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Now you're just talking crazy.
Now you're just talking crazy.
XploZiveToyz
All American Un-American
I knew that would get your attention Greg! LOL!
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Greg_L
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The Sex Pistols were the first boy band of punk rock. Contrived, assembled, fashionable, completely void of substance or authenticity, they were marionettes. I will say though, Nevermind the Bollocks is a fantastic album. Great songs, great production, really good album.
XploZiveToyz
All American Un-American
You hit the nail on the head! A good friend of mine and I were talking bands the other night and we both came to the same conclusion as yourself: the "Never Mind the Bollocks" album was a classic! Very astute of you to agree with me! LOL!
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Like I said, I was never a Hendrix fanatic and to this day, I've never learned any Hendrix riffs....BUT....I still think he was innovative and certainly had flash AFA guitar playing goes, and I really like some of his songs.
I was talking about big name guys like SRV, Clapton, Beck and a slew of others who respected Hendrix and also covered his songs.
That many great players wouldn't give him that much rep if he was only a "sloppy blues player".....just sayin'......
XploZiveToyz
All American Un-American
I will freely admit that I'm an unabashed Hendrix fan! Over the years I covered several of his songs. Hey Joe, The Wind Cries Mary, Angel, Little Wing, just to name a few. He has to be viewed in the time frame that he lived. When he came on the seen NO ONE was close to playing like he was. Everyone (Clapton, Beck,Townsend, etc,) went back to the wood shed to practice after he came on the scene. No one wanted to play after him because he made everyone else look bad. He made all the other players at that time better. The thing I learned most from him was feel and emotion. The only other guitar player who influenced other players as much as Hendrix did was Eddie Van Halen. I still have all the original Hendrix albums and I damn sure am not ashamed of the fact! LOL!
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Seafroggys
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Heh, kinda like my mom and me. She's a diehard Beatles fan too, but she prefers the earlier stuff over the later stuff (of course she likes it all though). Which makes sense, she was 10 when they appeared on Ed Sullivan for the first time. Those early songs spoke to her. They don't speak to me, though. I like the music and vibe of their early stuff and can get down with it, but it doesn't speak to me in any significant way. Their later stuff on the other hand.....
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I wouldn't give a shit if Jesus himself covered a hendrix song. He was a sloppy blues player. He just did it really loudly.
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Greg_L
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Is pretentious, self-indulgent, and boring.
I don't like any era of beatles music, but if I had to listen to it I'd much rather listen to the early gay "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" shit. When they go "woooooooh" I scream like a girl.
Lt. Bob
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First off lemme say that all this stuff is matter of taste. I don't get the idea that if you don't care for someone's music you have to HATE it and them.
I don't like a single thing I've ever heard by the Clash but I don't hate them. They've just never 'touched' me in any way. I also don't like Springsteen but I don't 'like' his music . not hate it.
I truly don't get that.
As for Hendrix being a blues player ..... only people who aren't at all familiar with his music say that. Like him or not ..... the common comment that he was just a blues player is patently absurd.
'Burning of the Midnight Lamp' doesn't even come close to being blues.
'If 6 Were 9' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Axis Bold as Love' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Manic Depression' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Waterfall' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Purple Haze' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Angel' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Castles Made of Sand' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Dolly Dagger' doesn't comes close to being blues.
'Driftin' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Gypsy Eyes' doesn't come close to being blues.
'House Burning Down' doesn't come close to being blues.
'One Rainy Wish' doesn't come close to being blues.
I could easily add another 20 songs on there ..... these are many of his best works and none of them are remotely blues.
In fact ....... the ONLY actual straight out blues song I can think of that he ever recorded was Red House.
Hell, one of the reasons people think he was blues is 'cause a real blues loser, SRV, played a couple of his songs.
So now people think of Little Wing as a blues song which it really isn't.
So like him or not, the characterization of Hendrix as a blues player is simply wrong.
SRV is player that I don't like ...... but I don't like his music and/or playing ...... that's not the same as hating him.
I don't get why people have to go for hating someone if they don't care for their music.
Plus tastes change ..... you never know what you'll suddenly like or dislike as time goes by.
There was a time when I'd have bet you money that there was no chance I'd ever like The Ramones ...... ever ....... I found their brand of "playing" to be pure garbage.
Then someone took the time to educate me about them and I saw what was important and good about their playing and now I like them ..... they even make my rotation list in the truck along with Greg's latest disc which is bad ass.
I think most of the time if you 'hate' a particular music it's more because you don't know as much about it as you think you do.
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First off lemme say that all this stuff is matter of taste. I don't get the idea that if you don't care for someone's music you have to HATE it and them.
I don't like a single thing I've ever heard by the Clash but I don't hate them. They've just never 'touched' me in any way. I also don't like Springsteen but I don't 'like' his music . not hate it.
I truly don't get that.
As for Hendrix being a blues player ..... only people who aren't at all familiar with his music say that. Like him or not ..... the common comment that he was just a blues player is patently absurd.
'Burning of the Midnight Lamp' doesn't even come close to being blues.
'If 6 Were 9' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Axis Bold as Love' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Manic Depression' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Waterfall' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Purple Haze' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Angel' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Castles Made of Sand' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Dolly Dagger' doesn't comes close to being blues.
'Driftin' doesn't come close to being blues.
'Gypsy Eyes' doesn't come close to being blues.
'House Burning Down' doesn't come close to being blues.
'One Rainy Wish' doesn't come close to being blues.
I could easily add another 20 songs on there ..... these are many of his best works and none of them are remotely blues.
In fact ....... the ONLY actual straight out blues song I can think of that he ever recorded was Red House.
Hell, one of the reasons people think he was blues is 'cause a real blues loser, SRV, played a couple of his songs.
So now people think of Little Wing as a blues song which it really isn't.
So like him or not, the characterization of Hendrix as a blues player is simply wrong.
SRV is player that I don't like ...... but I don't like his music and/or playing ...... that's not the same as hating him.
I don't get why people have to go for hating someone if they don't care for their music.
Plus tastes change ..... you never know what you'll suddenly like or dislike as time goes by.
There was a time when I'd have bet you money that there was no chance I'd ever like The Ramones ...... ever ....... I found their brand of "playing" to be pure garbage.
Then someone took the time to educate me about them and I saw what was important and good about their playing and now I like them ..... they even make my rotation list in the truck along with Greg's latest disc which is bad ass.
I think most of the time if you 'hate' a particular music it's more because you don't know as much about it as you think you do.
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Greg_L
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I don't hate Hendrix. He's dead. He died before I was born. I didn't know the guy. I do hate his music. His music exemplifies all of the things I don't like in rock music. It's slow, and wanky, and sloppy, and show-offy, and I just hear sloppy bluesy crap being banged out and it's usually mostly uninteresting people that eat it up. It's music for guitar players, and all of those "legends" from the 60s were essentially just playing amped up blues licks. Hell, pretty much all rock and roll is just amped up blues licks. I'll never be convinced differently. I didn't just recently become aware of Hendrix. Lol. I've had a long time to form my opinions. If that means that I appear to not know otherwise, that's fine too. I know I'm in the minority. I don't really expect any fans of Hendrix to understand what I'm saying or where I come from. I know that it often drives guitar players literally insane that I'd dare talk shit about hendrix music. Same with beatles people. Someone has got to speak up against the madness. I'll wave that flag. 
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RAMI
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I agree with all of that. I'm a huge Hendrix fan and the only time I ever heard him play sloppy was on some live stuff. His studio stuff is awesome and never sloppy at all, and very little of it is bluesy. Of corse, all rock is based on blues to some extent, so we can nit-pick on how bluesy anything is. His playing on "Watchtower" is probably in my top 3 of any guitar song ever.
As a side note, my "hate" for Springsteen doesn't extend past his music, I don't know the guy.
As far as the Beatles go, there's more than just "early stuff" and "late stuff". There's so much in between those 2 extremes that they literally covered every style of music and invented a few along the way. When we don't like a style of music, we tend to find a cozy little pigeonhole to classify them as and that's it. People that don't like hard rock do that with hard rock. All punk sounds the same to me, and most of it seems so deliberately "anti-good" that most of it comes off as pretentious as the music it's supposed to be rebelling against, ironically enough. But someone who's into it will be able to hear the differences between one band and another, or even the different phases of the same band.
Funny thing about the Beatles is that, if you take away George's sitar tunes, they never really got as "weird" as everyone seems to think they did. What's "weird" on Pepper? "Lucy in the Sky"? "She's leaving Home"? I don't think so. I think their most psychadelic non-sitar song is "Tomorrow Never Knows", and that's a masterpiece.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
It doesn't bother me but you obviously don't really know his music anymore than I did the Ramones. I thought I did and couldn't stand them.I don't hate Hendrix. He's dead. He died before I was born. I didn't know the guy. I do hate his music. His music exemplifies all of the things I don't like in rock music. It's slow, and wanky, and sloppy, and show-offy, and I just hear sloppy bluesy crap being banged out and it's usually mostly uninteresting people that eat it up. It's music for guitar players, and all of those "legends" from the 60s were essentially just playing amped up blues licks. Hell, pretty much all rock and roll is just amped up blues licks. I'll never be convinced differently. I didn't just recently become aware of Hendrix. Lol. I've had a long time to form my opinions. If that means that I appear to not know otherwise, that's fine too. I know I'm in the minority. I don't really expect any fans of Hendrix to understand what I'm saying or where I come from. I know that it often drives guitar players literally insane that I'd dare talk shit about hendrix music. Same with beatles people. Someone has got to speak up against the madness. I'll wave that flag.
Turned out that I actually knew very little about them.
Same thing here with Hendrix
Most of it is NOT blues or bluesy first.
And a lot of it could NOT be called slow.
But stick with your prejudices, you are entitled to them. ....... glad I wasn't so stubborn about the Ramones though.
I think we can both agree that Beiber sucks and there will never be anything anyone can educate us about that'll change that!
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Greg_L
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It doesn't bother me but you obviouysly don't really know his music anymore than I did the Ramones.
Most of it is NOT blues or bluesy first.
And a lot of it could NOT be called slow.
But stick with your prejudices, you are entitled to them. ....... glad I wasn't so stubborn about the Ramones though.
I don't know his music down to the molecule. I don't need to. I know that what I hear I don't like. Like I said, I didn't just hear hendrix for the fist time the other day. I've been hearing that mess for a long time. I've never liked it. I can't get with it. I didn't latch on in my formative years, and I don't latch on now. It doesn't impress me, move me, inspire me....in fact, it does just the opposite. I don't need to know every song from every album to know that I don't like it. I don't know every cut from Kanye Wests's new album. I know I don't like it. It's not just me being prejudiced. You know the kind of music I like and play, would you really expect someone like me to like hendrix? I wouldn't!
I'm glad you took the time to try to get into the Ramones, and I was happy to help you with that, but I wouldn't think any less of you if you hated them. Same with Rami. Or anyone else. I don't think any less of you guys for liking the beatles or hendrix or pink floyd or any of the stuff I typically don't like. The stuff I like is not for everyone. And in fact, the Ramones and the Clash are some of those bands that a lot of people like because they think they're supposed to. So most of my animosity is more towards fans of these kinds of bands as opposed to the bands themselves. I don't hate Paul McCartney. I hate the guy that wears a beatles shirt and goes on about how they're the greatest band ever while not being able to name more than a few hit songs. It's just weird to me. Pretty lame.
Seafroggys
Well-known member
Or Revolution 9 
But yes, I totally agree with you too, I was just doing really heavy generalizing. With The Beatles is different from Help which is different from Rubber Soul which is different from Magical Mystery Tour which is different from Let it Be. And there's some albums which have such a variety of music on them, such as Pepper's, or Abbey Road, or the obvious, The White Album.
Never got the 'weird George sitar' songs. The Inner Light is a gorgeous song, probably one of their most beautiful, it doesn't have the 'haunting' qualities that Love You Too or Within You Without You have.
But yes, I totally agree with you too, I was just doing really heavy generalizing. With The Beatles is different from Help which is different from Rubber Soul which is different from Magical Mystery Tour which is different from Let it Be. And there's some albums which have such a variety of music on them, such as Pepper's, or Abbey Road, or the obvious, The White Album.
Never got the 'weird George sitar' songs. The Inner Light is a gorgeous song, probably one of their most beautiful, it doesn't have the 'haunting' qualities that Love You Too or Within You Without You have.
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Wow! I had to Google "Inner Light". Never heard it before, and I thought I know every single thing the Beatles did. It was a B-Side to "Lady Madonna", and not on any album, it seems. Yes, less haunting than the others he did.Or Revolution 9
But yes, I totally agree with you too, I was just doing really heavy generalizing. With The Beatles is different from Help which is different from Rubber Soul which is different from Magical Mystery Tour which is different from Let it Be. And there's some albums which have such a variety of music on them, such as Pepper's, or Abbey Road, or the obvious, The White Album.
Never got the 'weird George sitar' songs. The Inner Light is a gorgeous song, probably one of their most beautiful, it doesn't have the 'haunting' qualities that Love You Too or Within You Without You have.
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Greg_L
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That sounds reasonable.
Bands rock. People suck.
Yeah. Like with you and Lt Boob....I know you guys, I know your talents, I know your credibility....so for you and Boob to say you like hendrix or the beatles, I believe it. I believe you guys like music for more than just going with the flow. I believe that you get something out of it that's more than just saying you like it because you think you're supposed to. I'm familiar enough with you guys to trust you and whatever music you like or don't like makes no difference to me. I hate you fuckers for more important reasons that that.
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RAMI
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That sounds reasonable.I hate you fuckers for more important reasons that that.
I rock. Bob sucks.
DM60
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All of you suck, the Archies, that was a band! Aaaah, sugar, sugar. The beat, that groove, ah way ahead of its time. The were so advanced, they didn't even want a real boy band screwing them up. Visionary!