How to turn your old stereo speakers into the best sounding monitors you ever heard!

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Are you still at it over here? If you dislike my EQ idea so much, why do you keep on bumping this thread up? This thread now has 1264 views... so thanks for the exposure!

I joined this forum in Oct 2001 (actually a couple of days before I joined VSPlanet), had written about 40 posts in here prior to this thread. But I still consider myself a newcommer to this forum, just because I haven't been here in a while... I sure haven't seen any of you guys in this VS forum before, so doesn't that make you newcommers to this particular forum just as much as me?

Here is my very first post on homeRecording, I wasn't exactly burried in helpful answers ;) : http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=237464#post237464

And here is my last post at VSPlanet:
http://www.vsplanet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=011418
Apparently some 4000+ posts people like me ;)

I posted a post on VSPlanet about you attitude around here. Please read that whole thread word by word and consider what it says well before saying anything more about this matter. Here it is:
http://www.vsplanet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=011015

I hesitated to write anything more in this thread, because I felt it was useless discussing with you. If someone starts to delete posts just to make you look like a fool and a liar, that's kind of a hint that it is completely useless... It's like arguing in kindergarten.

I for one think that we can forget this whole deal now. If it's your idea of having fun to have a bad mouth and looking down on people, then it's up to you - Have fun! But don't expect anyone who want's a serious discussion to stick around...

So can we end this now? Or would you like my post to get even more exposure by holding this thread alive? Thanks for the job so far!

Bye!

/Anders
http://listen.to/boray
 
Why do you care what direction this thread takes anyways?
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Why do you care what direction this thread takes anyways?
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I think you should learn something from this thread.... And me too and everyone reading it... Oh, I forgot, you already know everything, sorry... Just kidding ;) I just think it's kind of a strange logic to keep a thread alive that you dislike so much... Just let it rest!

/Anders
 
I don't know about the rest of you, but I was a professional engineer for the latter half of the 80's, until I started playing music professionally. Then I got married and pursued more stable career goals.

Now that I've listed my credentials, let me say this to Mr. BG.

If Roger Nichols, Eddie Offord, Alan Parsons or Eddie Kramer registered for this BBS and started talking out his ass the way you are in his very first posts, he'd get the business end of my middle finger too.

For all I know you and your name dropping ass are telling the gospel truth (there is still doubt about that, but it makes no difference).

When you start a flamewar with a regular, offer nothing constructive and actually defend the idea put forth by the originator of this thread, you pretty much gaurantee that you will never add anything of use to this forum (including a giggle).

Every online community picks up a troll once in a while, it's the nature of the beast. Do prepare to be shunned and not worshiped despite your ability to type unsubstantiated boasts.

Carl
 
*BG said:
To Zeke Man:

By the way jerkoff, what I know in the recording world is way beyond what you and Blue Balls could ever comprehend.
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Wow, I'm sorry I didn't know you were such a heavy hitter. Is this an example of your vast knowledge?
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To Blue Bear:
The fact that you run a studio in Ottawa immediately discounts you from any serious studio dealings.
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What about Morin Heights? According to the engineers over on RAP (not wannabe namedroppers) real heavy hitters like RUSH, and THE POLICE do work there. And, that's just one studio. What a putz. You are laughable.

I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're Mutt Lange. You don't have good sense. How have you survived in life as long as you have without any common sense at all?

You don't come in a place like this as a newbie, and start throwing your weight around. It doesn't matter a flyin' flip if you've worked at the Hit Factory. People aren't going to listen to you.

Where will you be in 6 months? You probably won't be here. I hope you are. I hope you choose to stay, because you no doubt have a lot to share. That's up to you.

Blue Bear has been here a long time, and he's helped a lot of people. You can call me his lackey if you want too. I'm not thin skinned. I think it's kind of funny really, 'cause I'm not really upset, and you won't get me upset. You on the other hand are about to bust a vein in your forehead. Over what? Over somebody not being tender enough with a newbie who comes in here with an idea that is off the chart.

Sometimes life is not as tender and sweet as we'd like it to be. It's a good thing to learn to suck it up and move on.

BTW, my post to newbies wasn't directed particularly at you. I was making reference mainly to newbies at recording.

I'm waiting with baited breath for your reply.

Zeke
 
You seem to be the one lacking comprehension skills.If you look to the left of my posts under my avatar,you will see where I am from,dumbass!

As far as getting past the demo stage,I have heard cuts from 3 projects I have worked on playing on local radio stations today already.

I work with some incredible,world renowned musicians here in Tulsa every day,however I am not going to post their names in this sewerhole of a thread due to professional integrity.

This will be my last post in this thread.If you really have that big of a beef,try coming up here and mouthing off in person!
 
I don't understand what all this "I have worked with him and him" and "I know better than you" talk is for. Nobody cares! Really! NOBODY CARES! I think BG acts a bit silly too, even if he defends me... I would guess that you regulars here see him about the same way that I see some of you...

My topic "How to turn your old stereo speakers into the best sounding monitors you ever heard!" was not ment for you who every day already listen to the best monitors there is in the world, but for people who are listening to home stereo speakers. Many of them has probably never listened to real studio monitors... And for them, this could really be a way of turning their speakers into the best sounding monitors THEY ever have heard..... Even if they would be better off buying real monitors. My idea was how to improve on your speakers with NO additional equipment what so ever.... It's just like my thread on VSplanet on how to turn your VS1680 into a 18 track recorder (which works). You guys would probably shout: OH NO!!!! Don't use the VS1680 like that, you have to buy at least a VS1880 to do that...

I have never met a pro in this VS forum before, most posts here are from real newbies who has some problem with their VS... My post was aimed at them, not at you!

BlueBear, Have you tried this yourself? I can imagine that it wouldn't work in a small home made control room/both. I listen in the same room I record in and that room has pretty good acoustics, lots of sound absorbing stuff all over the place.

What I dislike is many of you peoples attitude to people you don't know at all. To me it seems like you all the time have to claim that you know best and that you are pros and everyone that doesn't agree to that are just less worth than you... Screw them! Who are they to come here to our little club and spread their stupid ideas...

The thing is that an experianced pro still can have something to learn from an amature and (of course) the other way around too. A person who claims he knows everything really knows very little.

To people with VSs (as this forum IS a VS forum) who reads this: Ok... As many here have said (aimed at me)... If you don't like this place, don't stick around... If you like this kind of meaningless stupid kindergarten arguing, or want to be treated like a total newbie (even if you perhaps have used your VS for years and recorded a couple of CDs on it) - then stay here!!! If not - you are always welcome to www.vsplanet.com . There are many experianced VS users over there that can help you - or perhaps get helped by you. I don't remember that I ever have seen this "I am better than you" attitude over there. Anyone can discuss their ideas etc without being looked down at (or teared apart by the dogs as I've been here)...

I will "shut up" now as someone suggested earlier.

/Anders
http://mp3.com/boray
 
I think Boray does need a little slack cut his way. I think I've got him figured out. He's only about 15 years old.

Here's a few comments directed your way Boray. They aren't meant to in any way to be a slam on you. I can tell you are really young and I just want to help you out.


Boray said:
I don't understand what all this "I have worked with him and him" and "I know better than you" talk is for. Nobody cares! Really! NOBODY CARES!
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Have you interviewed everyone involved in audio? If not how can you speak for everybody? Lot's of people care about professional credits, and references. It adds a certain amount of credence to the recording advice that someone gives. For example, would I rather take advice from someone who produced and engineered "Dark Side of the Moon", or from someone who promotes using home stereo speakers for monitors? See the point?

In summary: Some people care! Really! SOME PEOPLE CARE!

Boray said:
My topic "How to turn your old stereo speakers into the best sounding monitors you ever heard!" was not ment for you who every day already listen to the best monitors there is in the world, but for people who are listening to home stereo speakers. Many of them has probably never listened to real studio monitors... And for them, this could really be a way of turning their speakers into the best sounding monitors THEY ever have heard.....
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Well, this might be part of the problem. Your Post probably could have been worded better. You gave the IMPRESSION that you were saying these EQ'd old stereo speakers would be a better monitoring solution than good studio monitors. And you have to remember. Just because someone doesn't have, or can't afford decent montors, it doesn't mean they haven't HEARD good monitors.
Boray said:
I have never met a pro in this VS forum before, most posts here are from real newbies who has some problem with their VS... My post was aimed at them, not at you!
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Okay, here's another problem identified. These forums are full of pros. So is your vs-planet. Go and read the recent thread there where some of the planeteers introduced themselves and told a little bit about their history. There's pros on all these sites. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM USEFUL. Otherwise they would be pretty much useless. They would be a bunch of newbies steering each other in the wrong direction. doing things like recommending home stereo speakers as monitors.

Boray said:
BlueBear, Have you tried this yourself?
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You're not helping yourself out here. Learn to take correction. It'll help you out as you learn to record.
Boray [/i] [B]What I dislike is many of you peoples attitude to people you don't know at all. To me it seems like you all the time have to claim that you know best and that you are pros and everyone that doesn't agree to that are just less worth than you... Screw them! Who are they to come here to our little club and spread their stupid ideas...[/B][/QUOTE]You're overly sensitive. Learn to deal with being shot down when you have a stupid idea said:
The thing is that an experianced pro still can have something to learn from an amature and (of course) the other way around too. A person who claims he knows everything really knows very little.
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You have a convoluted view of the worth of newbies. While what you say is true in principle, in actual practice amateurs have very very very little of benefit to offer experienced engineers.
Boray said:
... If you like this kind of meaningless stupid kindergarten arguing, or want to be treated like a total newbie... (even if you perhaps have used your VS for years and recorded a couple of CDs on it) - then stay here!!! If not - you are always welcome to www.vsplanet.com . There are many experianced VS users over there that can help you - or perhaps get helped by you. I don't remember that I ever have seen this "I am better than you" attitude over there. Anyone can discuss their ideas etc without being looked down at (or teared apart by the dogs as I've been here)...

I will "shut up" now as someone suggested earlier.
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Whether you want to admit it or not, you've been helped here. It might not have been in the tender manner you would have preferred, but you've been helped. The planet is a great resource as well. I hope nobody there gave your stereo speaker suggestion any affirmation. If they did, then you got better direction from this site.

Try not to take yourself so seriously, and continue to learn.

And oh yea, STAY IN SCHOOL!!!
 
Zeke doesn't get it...

Your condescending and insulting attitude is exactly what he's talking about...

Didn't anyone teach you manners?

Wish
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And no, I'm not 14
 
Re: Zeke doesn't get it...

Wish14 said:
Didn't anyone teach you manners?
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If you want a lesson from Miss Manners read her daily column in the newspaper. If you want to hone your craft in regards to recording, come here, and don't be a sissy.
 
Wish14 doesn't get it...

Wish14 said:
Your condescending and insulting attitude is exactly what he's talking about...
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Think what you will about my attitude. I could really give a flying flip if it offends your tender sensibilities.

Whether you care to acknowledge it or not, I was trying to help junior out, as were other people in the thread.
 
Boray, Wish14, et al....

So anytime a pro corrects some nonsense newbie theory, we're being rude????

You'd prefer maybe that the pros should leave and let the novices give each other misinformation about room EQ, green-markers on CDs, and how $50 Radio Shack mics really DO outperform Neumanns???? :rolleyes:

You have the resources of pros at your fingertips and you'd rather bask in rookie myths than get the real story that will help improve your recording chops....?!?!?

Yeah... good thinking....! :rolleyes:

As I said once before - gimme a fuckin' break.........

Bruce
 
Hey strmkr:
Local radio? You've certainly hit the big time! I know musicians in Tulsa as well. You don't name names because you obviously don't know anybody. The ones I knew were Jamie Oldaker and the late Carl Radle. And you are?
 
Krackit:
I see you're from Long Island. What facility were you working at as a professional engineer? Just curious. By the way, when you mention people like Roger Nichols, etc. - you're dreaming. If you and others take offense to my posts, tough! Well at least you're from Long Island. That sure beats Ottawa.
 
Zeke:
You're getting way too emotional over these posts. I'm laughing my ass off at you people, certainly not busting a vein. I thought I'd let you know that the Police broke up a long long time ago. And as for Rush - I think Geddy Lee is ready for the Klezmer band, don't you? Now who's the putz?
 
ZekeMan: Just for the record - I'm 29 years old. For the rest of your comments - you are about as right as you were about my age... Half-way...

To Everyone Here: My point is just this - Do you have to be an asshole just because you think you know better? If you try to correct someone and in the same time say that this person is a complete idiot, then this person will probably think "What a jerk" and don't bother about that comment. If you are nice about it and gently explain your point, the point will more likely be taken. And this is what I think you all should learn from this thread... So can you take this correction from me?

/Anders
 
Boray said:
...just because you think you know better?...
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That's MY point -- there are a number of people here that DO know better than you -- and you chose to defend your lack of knowledge -- which is what started this whole thing....

You could have simply excused yourself saying you don't know audio engineering theory and aquiesced to those that do - instead you opted to defend your uninformed and completely incorrect hypothesis even in light of the pros that told you otherwise.....

Unless you're asking a question to further your own knowledge, if you post something concrete, you better be damn sure you're right about it, otherwise you will be called on it by the people that actually DO know better........ and if you can't handle that, you have two options: 1) get a thicker skin, or preferably 2) don't post nonsense in the first place...

Simple, eh? ;)

Want further proof? Try posting your original comments on rec.audio.pro and see how quickly your theory gets smashed...............

Bruce
 
BlueBear, What a quick response! I understand your point of view completely. And if you read this thread through and all the threads on VSPlanet about this, then you will know that I have accepted the critics aginst this idea and will have it in mind while I use my EQ tuned speakers... I already knew from the start that real pro monitors would be better... This was just an idea to improve on what you had. Which in my point of view still DO work.

It's proof of lack of a thinking mind and belief in yourself if you were just to accept the words of a jerk that calls your idea horseshit right away. I always have a critical mind against even respected persons. So how do you think I value someone just calling me names? Everyone can be wrong (including myself). There is no such thing as the "right" way of doing things. There are different ways... Pro's has different oppinions as well.

What I can't understand is that you can't accept the critics against yourself. Do you honestly think that you know everything and that it's a good way of spreading your ideas to be an asshole about it? Then I honestly think that you have more to learn than I have!

/Anders
 
*BG said:
Krackit:
I see you're from Long Island. What facility were you working at as a professional engineer? Just curious. By the way, when you mention people like Roger Nichols, etc. - you're dreaming. If you and others take offense to my posts, tough! Well at least you're from Long Island. That sure beats Ottawa.
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I know that I shouldn't dignify this with an answer, but since I've never really talked about my experience I'll bite.

For the most part I worked for very small to medium concerns. Platinum Island for a short stint, Cove City Sound, Topcat Rehearsal, Sound Design of NY, and a few others. My biggest claim to fame was saving a session at Electric Ladyland for Ted Nugent while I was interviewing for a postion. One of the console channels went dead and an intern burst into my interview to inform the studio manager. I offered to fix it, and with a little solder did the job. I was assured that the position was to be mine and to wait by the phone.

I later learned that I was ousted by old fashioned nepatism when the studio owner's good for nothing nephew needed a job. Any job. So, they gave him mine. At the time I was told by the receptionist that no one at the studio was happy about the decision because the nephew was a complete wasteoid, but them's the breaks.

I was also the live engineer on retainer for many local bands and worked the house systems in clubs like CB-GB's, The Right Track Inn, Wetlands and many more.

Impressed? Who cares? :rolleyes:

Carl
 
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