I need help!!!

[Dogbreath]

OP.... (ahem)...

'you're gonna have to deal with the square room problems you're gonna have'.

Square rooms tend to be problematic as far as acoustics go. It's the bass freqs. They'll build up in the corners and skew your mixes.
As LT said, close miking will help. I see trial n error in your future whilst burning mixes to CD. But it's doable. Just don't get frustrated. It'll come.

 

[RAMI]

The carpet is wall to wall...the stuff on the wall goes under carpets...it deadens the sound of the room BUT from what I've just learned isn't safe.

A square room being less than ideal is not a matter of opinion, but whatever, it ain't my room. Just because a material deadens a room doesn't mean it deadens the frequencies you want deadened. It's going to make a room sound worse before it ever makes sound better. That, too, is not a matter of opinion. Room treatment isn't as simple as we'd like to think it is.

But, I'll let you guys have your thread back. I obviously mis-read the title. My bad.

 

[Lt. Bob]

What you call "negative", I call the truth. The title of his post was "I NEED HELP", not "PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

OP, forget everything I said. Your room dimensions are perfect. The foam crap you have on the walls is awesome. You might want to staple some egg cartons to the ceiling, too. I apologize. I have no idea what I was thinking.

dude ...... don't be obtuse ..... you know good and well what I was saying ..... no wait .... disregard what I was saying ..... your approach is perfect ...... you should go a little bit deeper into how poor a choice he made and I'm sure there must be other things about his room you don't like .....

 

[Lt. Bob]

A square room being less than ideal is not a matter of opinion, but whatever, it ain't my room. Just because a material deadens a room doesn't mean it deadens the frequencies you want deadened. It's going to make a room sound worse before it ever makes sound better. That, too, is not a matter of opinion. Room treatment isn't as simple as we'd like to think it is.

But, I'll let you guys have your thread back. I obviously mis-read the title. My bad.

RAMI ..... exactly what part of your posts offered any help? You don't see that? Only negative .... where's the help?

As for your ridiculous tirade that I meant for you to tell someone their square room is perfect when it's not, man .... you're one of my favorite guys here but right now you're just being silly .... I certainly put enough disclaimers in that it was only my opinion ..... so quit reacting like I told you your kids are ugly.

 

[miroslav]

This space is soley for me to cut demos and work on production for my clients.

This is a serious question....not trying to imply or say anything in-between the lines....just honestly curious about the biz side of your venture.

So at $600 a month...I assume you have clients already lined up since you will immediatly need to pay the bills (not sure what all is included with the $600)?
I'm just wondering if it's really that easy these days to cover studio bills (especially at NY prices), even for a basic "demo" studio setup?

That said...(not trying to be negative, just looking at the reality)...even basic demo clients will probably expect a somewhat formal "studio" setup, since you obviously need to charge them $$$ (so you can cover the bills).
Is it that lucrative in NYC...?...that you can put up a couple of basic small rooms as a studio, and still make enough money to pay the rent (honest question)?

Just trying to gauge how much of this is sure thing for you....and how much of it is an experiment, and then if the clients and $$$ are not there, you can just bail out of the rented space?

I'm asking all this because generally...studio sessions and paying customers are WAY down these days...partly due to the economy, partly due to the state of the music biz, and partly due to many people doing "demo grade" stuff in their bedrooms and basments.

I'm not near NYC (I'm up in the Hudson Valley)...so of course, the studio biz is even less lucrative up here, but reason I was asking is because I already have the studio digs, just never could see a real profit VS the hassle and headaches....so I've just kept it for my personal projects, but have considered a few times opening the doors for outside work.
I guess that's the price of needing to turn a profit to pay the bills...you take what you can get when starting out.

 

[RAMI]

RAMI ..... exactly what part of your posts offered any help? You don't see that? Only negative .... where's the help?

Telling him his room isn't ideal and that the material on the wall is shit IS helping him, and I'm not the only one that told him that. But I guess you feel like coming after me today. If you don't see how I was being helpful, you obviously don't want to see it.
It's extremely helpful. So were the others that told him the same thing.

As for your ridiculous tirade

HAHA! Yeah, I really went on a tirade there, it was so brutal....gimme a break.

you're one of my favorite guys here but right now you're just being silly

That's funny, that's exactly what I was going to tell you, because you are.

.... I certainly put enough disclaimers in that it was only my opinion ..... so quit reacting like I told you your kids are ugly.

And I was just stating mine. I'm not the one that went on a "tirade" about how much it bothers you when people rain on someone's parade, mentioning members like QQ......Don't worry about my reaction, yours needs some looking into, if you're able to do that. You got a case of T.M. today?

This is pretty funny.

OP, just so you know, we ALL tell people that a square room is not good. I guess it's only ok to tell people that when they're not paying for the room. But telling someone the same truth when they're renting the room for a few hundred bucks is a no-no. Something about hurting someone's feelings or something.

UN-SUBSCRIBED. I'm not going to get into with someone I like just because he has a pet peeve and woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

 

[Lt. Bob]

I'm not going to get into with someone I like just because he has a pet peeve and woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

LOL .... as if I MUST be mad or got up on the wrong side of the bed simply because I said something critical about a post of yours!

 

[dremur]

This is a serious question....not trying to imply or say anything in-between the lines....just honestly curious about the biz side of your venture.

So at $600 a month...I assume you have clients already lined up since you will immediatly need to pay the bills (not sure what all is included with the $600)?
I'm just wondering if it's really that easy these days to cover studio bills (especially at NY prices), even for a basic "demo" studio setup?

That said...(not trying to be negative, just looking at the reality)...even basic demo clients will probably expect a somewhat formal "studio" setup, since you obviously need to charge them $$$ (so you can cover the bills).
Is it that lucrative in NYC...?...that you can put up a couple of basic small rooms as a studio, and still make enough money to pay the rent (honest question)?

Just trying to gauge how much of this is sure thing for you....and how much of it is an experiment, and then if the clients and $$$ are not there, you can just bail out of the rented space?

I'm asking all this because generally...studio sessions and paying customers are WAY down these days...partly due to the economy, partly due to the state of the music biz, and partly due to many people doing "demo grade" stuff in their bedrooms and basments.

I'm not near NYC (I'm up in the Hudson Valley)...so of course, the studio biz is even less lucrative up here, but reason I was asking is because I already have the studio digs, just never could see a real profit VS the hassle and headaches....so I've just kept it for my personal projects, but have considered a few times opening the doors for outside work.
I guess that's the price of needing to turn a profit to pay the bills...you take what you can get when starting out.

I get exactly what your saying chief and your right. This isn't a open a studio and get get rich scheme, this is my personal space for my production partners and I. Is there an opportunity to make some money yes, Will it cover my bills if I bring in enough clients yes, it can cover the bills. The $600 overhead covers all bills such as electricity, rent, internet etc. So there's money to be mad but its not a ton of money.

 

[Dogbreath]

In that case, probably the first thing I'd do is make some bass traps for the corners. That'd be a good starting point and then judge what else it needs from there. Check out GIK. They do acoustic stuff and Glen has a tutorial hootcher posted at the site. Good bunch of guys there too.

 

[Lt. Bob]

In that case, probably the first thing I'd do is make some bass traps for the corners. That'd be a good starting point and then judge what else it needs from there. Check out GIK. They do acoustic stuff and Glen has a tutorial hootcher posted at the site. Good bunch of guys there too.

^^^^^ this ^^^^^
As RAMI said ..... it's not easy to get it perfect but you can surely get it usable with a little study.

 

[Nebakanezer]

What's behind the carpet foam, drywall? And which way are you steering towards with regards to running cables between rooms? And what's the hallway like? Will you find that there will be times when you know no one will be disturbing it? So you can put a guitar cab in the hallway and record it along with the drums.

 

[JimmyS1969]

but it's safe when under carpet like it is everywhere that has carpet?

Sorry, late to the party.

Yes actually it is. Carpet is not safe on walls either. Fire code does not allow flammable materials on vertical surfaces. I assume it is because heat rises and brings fuel to a fire when it has direct access to oxygen. Light a candle on the floor, likely no issue. Light one next to a wall covered in flammable materials? Well...

An electrical issue at a wall outlet would likely pose no issue with drywall. Throw in some synthetic padding material? Ditto...

You seem a bit grumpy today Bob. You ok?

 

[Lt. Bob]

You seem a bit grumpy today Bob. You ok?

why does asking a perfectly legitimate question make folks think I'm grumpy?
You gave a reasonable answer that I had not thought of which means my question was an honest one and a genuine one also.

I got it ..... no asking questions or disagreeing with the regulars here .... gotcha .... I'll fall in line ...... wouldn't want anyone to think I'm grumpy by questioning anything.

 

[JimmyS1969]

why does asking a perfectly legitimate question make folks think I'm grumpy?
You gave a reasonable answer that I had not thought of which means my question was an honest one and a genuine one also.

I got it ..... no asking questions or disagreeing with the regulars here .... gotcha .... I'll fall in line ...... wouldn't want anyone to think I'm grumpy by questioning anything.

You are a 'regular' here Bob. I was just kidding with you man.

 

[Lt. Bob]

I was just kidding with you man.

didn't know .... I have recently been accused of being grumpy for questioning some things.