How's the correct use of d Amp modelers?, how should sound the plain guitar recorded?

[underp]

Honestly i can't go on man, i'm tired, i give up, i can't get a good fuc#ing distortion with any program and even micing my amp, i can't get good results.

i'm really close to shoot my self on face.

i can't do no more.

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How should sound the guitar before the fx processing?, i'm really confused about this.

what about the tone controls ? what about the mic switch in the guitar ?, should be in what possition ?.

Do i have to do something extra, after the fx processing ? or these are master presets, that shouldn't be touched by any EQ ?

should i use a mic modeler after the amp modeler ? or that's not necesary ?

if my song is just 1 elec. guitar ? what should i put in the left channel and in the right channel, to make it sound right, and not out of phase ?

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[Cloneboy Studio]

My guess is you're not getting good tone in the first place. What amp are you using? What guitar? What kind of tone are you looking for?

Honestly, if you get the sound on the amp if is EASY to mic it and record it.

 

[underp]

i want to discard the possibility to mic my amp, it's impossible to get a decent sound, i can't keep trying, i have like a year on the same s#it.

i have an squier amp, i'm micing with an sm-57 plugged to a mackie, and i'm using an squier by fender of those cheap combos, with a zoom 505 pedal.

i'm not kidding, i have like a whole year just working with distortions, and i've wasted my time so much on this, i can't even imagine what's going to happend if i decide to do the same thing with voice and drums.

i'm getting older on this.

 

[BJW]

What kind of sound are you looking for?

I'm no expert on electric guitar, but I have a suggestion. Try out a POD or behringer V-amp 2. I just picked up a v-amp 2 and I'm pretty happy with it. Granted the gear I'm using is an SRV custom strat through it. When I use an amp it's a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Blue Angel 4x10 (thanks to a friend who really likes electric guitar). I know that's $3000 worth of gear, but I'll bet you can get a sweet sound with your squire and a v-amp.

If you click on the link in my signature, listen to "The Way It Has To Be". It was recorded with only the v-amp on electrics.

The one below it "Something Better" used the mesa boogie. In my opinion, the mesa sounds warmer and a bit fuller, but the v-amp sounds much cleaner. Plus the v-amp has tons of sounds available, and is $100 rather than $1500.

If you really want that sweet overdrive warm distortion sound, you might need to look into something more like a decent tube amp and a guitar with humbuckers (like les paul or prs) I know that's expensive, but you can get an epi les paul, or a PRS se. The amp is going to cost you, though. I'm kind of looking into a fender fat strat std. Bout 300 or 400 on ebay every day, plus very versatile - gets fat tones and "skinny" tones (for lack of a better word).

 

[gullfo]

try this - play the guitar without any effects into your amp. can you get a nice clean sound? yes? then you have the basis to move onto adding effects and tweaking things. if your clean settings sound like crap, time to get a new guitar, a new amp, or a new instrument altogether...

once you have the ability to get a clean sound, then figuring out where to add the effects becomes an experiment. some things sound good in different places... one of the cool things about electric guitar is playing around until __you__ find a sound __you__ like.

once you get the sound out of the amp you like, then playing around with microphone placement is the next step: put a mike about 2 feet away from the front of the speaker cabinet? do you like it? move it closer say 1 foot? better? no? move it 3 feet away? maybe the room has a sound that in conjunction with your amp, you like so moving the mike away will get that room sound. moving it closer will reduce the room effect and give you more "speaker" effect (hence the reason for getting the sound you want first before trying to mike it...)

another option is directly pluging your guitar into your mixer and recording a realy clean sound then adding effects afterwards (my preferred method).

 

[underp]

that's exactly the problem.

I don't know how should sound the guitar, before the fx processing, and maybe my distortions suc#s, because the source signal is recorded bad.

here's an example of a clean version and an EQ'd version in the way i think it should sound before the fx processing, you tell me, maybe i'm wrong.

Clean :

Clean : +EQ

Clean : +EQ +Dist

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This version was recorded the last year, but i don't know what the fuc# i did in that time, i cant' remember, this sounds much better, but i can't get that sound again.

and i did it with the same equipment that i have right now.

 

[Ronan]

I think the Squire is a solid state amp. Best advice is to get a small tube (valve) combo amp and and put the SM57 in front of it.

 

[slfclash77]

amplitube, yea its amazing

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

In my opinion a good microphone preamp really makes a huge difference on distorted guitar sounds. Well, a good preamp always makes a difference in everything, but it really lets you nail that 'sound'. In some cases less than stellar pre's can be compensated for on drums by proper mixing, miking and so forth.

But guitars (and vocals) the preamp is key in my experience.