Huge influx of idiots to the forum? or just me?

[jerseyboy]

At the risk of maybe getting some bad rep and sounding like a douchebag..
i notice 90% of them are hip hoppers/beat-makers.
I hate that music!
Why on earth would i want to help people make shit music?
I just laugh to myself and go to the next thread w/o even replying!

then continue to do so and don't make such a stupid remark!!!

 

[jerseyboy]

no what you are talking about is RAP MUSIC.....HIP HOP isn't just about how many four letter words you can spit out. hip hop and rap music in myy book are not even close!

 

[Farview]

So, I have pretty much stopped helping newbies just because of that. If they would at least do a little bit of reading, ok. But some (most?) don't. They want everything spoon fed to them, and bitch at you if you call them on it.

Or they bitch at you when you give them the answer and it's not what they expected (read: more work) or not what they want to hear. A lot of these guys think it's easier than it is. Actually, I suppose it is pretty easy once you know what you are doing. Unfortunatley, it takes a long time to grasp everything you need to.

If you need professional results right now, hire a professional.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

People like Southside Glen are doing what I used to, and maybe in a year or two, will be mucking about too.

No "mucking about" (God, I LOVE you Brits. ) for me. When I get too bored with or too busy for this board, I'm gone. I had my share of "mucking about" online a few years ago; already got that out of my system.

I keep playing with the idea of writing an online reference guide to refer newbs to. Kind of what bear has done with his "Mixing 101" article but with more width in topics. But thre are a couple of things getting in my way: first, I don't have the time, second this is kind of what Bruce Miller is up to on his site, and third and FOREMOST, 99% of the folks everybody is whining about don't have the gumption to read. If they did, they wouldn't be asking these questions to begin with.

I just said this in another post earlier, but I think it bears repeating and expanding here since others have touched upon it:

The grand illusion that many of these folks are operating under is that because project studios have become affordable to Joe Punchclock, Sally Housecoat and their kid, Chad Slacker, that they think the task of audio engineering has become easy enough for them to perform without training.

They also expect computers to be miracle machines and do all the work for them. That's why half of them are asking for every plug-in under Creation and love crap like finalizers, automasterers, and any plugin with beaucoup presets. They expect to be able to be Georeg Martin without having to do any work or learn any techniques. These are usually the same ones who think that they were born with the general right endowed by the Creator to take whatever music and software they want for free, and who think that anybody who charges for their time as an engineer or who has sweated to pay for any board with more than 32 strips on it is the Capitalist Enemy to their anarchy of laziness.

Then they come on here and ask why their CD sounds like crap compared to the latest (their favorite band name here) CD, and call you a gear snob, or even worse, a skills snob, when you point out the obvious to them.

But you know what, guys and girls? This brand of rookies is not going to go away untl they have to live through their own form of hard times and actually learn the value of value. If you can't put up with them here in the meantime, then leave. God knows I will if/when I burn out on it. In the meantime, if you're going to stay, you can at least put up the good fight. It sure beats cracking snide remarks, passing chicklets back and forth and whining about it all the time.

Yes, I know, I've done my fair share of whining too. But at least I'm still in the arena.

G.

 

[gullyjewelz]

fuck em!!!

i cant stand when people jump up n down about what THEY think other people should do to learn what THEY already know . . . everyone learns in different ways, different settings and for different reasons . . .

if i feel soemone has asked a question with which i rather not be bothered . . guess what i do? ignore it . . . no need to shit on folk for asking questions . . . especially when they ask questions in places that are advertised and promoted as "learning centers"

i have learned a lot since i have been here . . . learned a lot from all the helpful people on here and i have even learned that there are more ways to learn even more . . . sometimes, all it takes is a link . . ..

and as far as not knowin shit about the gear one buys . . . if u dont know about the shit, u cant ask soemone how to do shit . . . i dotn mind sayin i was stupid as phuck when i first started doin shit on my own . . all i knew how to do was "whatever i observed" from other guys in studio settings . . . yea i could have picked up a book, but if you are not "mentally" ready for somethin . . . you still cant understand it . . there is shit that i have read in manuals this year that i am finally coming to understand -- though i first encountered it last year . . .
sometimes its just TIMING!!!

DAMM -- GIVE A MAAPHUCKA A BREAK!!! LET EM ASK . . if htey ask in the wrong room -- smack em around for that -- but not for asking what -- to them at that time -- is a VITAL question

and as far as hip hop being for the "dumb" . . . frankly, i hate bullshit rap songs . . but fuck folk who diss shit for the sake of makin themselves seem superior . . . there is "good" and "bad" artists, sub-genres in ALL types of music . . . dont fuck over hip hop for the radio-corporate-mongrel-minstrel shit . . . i certainly dont use jessica simpson as the yard stick to say all "rock" or "pop" etc. sux . . . seperate the real from the fake and keep it movin

 

[EddieRay]

Now if they een knew what Di stood for they could type it in and get over the 10 characters minimum hurdle

Actually, it's a 3 character minimum on searches, making it difficult to search on combinations like eq, 16, 24, hz, DI. And if everyone refers to it as "DI" then that's what you search on.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Then there are those who have the following word frequency in a single post:

bullsh*t: 1
d*mn: 1
f*ck: 5
sh*t: 8

G.

 

[LemonTree]

Actually, it's a 3 character minimum on searches, making it difficult to search on combinations like eq, 16, 24, hz, DI. And if everyone refers to it as "DI" then that's what you search on.

See this is exactly what I mean..... "Direct Injection" brings back 54 results, at least 20 of those threads had "DI" in the title

eq; try grahic eq, parametic eq, eq settings, etc
16; 16 bit? 16 track, 16ways to use the search feature

you get the picture?

 

[noisedude]

No "mucking about" (God, I LOVE you Brits. ) for me. When I get too bored with or too busy for this board, I'm gone. I had my share of "mucking about" online a few years ago; already got that out of my system.

I understand what you're saying, and I reckon you're right ... but I still enjoy the social aspect of this forum, and until Dragon tells me otherwise I will carry on coming on and chatting and goofing around even when I can't be bothered getting into 'What's the best cracked software for under a $100 condenser mic pre?' threads.

Oh, and in typing my last post at 2am, I managed to type that Spinsterwun was my online newbie forum brother ... when I actually meant the Green Hornet. Now that guy is FUNNY. Spinster ... he's a bit too cool for me to hang out with!!

Nik

 

[LfO]

...and a sticky on how to use the search feature for the rappers/hiphoppers

I wouldn't be so bold as to direct at any particular group , but I really think a sticky introductory thread in the newbies forum would be nice. It might be a nice place to write the unwritten "no crossposting" rule as well.

 

[mickee]

Ouf ! Are you ok Gullyjewelz ??

 

[EddieRay]

See this is exactly what I mean..... "Direct Injection" brings back 54 results, at least 20 of those threads had "DI" in the title

eq; try grahic eq, parametic eq, eq settings, etc
16; 16 bit? 16 track, 16ways to use the search feature

you get the picture?

Thanks but I already had it. "Direct Injection" is rarely present in the most useful discussions on DI. You can sure get a lot of hits on "16 bit" - too many. I recently needed to know something about 16 vs 24 bit conversion but the 3 char minimum would not allow really sharp searches I wanted to run.

 

[easychair]

Then there are those who have the following word frequency in a single post:

bullsh*t: 1
d*mn: 1
f*ck: 5
sh*t: 8

G.

I find that particularly annoying.

 

[LemonTree]

Thanks but I already had it. "Direct Injection" is rarely present in the most useful discussions on DI. You can sure get a lot of hits on "16 bit" - too many. I recently needed to know something about 16 vs 24 bit conversion but the 3 char minimum would not allow really sharp searches I wanted to run.

well a bit of common sense like trying "DI box" would have caught you enough reading for a month...it all comes down to common sense and all I was really trying to point out with this thread is, there seems to be a lack of that with newbies on the forum.

A good idea was suggested further back about a sticky in the newbie foum with some guidlines.......but hey....I still think a growing period of 5 to 10 posts in there before you graduate to being able to post in the main topics isn't such a bad idea.

Take this post in the Mic forum, the guys first post to the board asking how make a CD....in the MIC forum? come on....

 

[chessrock]

You can always tell when the Harmony Central Board's server is having problems. Wish we could get more of the Tape Op guys. I see Hamilton posting here sometimes. That's promising.

 

[juststartingout]

How many times over the past few weeks have I read....

I've just bought a £500 soundcard and a £600 sequencing program and a £300 microphone, where do I plug the mic and what do I press to make it work?


Is it just me?

I like to help out as much as I can around here with my limited knowlege but I'm starting to think new members should be restricted to the newbie forum untill they clock up a few posts and get some SEARCHING and reading under their belts

Actually, I would help with that question. The ones that drive me up a wall are on the guitar forum like "Who's better Jane or Jack" or the always poular "Which is better a red Squire or a blue Squire".

I don't think that racking up some posts would qualify someone either. The only thing that 1000 post proves is that you are spending too much time on the computer.

Now maybe everyone should submit some music to get into some type of "high end user forum". We could have our own real search engine and a special forum for naked groupie pictures.

 

[Renascent]

Ahh yes. While I'm not a pro on this forum, I'd consider myself pretty good on the Subaru car forums as I've owned a Subaru WRX for 3 years now and been working on them for 4 or 5 (Imprezas) Alot of the same questinos come up on the forums for cars, and alot more in common are the newbie questions. I don't think its just this board with "newbie questions" and such, i think its all forums in general. All my friends own computers, alot of them are musicians and car enthusiasts, gamers, etc (all hobbies with a plethra of online messege boards to read/participate in) and myself and 2 others (out of , say, 10) are the only ones who actually use boards. As my other 7 friends watch, perhaps they too will jump onto forums and ask questions about new hobbies of theirs.
Does this make sense? Hell, I don't know. I just signed up and I'm still asking questions that are probably the most basic of things for 90% of you guys. I justify it with 8hours of reading a day, a "Jump in the deep end and learn to swim" attitude. I work my ass off, so I buy good equipment. I'd rather buy good equipment and force myself to learn it, then to leapfrog up 2 or 3 times learning as I go. Economically it makes more sense, and what the hell else would I do with all this money burning a hole in my pocket? I love buying stuff, ebay is an addiction!
Sorry for the long post.. whew.
Scott

 

[peopleperson]

Fact: 14 year old girls posess the largest buying dollar available for the music industry

Fact: Rap music is currenty dominating pop culture.

Fact: The world's full of wagon jumpers

 

[fraserhutch]

Fact: 14 year old girls posess the largest buying dollar available for the music industry

Fact: Rap music is currenty dominating pop culture.

Fact: The world's full of wagon jumpers

So?

What's yer point?

 

[fraserhutch]

<snip> Alot of the same questinos come up on the forums for cars, and alot more in common are the newbie questions. I don't think its just this board with "newbie questions" and such, i think its all forums in general.

Yes, that's all fine and dandy, but the IS A NEWBIE forum here. That is where these questions belong.

And none of this obviates the fact that the same questions being asked over and over are just innundating the forum.

I recall not the long ago, some one started a thread asking a question that had been asked in 2 other threads both visible on the same page to me!