the money and pay for it yourself. Getting somebody else involved only means that they have a say in what you should record. You want complete control.

It's not hard to do a good demo for little money. There is a lot of good advice around here on making that happen.

dave @ kathode ray
www.indiebiz.com - free promo tips for musicians
 
Royston,

Just exactly what kind of music is it that you want to record with this grant you're looking for? Most of the available grants for recording music are aimed at recordings that have a somewhat different purpose than just making money or trying to entertain someone. If the music you want to record falls into a category that is already being covered by commercial record companies, i respectfully suggest that you re-read some of the posts in this thread.

These grants are rather scarce, as someone already stated above. They should be used with that kept in mind.

micmac
 
Heres your reason

The reason you are in this situation is because your a moron.
 
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