I Need The Proper Microphone To Record Rap Vocals

[tone_aot]

This is a crazy thread. It amazes me how people hate certain genres of music. I like to call myself an open minded music lover/musician. I'm not a diehard country fan, but i appreciate it as a different musical flavor. Seems like it would be boring to be stuck in one genre of music all your life. I admit, the "rap mic" threads are out of hand. Regardless, alot of people from all genres ask what is the best mic. So, all we have to do is direct them to the faq site everytime unless there is a specific need that they are looking for that is explained completely in their first post. Also i seen someone complain about repetitive tr808 sounds. That tells me that person bases rap on the commercial crap that is out now. Rap did start out with the tr808 but since then new sounds and styles have been implemented in the process of making rap instrumentals. When it's said and done, i appreciate a song with meaningful lyrics that make you think and atleast decent music. There is atlease one song like that in every genre. There's nothing too meaningful about "lean wit it rock wit it" but if you dive into some artists like nas, jay z, talib kwali, the roots, common, etc., they have very deep intellectual lyrics that the "party rap" crowd usually don't understand. Especially nas. What they do is make the "party songs" so people will buy their albums and ultimately the buyers will hear their real stuff after the "party tracks".

 

[boingoman]

I just lost my appetite. How in the world did you come up with that combination of words? That is gross!! LOL!

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/145600.html

 

[blueroommusic]

he's just another one of those fucking pathological liars. I've had about 35% of every rapper I have ever met tell me they have a "development deal" with some "big label". He's just pissed because he hasn't recorded in a big studio since he was 16 (obviously, or he might have picked up a thing or two), he doesn't have "money", and "bitches" definitely don't want to suck on his "nut juice". He's probably just one of another trillion wannabe's living in their mamma's basement, selling dope. blah, blah, blah. all I hear is a bunch of bullshit....

oh, and BTW, quit calling us "niggaz"...we are just people.

 

[Monkey Allen]

was that really needed..... he asked a simple question..... if ur tired of seeing these post then why even come into the topic?

Because it really shouldn't be any skin off anyone's nose.

 

[Reggie]

This guy sounds like a real character. I like him; he can even call me a n***a. Few posts are as entertaining as this one. Perhaps here we will even get to the bottom of the "best rap mic" question once and for all...


PS: Please don't shoot me. I don't typically carry my deer rifle around with me on the street for protection. Never occurred to me I guess.

 

[chessrock]

PS: Please don't shoot me. I don't typically carry my deer rifle around with me on the street for protection. Never occurred to me I guess.

Deer Rifle! roflmao

Is that an admission to your inclination towards ... COUNTRY MUSIC by chance? ? ?

If so, then keep in mind we don't take too kindly to you foot-stompin' boot-skootin' banjo-pluckers around these parts. You're liable to run in to some serious resistance if you want to ask what the best mic is for bluegrass vocals, buddy.

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[dgatwood]

I'm as far from a racist as they come... Rap isn't a race... it's just 98% Black. So I get the feeling when people bitch about rap they are really saying "I don't like it that I know music but that damn nig*er who can't play an instrument is famous." At least that's what I take from it.

Change:

n***** -> loser
rapper -> pop star

And one could make the same comment.

I don't think anybody who takes shots at rap on here is making a comment about race. They're making a comment about the clueless comments that we keep seeing on the boards. Whenever somebody asks a question that has been asked a thousand times before, somebody invariably asks the person what genre he/she is recording, and 99% of the time, the answer is rap.

I don't think anybody here thinks that all rappers are clueless. We just think that most of the clueless people on the boards are rappers (and/or long-time posters pretending to be clueless people; those are amusing). Those two statements are NOT the same thing! There are a lot of people who do rap recording on these boards who do have a clue, and I don't think anyone would make a negative generalization towards all rappers.

The boards are race neutral. We can't tell if you're a black rapper or a white rapper (or even some other color). All we can tell is that our perception of rappers as a group has been sullied by our experience on these boards: a lot of rappers come on here and ask the same questions that have been asked over and over and over instead of using the "search" feature. Heck, half the time, there's a post on the same subject ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE FORUM!

Before you can change the world, you must first change yourself. If you want people on this board to have a better opinion of rappers, join the rest of the board in jerking a knot in the spoilers---the small number of rappers who come on these boards and act like idiots. Or just sit back and laugh as the rest of us do it. Either way, just know that we're not attacking you or rappers in general. We're attacking clueless people who don't bother to search.

(Or at least that's what I'm doing. I don't know about the rest of you racist losers. )

Cheers.

 

[Reggie]

Deer Rifle! roflmao

Is that an admission to your inclination towards ... COUNTRY MUSIC by chance? ? ?

If so, then keep in mind we don't take too kindly to you foot-stompin' boot-skootin' banjo-pluckers around these parts. You're liable to run in to some serious resistance if you want to ask what the best mic is for bluegrass vocals, buddy.

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Nah fool! I jus like killin dem nuthugger-juice drinkin deer muthaf****s. The deerwoods is my ghetto. I ain't really into dat cracker music.

thudy aht SIX bust a cap foo!

 

[jonnyc]

This is a crazy thread. It amazes me how people hate certain genres of music. I like to call myself an open minded music lover/musician. I'm not a diehard country fan, but i appreciate it as a different musical flavor. Seems like it would be boring to be stuck in one genre of music all your life. I admit, the "rap mic" threads are out of hand. Regardless, alot of people from all genres ask what is the best mic. So, all we have to do is direct them to the faq site everytime unless there is a specific need that they are looking for that is explained completely in their first post. Also i seen someone complain about repetitive tr808 sounds. That tells me that person bases rap on the commercial crap that is out now. Rap did start out with the tr808 but since then new sounds and styles have been implemented in the process of making rap instrumentals. When it's said and done, i appreciate a song with meaningful lyrics that make you think and atleast decent music. There is atlease one song like that in every genre. There's nothing too meaningful about "lean wit it rock wit it" but if you dive into some artists like nas, jay z, talib kwali, the roots, common, etc., they have very deep intellectual lyrics that the "party rap" crowd usually don't understand. Especially nas. What they do is make the "party songs" so people will buy their albums and ultimately the buyers will hear their real stuff after the "party tracks".

Thanks for the lesson, and most of us really do know this, and some us do respect certain aspects of hiphop. As stated though I hate what rap has turned into with a passion but I despise country on a totally different level(hate isn't even strong enough). But I do respect artists you've mentioned, in fact, at one point in time I ONLY listened to rap. I was the kid making fun of the kids at school wearing Megadeath shirts. The first rap tape I ever owned was Run DMC "Raising Hell". Now that should show some of you how far back I go. I stopped listening to rap right around the time all the "dirty south" bullshit started. You'll occasional hear me playing some Mos Def, Talib, Deltron, even some Wu Tang on occasion. But why do rappers come on here and get all pissed off when people say they don't like rap, I'm sure a lot of rappers don't like Emo, or Blues, or Country. Does that make them racist?

Sorry that this post has turned into gibberish, I'm usually known for that and have trouble putting my thoughts together coherently. However to all "rappers" out there. STOP REFERING TO US AS RACIST. There isn't a post on here that has anything to do with racism, therefore should never be brought up. It's a fucking loser's comeback plain and simple.

 

[fraserhutch]

The reason I hate rap is not because it's roots are in the black community, or that many black people have become "famous" even though I consider them lesser musicians. It's because I appreciate music with a melody and an interesting harmonic structure. I believe rap is ruining that (note the emphasis on I BELIEVE). I also believe that rap is dumbing down music, and I guess that is what I really have issues with - that and the fact that most practitioner's seem to be only interested in the music in order to get rich/famous quickly. Look at how many people are worried about copyrighting/publishing/ their work and getting a record deal long before they have developed any meaningful skills. It'as all about the business.

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of crap in ANY genre. But to me, rap celebrates and embraces that which I despise. There may be one or two decent works, I dunno, I haven't heard them.

There is no arguing that certain rapper's lyrics are intersting. But that's what it is - poetry. It is not music to me.

Now, this is probably the first time I have mentioned that I don't like rap on this board- and that's because I don't believe I can speak for anyone else. BUT, whenever some moron comes along and says that "if you hate a genre you're an idiot", I take umbrage. I hate the genre because of what it musicially represents. It has NOTHING to do with race.

And I will tell you that hip/hop/rap is the ONLY genre that I feel this way about.

FWIW, I also do not believe a rap can be called a song. A song is SUNG, and it has a melody.

All this is of course, my opinion, and worth every cent you paid for it.

This is a crazy thread. It amazes me how people hate certain genres of music. I like to call myself an open minded music lover/musician. I'm not a diehard country fan, but i appreciate it as a different musical flavor. Seems like it would be boring to be stuck in one genre of music all your life. I admit, the "rap mic" threads are out of hand. Regardless, alot of people from all genres ask what is the best mic. So, all we have to do is direct them to the faq site everytime unless there is a specific need that they are looking for that is explained completely in their first post. Also i seen someone complain about repetitive tr808 sounds. That tells me that person bases rap on the commercial crap that is out now. Rap did start out with the tr808 but since then new sounds and styles have been implemented in the process of making rap instrumentals. When it's said and done, i appreciate a song with meaningful lyrics that make you think and atleast decent music. There is atlease one song like that in every genre. There's nothing too meaningful about "lean wit it rock wit it" but if you dive into some artists like nas, jay z, talib kwali, the roots, common, etc., they have very deep intellectual lyrics that the "party rap" crowd usually don't understand. Especially nas. What they do is make the "party songs" so people will buy their albums and ultimately the buyers will hear their real stuff after the "party tracks".

 

[mrT]

The reason I hate rap is not because it's roots are in the black community, or that many black people have become "famous" even though I consider them lesser musicians. It's because I appreciate music a melody and an interesting harmonic structure. I believe rap is ruining that. Note the emphasis on I BELIEVE. I also believe that rap is dumbing down music, and I guess that is what I really have issues with. That and the fact that most practitioner's seem to be interested no in the music as much as the get rich/famous quickly. Look at how many people are worried about copyrighting/.publishing/ their work and getting a record deal long before they have developed any meaningful skills. It'as all about the business.

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of crap in ANY genre. But to me, rap celebrates and embraces that which I despise. There may be one or two decent works, I dunno, I haven't heard them.

There is no arguing that certain rapper's lyrics are intersting. But that's what it is - poetry. It is not music for me.

Now, this is probably the first time Ihave mentioned that I don't like rap - I don't believe I can speak for anyone else. BUT, whenever some moron comes along and says that "if you hate a genre you're an idiot", I take umbrage. I hate the genre because of what it musicially represents. It has NOTHING to do with race.

And I will tell you that hip/hop/rap is the ONLY genre that I feel this way about.

FWIW, I also do not believe a rap can be called a song. A song is SUNG, and it has a melody.

All this is of course, my opinion, and worth every cent you paid for it.

to say that something is automaticly bad just because it is in a certain genre is ignorant. so I stand by my comment. Mostly I think it is an inability to relate to rap. You don't understand where they're coming from so you think it has no worth. It reminds me of everyone who likes to bash modern art.

Too many of you guys have no clue what goes into making hip hop. So you think that all it is it putting some cheesy midi on an 808 and getting someone to rap over it. And for some that is pretty much what they do (I don't like down south shit either). But there are a number of very talented artists that make good shit. not only rappers but the producers (rock equilivent of the arranger/songwriter). There is a lot less demand placed on the artist and much much more placed on the engineer and producer (since they are the ones REALLY making hip hop [not the rappers]). Point being you are so fixated on the rapper (and your dissaproval of their lifestyle) that you don't see that the rapper is only %25 of the entire production (with some exceptions). So you hate a whole genre of music because of this???

Now I'm not talking about Pop bullshit here either. Pop bullshit is Pop bullshit in any genre. They all have it. But I still have yet to hear one genre that I dissliked in it's entirety every time. And I think a great deal of you rap haters wouldn't hate it so bad if you understood it.

which sometimes... just maybe... could have something to do with being majority middle class and white...but I guess pointing out the obvious is me being rediculous. Not saying everyone is in that boat but don't act like you judged rap on its true merits or that race had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[fraserhutch]

Did you even read a word I wrote? Apparently not.

So who's ignorant? Or mightily insecure?

Who the fuck said anything about rap being bad? And I NEVER said anything about the lifestyle. I did say things about the motivation for being involed iun making rap/hiphop.

I am intimately aware of what goes into making hip-hop, thank you very much. I have actually been in on a few hop-hop sessions.

Jesus, get a clue. I don't like rap/hip hop based ENTIRELY on it's "true merits".

Once again, your racism wins out. You don't know ANYTHING about me.

to say that something is automaticly bad just because it is in a certain genre is ignorant. so I stand by my comment. Mostly I think it is an inability to relate to rap. You don't understand where they're coming from so you think it has no worth. It reminds me of everyone who likes to bash modern art.

Too many of you guys have no clue what goes into making hip hop. So you think that all it is it putting some cheesy midi on an 808 and getting someone to rap over it. And for some that is pretty much what they do (I don't like down south shit either). But there are a number of very talented artists that make good shit. not only rappers but the producers (rock equilivent of the arranger/songwriter). There is a lot less demand placed on the artist and much much more placed on the engineer and producer (since they are the ones REALLY making hip hop [not the rappers]). Point being you are so fixated on the rapper (and your dissaproval of their lifestyle) that you don't see that the rapper is only %25 of the entire production (with some exceptions). So you hate a whole genre of music because of this???

Now I'm not talking about Pop bullshit here either. Pop bullshit is Pop bullshit in any genre. They all have it. But I still have yet to hear one genre that I dissliked in it's entirety every time. And I think a great deal of you rap haters wouldn't hate it so bad if you understood it.

which sometimes... just maybe... could have something to do with being majority middle class and white...but I guess pointing out the obvious is me being rediculous. Not saying everyone is in that boat but don't act like you judged rap on its true merits or that race had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[giraffe]

i play rock mostly, but the unfortunate truth about music right now is that advancements are being made almost solely in rap/hip-hop... mostly in the underground, the def juxt label and groups like clouddead and subtle come to mind.
not rock
not country
not jazz
not whatever the hell you listen to

so if you write of hip-hop/rap (whatever) completely, all your listening to is a bunch of re-hashed garbage (with a very few exceptions)

enjoy that.

 

[fraserhutch]

Yeah, right, sure, whatever.

i play rock mostly, but the unfortunate truth about music right now is that advancements are being made almost solely in rap/hip-hop... mostly in the underground, the def juxt label and groups like clouddead and subtle come to mind.
not rock
not country
not jazz
not whatever the hell you listen to

so if you write of hip-hop/rap (whatever) completely, all your listening to is a bunch of re-hashed garbage (with a very few exceptions)

enjoy that.

 

[mrT]

Fraserhutch... I read all of it.

let's go through it

The reason I hate rap is not because it's roots are in the black community, or that many black people have become "famous" even though I consider them lesser musicians.

fair enough... but you already said you think you are better than them. A group of almost entirely minorities. that doesn't even hint at racism (intended or not) I guess.

It's because I appreciate music with a melody and an interesting harmonic structure. I believe rap is ruining that (note the emphasis on I BELIEVE)

would it be a suprise if I told you a lot of rap does have just that. Or maybe you wouldn't know because you discount an entire genre of music because you don't like radio rap. (which is like hating all of rock & roll because you don't like nickleback, or all of country because you don't like Toby Keith)

I also believe that rap is dumbing down music, and I guess that is what I really have issues with

You can believe whatever you want but this statement is 100% bull shit.

that and the fact that most practitioner's seem to be only interested in the music in order to get rich/famous quickly.

Maybe most of the rap you've heard (not listened to) in passing sounds like that. I don't have much love for bling rappers either but this same thing happens in EVERY genre. KISS anyone... anyone?

Look at how many people are worried about copyrighting/publishing/ their work and getting a record deal long before they have developed any meaningful skills. It'as all about the business.

And you wouldn't be? Nothing wrong with protecting your stuff or trying to get a record deal. Actually I don't know very many people that don't want to try and get a deal.

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of crap in ANY genre. But to me, rap celebrates and embraces that which I despise. There may be one or two decent works, I dunno, I haven't heard them.

There are a lot more than that... and I think you hit the nail on head here. YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THEM. so you pretty much admit that your judgments are based on very limited knowledge.

There is no arguing that certain rapper's lyrics are intersting. But that's what it is - poetry. It is not music to me.

Vocals + percusion + backing music = MUSIC. I bet you like to go around saying "this isn't art" too.

Now, this is probably the first time I have mentioned that I don't like rap on this board- and that's because I don't believe I can speak for anyone else. BUT, whenever some moron comes along and says that "if you hate a genre you're an idiot", I take umbrage. I hate the genre because of what it musicially represents. It has NOTHING to do with race.

it's true... if you hate an entire genre you are an idiot. Any genre... not just rap. and how can it musically represent anything if you don't think it's even music?

and let's see. Every other point you made against rap applies to many other genres. I could say the same stuff about Rock/metal/country/etc. The only differnce I see in rap is your distaste for those that make it. That seems a little racist. I know nobody likes hearing that but sometimes the truth hurts. And no I don't know you but you could be married to a black women and I'd still say the same thing. Some racial issues are so deep inside you don't always see them. And I'm not saying you are a bad person. Just that this is a stupid way to look at a form of music and I believe it has more to do with your dislike of those who make the music and not the music itself.

And I will tell you that hip/hop/rap is the ONLY genre that I feel this way about.

FWIW, I also do not believe a rap can be called a song. A song is SUNG, and it has a melody.

what about an instrumental. are they SUNG? A lot does have a melody too. you just must not have heard it yet.

All this is of course, my opinion, and worth every cent you paid for it.

Finally... someting we can agree about

 

[Daniel Reichman]

um mrT, thanks, I guess.

The point of all the dissing of these threads is actually nothing to do with rap or race or merits of various styles of music. These threads get dissed because someone asks for champagne on beer money, insisting that it be comparable to Moet e Chandon. Not only that, they don't want to go through the process of actually trying out mics to suit their voice like most of us here did, they want to be told, buy this microphone and all your problems will be solved. So I stand by what I said earlier, if anyone asks for the best mic under $XXX for any style of music, I'm recommending the Wollensak.

 

[fraserhutch]

Geezus christ.

#1: I said that is NOT a reason I don't like rap. I did not say that I think they are all inferior musicians., It was listed as a reason in a prior post.

#2 I have listened to a fair amount of rap to have arrived at my conclusion. I stand by it.

#3 The fact that I don't like rap does not imply that I have not listened to it, or that I still do not on occasion listen to it. where did I ever say that? Your statement about my not having heard them is $100 bullshit. I have, and my opinion has not changed.

#4: If a music work is not sung, it is not a SONG. Where did I say it is not music? Get a grip.

You're such a rascist you cannot give credence to anyone else's opinion, or believe that it has validation. You read into things what you want to.

I never invalidated rap as a musical form. I never said that it sucked. I said I hated it. ANd even went to greeat pains to point out that it is my opiniuon. Yet little minds such as yours can't respect that, and in turn you call ME a rascist for it. I have NEVER brought race into this - YOU did.

So, welcome to my ignore list. I am out you're welcome to the last word. I am sure it will have something to do about my being a racist. If so, kindly fuck off.

 

[chessrock]

I think my general distaste for rap is rooted simply in the fact that rap is heavily lyric-based. And unfortunately, 99% of the time the lyrics just plain suck.

You can go ahead and point out the one or two exceptions all you want. You could also point out the one country song where someone isn't whining about something or being patriotic in their lyrics. Or the one or two times that a Republican politician has had an original thought.

If most of the rap lyrics out there suck, and most of the beats are tired ... what does that tell you? If anything, the lyrics in most rap music is actaully responsible for a certain amount of racism. Every negative stereotype that has ever been depicted of the African American is perpetuated in the lyrics of most every rap song.

The perception amongst people who don't know any better ... is that rappers are just in love with violence. When 9 out of 10 rappers use graphic depictions of violence and drugs as the central point of their lyrical content, what does that say about the people performing the music? It's obviously a topic that they are heavily preoccupied with and well-versed in.

I say if you want people to take you seriously ... as an artist and a human being ... then challenge us. Challenge us with lyrics that make us think. Challenge us with lyrics that are about love and harmony of fellow man ... and with lyrics about your goals, ambitions and hope. Not about the thug you want to put in a body bag and throw off a bridge. At one time, that may have been considered art. But it's been played out too many times, and now it's just noise.

.

 

[Daniel Reichman]

I say if you want people to take you seriously ... as an artist and a human being ... then challenge us. Challenge us with lyrics that make us think. Challenge us with lyrics that are about love and harmony of fellow man ... and with lyrics about your goals, ambitions and hope.

Yeah, but what microphone under $100 should they use?

 

[mrT]

To be honest I wasn't calling anyone a racist the first time specifically. I believe I said closet racist too... I do think a large number of people don't like it because of race and I've heard that very opinon many times. Every time they threw out the same justifications as you. So sorry. You might not be a racist you just sound like one.

and you ignoring me really hurts my feelings... really. I'm gonna go cry now because you can't take the heat.

oh... nice comeback too.

"oh yeah... well YOU'RE A RACIST."