TheRealWaldo
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a1a2,
Which songs do you want me to check out?
W.
Which songs do you want me to check out?
W.
TheRealWaldo
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Chris Shaeffer,
The Mouse and The Eagle - Needs to be normalized quite a bit higher. Overall mix is a bit in the high range for eq., almost a bit tinny.
I might bring the vocals up a bit, turn the acoustics down a bit, and eq. them a tiny bit lower. Rhythm guit. overpowers the solo around 2:25
Like the song, very folkish feel to it
Woolton Street - Better volume on this track. I'd turn up the vocals a bit, maybe add a little more of hall effect on the chorus.
Taps are very 'clicky', is that the snare edge? Eq. it low and add a reverb to it to stop it from being so short (if you can).
Bass is hidden in this one, bring it forward a bit more. Acoustic on the right needs a lower eq.. The electric hidden in the back occasionally needs to come out during the sans-drums, tap sections.
Trim that 7 seconds of silence off the mp3 too
Other than that, liked the tune!
W.
The Mouse and The Eagle - Needs to be normalized quite a bit higher. Overall mix is a bit in the high range for eq., almost a bit tinny.
I might bring the vocals up a bit, turn the acoustics down a bit, and eq. them a tiny bit lower. Rhythm guit. overpowers the solo around 2:25
Like the song, very folkish feel to it
Woolton Street - Better volume on this track. I'd turn up the vocals a bit, maybe add a little more of hall effect on the chorus.
Taps are very 'clicky', is that the snare edge? Eq. it low and add a reverb to it to stop it from being so short (if you can).
Bass is hidden in this one, bring it forward a bit more. Acoustic on the right needs a lower eq.. The electric hidden in the back occasionally needs to come out during the sans-drums, tap sections.
Trim that 7 seconds of silence off the mp3 too
Other than that, liked the tune!
W.
TheRealWaldo
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Shaky Tee,
Daydream - Vibraphone is a nice touch Recorded nicely, leave them alone. Eq. them synths down a bit, a tiny bit high to match your voice.
Bring the bass forward and boost it up, close to non-existant. Drums will do just fine, I'd leave them alone.
Vocals are short, need to add a bit of verb, chorus, and sustain, in a few places. I might punch in heavier on key words as well.
On the 'daydreams', I'd be a bit more heavy on the chorus, and add a bit more of an echo/hall effect. Would definately suggest a little layering in the vocal area, and maybe a background layer.
On the last breakdown, I might re-do the vocal sections there, sounds like you are trying to keep tune/rythm to the track playing. Imagine the music doesn't exist, just your voice, and sing it as a full out scat. Let it flow, and then adjust the music around it.
Gonna be an excellent tune when alls done me thinks
W.
Daydream - Vibraphone is a nice touch
Recorded nicely, leave them alone. Eq. them synths down a bit, a tiny bit high to match your voice.Bring the bass forward and boost it up, close to non-existant. Drums will do just fine, I'd leave them alone.
Vocals are short, need to add a bit of verb, chorus, and sustain, in a few places. I might punch in heavier on key words as well.
On the 'daydreams', I'd be a bit more heavy on the chorus, and add a bit more of an echo/hall effect. Would definately suggest a little layering in the vocal area, and maybe a background layer.
On the last breakdown, I might re-do the vocal sections there, sounds like you are trying to keep tune/rythm to the track playing. Imagine the music doesn't exist, just your voice, and sing it as a full out scat. Let it flow, and then adjust the music around it.
Gonna be an excellent tune when alls done me thinks
W.
muzeman
New member
This is an instrumental I did on my 4-track.
I was playing around with new strings and open D tuning.
I thought I posted it last night,must have forgotten to hit send.
(Duh)
http://www.nowhereradio.com/petelaitesingles
It's the second version of Amazing Grace.
Thanks,
Pete
I was playing around with new strings and open D tuning.
I thought I posted it last night,must have forgotten to hit send.
(Duh)http://www.nowhereradio.com/petelaitesingles
It's the second version of Amazing Grace.
Thanks,
Pete
A1A2
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TheRealWaldo
New member
muzeman,
Amazing Grace - I'd turn down the rhythm guits a bit and boost the lead. The mix sounds a little hot, distortion on the rhythm guits. possibly due to that fact, could be the mic as well.
What sort of 4 track are you using? Analog? Mics?
W.
Amazing Grace - I'd turn down the rhythm guits a bit and boost the lead. The mix sounds a little hot, distortion on the rhythm guits. possibly due to that fact, could be the mic as well.
What sort of 4 track are you using? Analog? Mics?
W.
TheRealWaldo
New member
a1a2,
Departure - Very interesting, synthed choral? Drums are hella early 80's fakish...
Overall volume was good until it his about 1:00, drums are pushed way in the back. Sounds as though you are pushing the instrumentation around quite a bit, shifting in and out, one side to the next, maybe a bit much. Lead needs to be brought forward. Need some lower eq. in there, spectrum is on the tinny side, as though I'm listening through cheapo realistic speakers (which I am happy to say, I am not )
2:47 sounds like a whole different set of drums, this time closer to real.. Overall volume improves, guits still pushed back... Sounds like 2 different songs, at least 2 totally different recording sessions, strung together? Drums too center, forward at this point.
Definate distortion on the lower keys of the piano. Could be the tremelo.
There's a hollow spot on the spectrum, might fill it in with a bit of middle eq. on instrumentation.
Around 6:00, the lead guit. is too far back again. The vibrato on the rythm guit gets a bit much every now and then. Nice effect, but a tiny bit too heavy. Sounds like it was maxing inputs and clipping before it hit the recording, it's chopping out the whole mix with it's power. At times it sounds synthed... Is it?
Lead needs to be brought out, and eq'd a bit more to the middle.
First section needs the most work, use the same drums all the way through (second set), comes across as though it wasn't thought out.
Mp3 cuts out pretty quick at the end, might wanna check into that. Really abrupt.
Nice instrumental value, I think when balanced out, it'll be a nice tune to cry over after getting dumped
W.
Departure - Very interesting, synthed choral? Drums are hella early 80's fakish...
Overall volume was good until it his about 1:00, drums are pushed way in the back. Sounds as though you are pushing the instrumentation around quite a bit, shifting in and out, one side to the next, maybe a bit much. Lead needs to be brought forward. Need some lower eq. in there, spectrum is on the tinny side, as though I'm listening through cheapo realistic speakers (which I am happy to say, I am not
)2:47 sounds like a whole different set of drums, this time closer to real.. Overall volume improves, guits still pushed back... Sounds like 2 different songs, at least 2 totally different recording sessions, strung together? Drums too center, forward at this point.
Definate distortion on the lower keys of the piano. Could be the tremelo.
There's a hollow spot on the spectrum, might fill it in with a bit of middle eq. on instrumentation.
Around 6:00, the lead guit. is too far back again. The vibrato on the rythm guit gets a bit much every now and then. Nice effect, but a tiny bit too heavy. Sounds like it was maxing inputs and clipping before it hit the recording, it's chopping out the whole mix with it's power. At times it sounds synthed... Is it?
Lead needs to be brought out, and eq'd a bit more to the middle.
First section needs the most work, use the same drums all the way through (second set), comes across as though it wasn't thought out.
Mp3 cuts out pretty quick at the end, might wanna check into that. Really abrupt.
Nice instrumental value, I think when balanced out, it'll be a nice tune to cry over after getting dumped
W.
TheRealWaldo
New member
a1a2,
Old Fishman - Needs to be normalized a bit higher. Overall a tiny bit muddy. Turn up the bass. Drums need some kick, sounds like brushes were used, fine, but the kick needs to be turned up, might balance them out a bit by bringing the toms up a bit as well.
Volume/panning varies too much on the guit, could work if it was a constant note, or no breaks between chords, just doesn't fit here.
1:50 mud dies, 2:10 scream scared the shit outta me... Background effect in the quiet part there after (feedback on guit I think) turn it up a bit, sounds cool. Male scream at 3:20 or there abouts, turn it up to match the female scream, scare the crap outta me again, I dare ya
1:54 drums kick is better than before, consistency my friend!
4:10 there's the kick I was talking about on the drums. Samples huh? Use throughout, not just them last few seconds. I could see a nice kick,kick, pause, kick kick, pause, working in there (as it is, just a better kick). The thunder/rain is a tiny bit over-powering, maybe turn down a tiny bit, I do kinda like the panning you did on that.
Another tune with a spacey, etherial feel. And a bit of horror to spice it up. A nice little groovy feel at the beginning... Feels like a story told with music
W.
Old Fishman - Needs to be normalized a bit higher. Overall a tiny bit muddy. Turn up the bass. Drums need some kick, sounds like brushes were used, fine, but the kick needs to be turned up, might balance them out a bit by bringing the toms up a bit as well.
Volume/panning varies too much on the guit, could work if it was a constant note, or no breaks between chords, just doesn't fit here.
1:50 mud dies, 2:10 scream scared the shit outta me... Background effect in the quiet part there after (feedback on guit I think) turn it up a bit, sounds cool. Male scream at 3:20 or there abouts, turn it up to match the female scream, scare the crap outta me again, I dare ya
1:54 drums kick is better than before, consistency my friend!
4:10 there's the kick I was talking about on the drums. Samples huh? Use throughout, not just them last few seconds. I could see a nice kick,kick, pause, kick kick, pause, working in there (as it is, just a better kick). The thunder/rain is a tiny bit over-powering, maybe turn down a tiny bit, I do kinda like the panning you did on that.
Another tune with a spacey, etherial feel. And a bit of horror to spice it up. A nice little groovy feel at the beginning... Feels like a story told with music
W.
muzeman
New member
Waldo,
The recorder was a 424mk3,I used to redline the meters,I guess to much that time.
The mic is a Blue Dragonfly,through a DBX mini pre.
BTW:The sites really looking cool!
Thanks,
Pete
The recorder was a 424mk3,I used to redline the meters,I guess to much that time.
The mic is a Blue Dragonfly,through a DBX mini pre.
BTW:The sites really looking cool!
Thanks,
Pete
TheRealWaldo
New member
muzeman,
in the red no good Just before red good
W.
in the red no good
Just before red good W.
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Shaky Tee
Between being and nothing
Hey Waldo
Thank you very much for your feedback!
I'm going to try working on this again this weekend, and hopefully have another version put up sometime next week.
Cheers!
Thank you very much for your feedback!
I'm going to try working on this again this weekend, and hopefully have another version put up sometime next week.
Cheers!
A1A2
New member
Waldo:
Thanks for the feeback. I just got my gears upgraded! or I should say, I finally got gears lol. GIve me a couple months and you will hear the difference
Thanks for the feeback. I just got my gears upgraded! or I should say, I finally got gears lol. GIve me a couple months and you will hear the difference
laj35
New member
Allright Waldo,
Just signed up on NWR, thanks alot, it's a really nice site.
This is the first stuff I've ever posted, may not be your cup of tea but it is different and shouldn't annoy you though it might be a little slow moving. There are three tracks, "German Wind..." was made entirely on Fruity Loops the rest are a conglomerate of hard/software I/we use. Just wondering your thoughts on the sound in general, only been makin tunes for about a year now so go easy! Thanks for takin the time man!
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/2/1335/singles.shtml
Laj
Just signed up on NWR, thanks alot, it's a really nice site.
This is the first stuff I've ever posted, may not be your cup of tea but it is different and shouldn't annoy you though it might be a little slow moving. There are three tracks, "German Wind..." was made entirely on Fruity Loops the rest are a conglomerate of hard/software I/we use. Just wondering your thoughts on the sound in general, only been makin tunes for about a year now so go easy! Thanks for takin the time man!
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/2/1335/singles.shtml
Laj
TheRealWaldo
New member
Laj,
Oops, I almost let this one slip! Sorry man. Tuning in now.
Czentre - Very rich bass, made me feel like I was sitting beside a massive nuclear engine.
The 'drum' sounds in the 1:--2:00 range are hidden? Sounds like a click track left in the mix.. Although it's probably really low appreg. I'd either remove them or spice them up. Kinda nix's the smooth ambience of the tune.
Song picks up around 3:00, goes a different route, nice fake drop-out, swings the mood around a bit. The bg piano isn't in rythm with the beat, nor is the other sounds. Those 'drum' sounds are back around 5, piano slows down, but the beat does not... If I were to categorize the style, I would call it 'ambient noise', since there appears to be a lack of simbiance between the orchestral properties of the tune. But it is a nice effect, not really my style.
German Wind At The Bongo Bbq - I have a feeling there is a few samples you really like to use Much more rythmic in the introduction. I might quiet down that break down with the false snare in between 2:20 and the next one around 2:40, it's a bit striking and obvious.
Possibly eq. the synth lead down a bit, distanced a bit far from the rest of the mix. Increase the overall bass value in this one, it gets a bit on the high side of piercing.
A little closer to 'techno', but slowed down to ambient I would say.
Streams - Got the whale effect running For a trancey tune, that underlaying beat gets the heart pumping... Intention to throw a person into a thoughtful spasm? Neat effect, can't whine much about the mix, other than top side gets to be a bit much every now and then, might cut the ceiling a bit.
Keep in mind, Electronic is something EXTREMELY difficult for me to critique, source is electronic, samples, many many tracks, many things happening at the same time, so I don't usually comment on them. I liked these pieces, but it is not my genre of choice
W.
Oops, I almost let this one slip! Sorry man. Tuning in now.
Czentre - Very rich bass, made me feel like I was sitting beside a massive nuclear engine.
The 'drum' sounds in the 1:--2:00 range are hidden? Sounds like a click track left in the mix.. Although it's probably really low appreg. I'd either remove them or spice them up. Kinda nix's the smooth ambience of the tune.
Song picks up around 3:00, goes a different route, nice fake drop-out, swings the mood around a bit. The bg piano isn't in rythm with the beat, nor is the other sounds. Those 'drum' sounds are back around 5, piano slows down, but the beat does not... If I were to categorize the style, I would call it 'ambient noise', since there appears to be a lack of simbiance between the orchestral properties of the tune. But it is a nice effect, not really my style.
German Wind At The Bongo Bbq - I have a feeling there is a few samples you really like to use
Much more rythmic in the introduction. I might quiet down that break down with the false snare in between 2:20 and the next one around 2:40, it's a bit striking and obvious. Possibly eq. the synth lead down a bit, distanced a bit far from the rest of the mix. Increase the overall bass value in this one, it gets a bit on the high side of piercing.
A little closer to 'techno', but slowed down to ambient I would say.
Streams - Got the whale effect running
For a trancey tune, that underlaying beat gets the heart pumping... Intention to throw a person into a thoughtful spasm? Neat effect, can't whine much about the mix, other than top side gets to be a bit much every now and then, might cut the ceiling a bit.Keep in mind, Electronic is something EXTREMELY difficult for me to critique, source is electronic, samples, many many tracks, many things happening at the same time, so I don't usually comment on them. I liked these pieces, but it is not my genre of choice
W.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
W. ...another for your purusal....
some 'Don Johnson' music from da past...
this is posted on another thread...but you mentioned you liked the direct approach....[i.e....ask ya! ]
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/9/1322/singles.shtml
this one is called "Victory"
there's another tune melded in there too, btw.
some 'Don Johnson' music from da past...
this is posted on another thread...but you mentioned you liked the direct approach....[i.e....ask ya!
]http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/9/1322/singles.shtml
this one is called "Victory"
there's another tune melded in there too, btw.
gmiller1122
Addled but happy
VOX -
I REALLY like something wrong! At first, the chorus seemed a bit too different from the rest, but after a few listens, it all flows together very nicely.
Thanks for the listen!
I REALLY like something wrong! At first, the chorus seemed a bit too different from the rest, but after a few listens, it all flows together very nicely.
Thanks for the listen!
gmiller1122
Addled but happy
My first efforts...I'm really interested in what you think of the composition and songwriting. I know the recording needs loads of work.
http://gwilliker.tripod.com/index/index.html
http://gwilliker.tripod.com/index/index.html
laj35
New member
Thanks waldo, you really know your tunes man. You pretty well picked those tunes apart and deciphered almost exactly what I was trying to do, I'm impressed! The "click track" you reffered to in the first tune is there almost intentionally to throw of the ambience of the track, it's really a pretty unsettling song the more I come to grips with it, but hey that was where I was at I guess. The lack of simbiance in the rythym is testimate to 1.) my lack of playing experience and 2.) my disdain with MIDI in a genre very dependant on it. I've gotten some feedback regarding the low-end being to overpowering at times and though I've tested the track on various sound systems I have yet to on some really nice monitors, and was wondering what you thought? Any ideas on how to smooth that bass out without losing the warmth?
The second track is definitely very high-end. I guess that's what I was again trying to do, pierce ears unexpectedly. Eventually I want to get into having sounds that are so high pitched you almost can't hear them but they tweak your ears so as to open them (your ears that is) to a broader range of hearing. A very ridiculous concept I suppose but listening to some Radiohead makes me think it's not such a hypothetical idea, we'll see that's a long ways away. The snare build is very cheesy I know and will have to be remedied, EQ may do the trick but I don't like it all that much in general, the idea yeah, but the result, no not really. It's just a FL song so I guess it turned out alright.
The third track is definitely, as you put it "Intent[ed] to throw a person into a thoughtful spasm?" Will look at chopping down the roof a bit.
Waldo, I must say that for someone who puts a "disclaimer" of sorts in their critique that they don't do it often , you really saw right through to the concept behind each one. Your ideas were very thoughtful and helpful. I'm not really a pure electronic dude. Radiohead, for instance, while not being a typical rock band, is the love of my life. I really need feedback from guys like you who know their music but aren't into electronica. I wonder what you think could be done to make it a bit more accesible? I know it's not the type of stuff that's gonna sell 100's of thousands of records, I just wonder what vexes a guy like yourself in regards to electronic music, not to say you don't like any electronic stuff, but what would an ambient tune have to do to really make you enjoy it? I'm of course not gonna dramatically change my sound to cater to the masses, I just wonder if it's possible for a good old Rock&Roller to get into music that is purely synthetic, if it is PLAYED not just arranged, and just what it would take. And any other of y'all besides Waldo who have some thoughts fire away. I really appreciate you takin the time to listen and your ideas, thanks a ton!!!
Laj
The second track is definitely very high-end. I guess that's what I was again trying to do, pierce ears unexpectedly. Eventually I want to get into having sounds that are so high pitched you almost can't hear them but they tweak your ears so as to open them (your ears that is) to a broader range of hearing. A very ridiculous concept I suppose but listening to some Radiohead makes me think it's not such a hypothetical idea, we'll see that's a long ways away. The snare build is very cheesy I know and will have to be remedied, EQ may do the trick but I don't like it all that much in general, the idea yeah, but the result, no not really. It's just a FL song so I guess it turned out alright.
The third track is definitely, as you put it "Intent[ed] to throw a person into a thoughtful spasm?" Will look at chopping down the roof a bit.
Waldo, I must say that for someone who puts a "disclaimer" of sorts in their critique that they don't do it often , you really saw right through to the concept behind each one. Your ideas were very thoughtful and helpful. I'm not really a pure electronic dude. Radiohead, for instance, while not being a typical rock band, is the love of my life. I really need feedback from guys like you who know their music but aren't into electronica. I wonder what you think could be done to make it a bit more accesible? I know it's not the type of stuff that's gonna sell 100's of thousands of records, I just wonder what vexes a guy like yourself in regards to electronic music, not to say you don't like any electronic stuff, but what would an ambient tune have to do to really make you enjoy it? I'm of course not gonna dramatically change my sound to cater to the masses, I just wonder if it's possible for a good old Rock&Roller to get into music that is purely synthetic, if it is PLAYED not just arranged, and just what it would take. And any other of y'all besides Waldo who have some thoughts fire away. I really appreciate you takin the time to listen and your ideas, thanks a ton!!!
Laj
TheRealWaldo
New member
mixmkr,
Reminded me of a theme song for a tv show or something in the intro... I remember somewhat, but can't place it. Amazing grace is blended in there
I can't critique the mix today, as I did the dumbass last night and forgot my ear-plugs and did a show... So, my ear is a bit dampered at the moment I'll get to you again ASAP.
gmiller,
As I stated above, I'll get to listening again really soon. I was even supposed to be in the recording studio today, but wasn't confident enough given the ear and the HUGE hangover that seems to have come along with the festivities...
Laj,
Thanks for the confidence, I'll get back to you ASAP as well.
W.
Reminded me of a theme song for a tv show or something in the intro... I remember somewhat, but can't place it. Amazing grace is blended in there
I can't critique the mix today, as I did the dumbass last night and forgot my ear-plugs and did a show... So, my ear is a bit dampered at the moment
I'll get to you again ASAP.gmiller,
As I stated above, I'll get to listening again really soon. I was even supposed to be in the recording studio today, but wasn't confident enough given the ear and the HUGE hangover that seems to have come along with the festivities...
Laj,
Thanks for the confidence, I'll get back to you ASAP as well.
W.
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
Here you go Waldo.
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/8/1331/singles.shtml
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/8/1331/singles.shtml