
Ford Van
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And for the fun of it Glen, you should go read up on Bob Katz talking about a 83dB level for monitoring. 

SouthSIDE Glen said:Ed, don't take it so personally, for chrissake. No one is right 100% of the time; not me, not you, not Harvey, no one. Just because someone points out an occasional flaw in your diamond is no reason to turn into another chessrock. Take a breath, relax.
G.
jrhager84 said:All I have to say is he hasn't posted anything that I'd find to have negative undertones....
cellardweller said:Ford Van said:This is just audio guys, and you ain't going to set off a global nuclear alert by experimenting.... Really. Trust me, I have all those buttons right here....
vbulletin message said:You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ford Van again.
And to think...I probably gave you rep for posting something regarding the gargling of ejaculate or something equally distasteful....
Arthur said:Also, to close, I never use commercial material as reference before mixing. Why? it is not realistic to compare material that has been mastered and squashed to the yazzooo. Levels are not realistic for mixes.
Also, to close, I never use commercial material as reference before mixing. Why? it is not realistic to compare material that has been mastered and squashed to the yazzooo. Levels are not realistic for mixes.
Arthur said:Now we're getting there... that is what they teach at schools...
At the risk of sounding very harsh now, believe me, it is not my intention.
But every single time I had an intern from SAE or another school, I had to re-train the guy. They (the schools) give you some theory, granted. They give you a base to *start* But are you a recording or mixing engineer when you graduate? No way. This takes time and REAL experience in the control room.
I had a guy some years ago, nice chap, very friendly and eager and full of the very best intentions. He was one of the best in his class. So I thought - ok, he'll be able to at least prepare the board (an SSL 4000G) for the mix, like setting up the computer and stuff, preparing the PT session, setting I/O, patching some gear - basic stuff, you know... short story... I had to do it all over. Now you could argue that the studio (and I) had some particular way of doing things and he didn't know that. To a certain extend that is true. But what I asked was pretty basic stuff.
And he was not the only one. And I have seen it in several studios I worked in. Also, some guys (again, not their fault, but the 'teacher's' who pump silly stuff in their head are the fault here) think they are the real deal when graduating. The attitude is sometimes... well I don't wanna go there. I really think the schools are a waste of money and time. Take that money, get an internship at a real studio and use the saved money to live on for the 2 years you are in the studio. You will see how it is really done, plus the networking is invaluable.
So back on topic and off my soap boxThey teach you this 85 dB stuff, but in real practice... go with what you feel comfy with. I feel comfy and make good mixes by mixing very soft most of the time, and only sometimes go loud and reference aganst the main speakers for a bass check or if the A&R needs to be impressed
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I also take my own nearfields to the studio (in my case a pair of Dynaudio BM15a). I know them inside out at every volume. And here is the key: get to know your monitors and know what comes out of them and how this will translate. Again, not theory, but experience and a lot of practice.
Also, to close, I never use commercial material as reference before mixing. Why? it is not realistic to compare material that has been mastered and squashed to the yazzooo. Levels are not realistic for mixes.
OK, I'm off now
Cheers
Arthur
Maybe I need to rethink a little...iqi616 said:But that's not important. The big lesson for me was to spend most of my time listening at a known volume. I sometimes listen louder and often listen quieter but no level or EQ decisions are ever finalized until I've listened at my standard loudness. This has greatly improved the consistency of my results.