I will finally share some secrets about mixing!

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This is not a personal attack Ed, but isn't all this stuff readily available? This info isn't exactly secret. I've got at least two dozen books that cover all this stuff. I also learned all this and more in my physics of audio classes in college. I'm just confused as to why everybody is hanging on every word.

Read it here or in a book, this information has been available for 50 years or more.
 
maybe but YOU didn't post the info here, hey?

that's why we like it. it's available...


greetz guhlenn
 
Thank you for the welcome Ed, here are the book names you requested and some useful links.

Sound Reinforcement Handbook (must read)
Gary Davis & Ralph Jones

The Art of Mixing : A Visual Guide to Recording, Engineering, and Production
David Gibson, George Petersen

The Art of Digital Audio
John Watkinson

Modern Recording Techniques (my favorite)
Gary Davis & Ralph Jones

Professional Microphone Techniques
Philip Williams, David Miles Huber

The Master Handbook of Acoustics
F. Alton Everest

Physics of Hi-Fi (all you ever wanted to know about A to D conversion)
Orest G. Symko

http://www.digido.com

http://www.365proaudio.com

http://www.mercenary.com

http://www.prorec.com

http://www.prosoundweb.com

http://webbd.nls.net/webboard/wbpx.dll/~mastering/guests (this is a ULTRA pro mastering site, I strongly recommend against posting unless you know what you are talking about)

http://www.recordingeq.com

This is just off the top of my head. If you want more I'll look through my library at my studio. Additionally, there are so many schools that teach recording, and internships that are available that you can't throw a rock without beaning a recording engineer.

Maybe since I'm in the industry it just seems that way.


Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
 
I saw the Visual Art of Mixing videos (David Gibson) - the information was good, but I couldn't stand his on-camera persona..... just because you can engineer, doesn't mean you should do videos!!! :D

Bruce Valeriani
Blue Bear Sound
 
Ed, Sonic here from over at Audio Forums.com. Just wanted to say that you've writtwen some great articles here for all. Although this is all stuff most of us know...it's great that you're actually spending so much time in sharing it with others and heck I even picked up a tip here and there.

Ever consider publishing these articles and getting some well deserved cash for it?
 
Hey Lance, welcome aboard! Your sound advice in audio production would be valuable here. Stick around.

I hope nobody takes what I am about to say out of context. But it needs to be said.

Few of the professional engineers on BBS's think like a newbie to recording. Few of them really had to learn it on their own too.

Many newbies to recording are far from knowing enough about audio production to understand that I didn't share even one "secret" earlier in this thread. But to the inexperienced engineer, they sure seem like secrets revealed when they try them eh?

This is not a slam on either professionals of newbies. This is just the way I am seeing in on the boards. I titled this thread the way I did to generate interest, not because I feel any of the info I shared was "secret". So, you pro's out their, cut me a little slack! I managed to get some good info in about 4000 words, in a manner and style that newbies could understand, out to several hundred people or more. While that makes me feel good, it certainly doesn't make me feel like I know more then other professionals, or am sharing "trade secrets". Just that I could articulate it well enough for a newbie to understand it.

I invited Tom Cram, via email, to share some links to BBS's and titles of books that cover this stuff. I thank you Tom for taking the time to do so. THAT is the type of information people need if they are looking for more advanced stuff.

But, like I explained to Tom in another email, you have to consider the audience. Once again, this is not a slam on the many fine people who post on this site, but many just don't understand even the basic of sound propagation, or signal path. Many of those books Tom listed I have read, and few of them explained things in a way a newbie could understand. Many of those websites would chase off the people posting on this site with the most basic questions they ask here. That is why I seldom link to sites like that, or recommend books like those. I would say that most audio related books ARE NOT geared towards unassisted learning. They would make excellent study books for people going to school for audio, but most on these boards are not too interested in spending that kind of money to learn how to record their bands demo's. Thus, site's like this exist, and hopefully, all these sites have solid professional engineers who have an eye towards being helpful to newbies, and can articulate complex audio concepts in a way that newbies can understand. I believe this website does that FAR better then any other BBS I have seen on the net.

Sonic Valley, I would love to publish! You got any ideas? email me and let me know.

Ed
 
well said Ed. Actually I am tossing around some ideas regarding your publications. Once I get something solid I'll let you know what I'm thinking.

Some topics covered here are some of my favs like compression and I thank you for talking about that. I'd like to get your thoughts on Mastering...even getting your mixes ready for mastering. Maybe you could share your take on that with the users here.

Vance
 
Sonusman,

Speaking as a real newbie - well said! Thanks for taking the time and energy to put some wonderful advice in a format we newbies can understand - even if, as someone sneered here recently, the knowledge has been available in some quarters of the universe for the past 50 years.

God bless this BBS!
 
Smartly stated Ed, and thanx for your content and intent. Also glad to see you're out of your Christmas funk.

Also, thanx to Tom for all of those informative posts, and welcome. As Ed stated, please hang around here, and hey where can I get a digital I/O for my DDP?
 
Hey engineear,

You can order a DDP DIO from your local pro-audio dealer. I can't sell one direct. Although, if you send your unit in to the factory to have it installed, I can sell you one.

Oh and guys, I meant no harm by saying the stuff I did to Ed. He and I had a nice offline exchange, and everything is cool. I was simply trying to understand what he meant by "secret." I know now that he was using it as a literary device, not literal.

Everybody chill.
 
Not to make a three page thread longer... but....

I've been lurking here for a while and finally decided to rear my ugly head. Ed, this is the best stuff I've seen to date. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

With that being said, I also want to say that these are great guidelines to getting great mixes. Everybody has their own ideas on what the final mix should sound like, and it depends on the engineer's style as well as the audience for the music. Also, being a musician first (like many), I found the switch to production to be frustrating to no end. There's really something to be said to having someone else engineer and co-produce your own stuff. An extra set of ears is invaluable! I looked all over the net, read books, and soaked up as much information from random sources as I possibly could, and I was still frustrated! I finally took a correspondence course from the Audio Institute of America and realized I didn't know what the hell I was doing! Just my first rough re-mix after going through the first 3 sections of the course sounded 300% better. I've also realized that the acoustic situation in my studio needs some serious work. Another thread on that to follow.

I guess I just want to say that this forum looks to be a great resource, and you'll be seeing more of me here in the future. Now that I actually understand what people are talking about, it will make it even better! Your comments about experimenting are right on the money! So often we get used to doing things a certain way, it's good to mix it up a little!

Sorry for the long initial post. I had so many thoughts on this post and the follow-up threads, but many of them have been expressed already. I look forward to "talking" with all of you in the future!
 
wow...what a thread, what an engineer!!!

ED...I have been attending this site regularly for a little over a month now and I am certainly new to this home recording business, well to recording in general actually. I am a newbie however with endless aspirations. It would seem to me that there are a lot of people on this site who certainly to say the least respect your endless recording knowledge. I am very quickly becoming one of them. I am planning to attend school for recording and I just wanted to tell you what so many have already said. Thank you...thank you, thank you, and thank you again! This kind of info is priceless, though I guess if you DID publish...
Anyway, I just couldn't feel right about using all this info without at least throwing some props out there, so...
thanks again Ed and I will look for your posts wherever I can find them. I stumbled across this site one day and instantly added it to my fav's. I never knew it would become my most frequently visited sites, but it did. So way to go Ed and by the way, who started this site?...because it is absolutely fantastic and there are so many of us so deeply in gratitude.

Talk to you all again soon and thanx also to anyone at all who posts here. It's great that we can all share such a valuable resource. I promise to post some helpful replies myself...once I have a better grasp on what I'm doing.

Happy recording all!!

Derek
 
Hey Ed or Tom or anyone...

What's a book that covers these things good? i mean the mixing techniques, something that i'll get me started but 'll stay valuable...? i'm not sure i know what i mean myself. Yeah i do know the handbook the boyscouts use... but then for recording/mixing techniques...;)

thanks all!

guhlenn
 
Ed, I am glad that you are part of this family. Since I am a wannabe engineer, I appreciate all the help I can get. I have this post printed out and sitting next to my rig. I have not had the chance to take advantage of it yet due to the holiday madness but intend to dig in here real soon.

For anyone who is interested, I read an article in January's Recording mag that confirms a lot of Ed's postings. It was a great article, like Ed's post simple to read and easy to understand.

Ed, you da man.

Peace
Joe
 
UHMMM, joe?

i think we all pretty much figured out that Ed was right....

guhlenn
 
check out

Craig Anderton's Home Recording for Musicians (this one is easy to understand)

Modern Recording Techniques by David Miles Huber (this one is more in depth, thus more technical)
 
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