How to play guitar...HOLD UP!?

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Now, Ive tried learning the guitar on my own and even took a lesson from a good friend of mines who is heavy into it but just cant seem to learn it and so I gave up:eek:

Anyways...I stumbled upon youtube videos of a guy playing guitar on his midi keyboard...it sounded nice but he was very general and did NOT explain things in detail.

Now Im sorta wondering: anybody play guitar thru their midi keyboard? If so, what finger techniques do you use or what no? Is pitch bend and modulation important?

Anywho...lets see if anybody even responds...:)

 
No matter how could the sound driven by the midi signal, you cannot do the same playing techniques on a keyboard as on an actual guitar.
 

Now, Ive tried learning the guitar on my own and even took a lesson from a good friend of mines who is heavy into it but just cant seem to learn it and so I gave up:eek:

Anyways...I stumbled upon youtube videos of a guy playing guitar on his midi keyboard...it sounded nice but he was very general and did NOT explain things in detail.

Now Im sorta wondering: anybody play guitar thru their midi keyboard? If so, what finger techniques do you use or what no? Is pitch bend and modulation important?

Anywho...lets see if anybody even responds...:)


Do you mean "play guitar" through your MIDI keyboard, or "trigger guitar samples" with your midi keyboard? Because the first one ain't possible, unless you got a MIDI-controlled robot to play the guitar :p

Anyway, some acoustic stuff can sound decent if you program it right. Or, it can be the best way to get an artificial sounding guitar for some R'n'B (etc.) music. But, as mjbphotos said, you can't get in-depth with it.
 
Anything can be done

Emulating guitar, electric or acoustic, is not easy, but can be done. There are several groups or bands, that were comprised of keyboardists, who did everything, convincingly enough, on keys.

Are you attempting to cover a song that has already been performed, or do your own? Of course, emulating Steve Morse on guitar is harder than doing The Rolling Stones, but if you have the time, patience, and personal skill, you can do whatever your mind sets out to do.

Strumming power chords is easy. Running through a fast set of notes, also easy. Trying to emulate the plucking sound (up, then down), along with the stretching of the strings or use of a whammy bar, makes it considerably more difficult.


The latest techology certainly helps. And start falling in love with your Pitch Bend and Mod Wheel. You're gonna need to.
 
Emulating guitar, electric or acoustic, is not easy, but can be done. There are several groups or bands, that were comprised of keyboardists, who did everything, convincingly enough, on keys.

I would say don't start off trying to emulate those guys though. In my experience when someone tries to imitate guitars with synths, it sounds fake and cheesey. When someone tries to substitute synths for the sonic space usually occupied by guitars, you can get really good results.
 
Strumming power chords is easy. Running through a fast set of notes, also easy. Trying to emulate the plucking sound (up, then down), along with the stretching of the strings or use of a whammy bar, makes it considerably more difficult.

Yeah this is true. And it'll probably sound more natural if you manually write each note in rather than using a keyboard.

For a down strum you'll need to have the lowest note first, and slightly nudge all succeeding notes by like a millisecond each, or more depending on how fast you'd like the chord strummed. It's a lot of trial and error until you get the chord strum to sound right. And for an up-strum, you'll need to put the highest note first and put all succeeding notes after.

Let's take an E Minor chord for example:

You've picked out your six notes from low strings to high (E, B, E, G, B, E)

I like to have the last note hit the grid perfectly (most guitarists tend to play slightly ahead of the beat, it sounds kinda natural).

So I'd start with the last note on the grid (the grid beat = 0ms here)

High E: 0ms
B: -1ms
G: -2ms
E: -3ms
B: -4ms
Low E: -5ms

So when you play it back, they'll all be played within millisecond succession of each other, resulting in a strum sound.

Otherwise, strumming just comes out sounding like blocks, and sounds unnaturally choppy.
 
Yeah this is true. And it'll probably sound more natural if you manually write each note in rather than using a keyboard.

For a down strum you'll need to have the lowest note first, and slightly nudge all succeeding notes by like a millisecond each, or more depending on how fast you'd like the chord strummed. It's a lot of trial and error until you get the chord strum to sound right. And for an up-strum, you'll need to put the highest note first and put all succeeding notes after.

Let's take an E Minor chord for example:

You've picked out your six notes from low strings to high (E, B, E, G, B, E)

I like to have the last note hit the grid perfectly (most guitarists tend to play slightly ahead of the beat, it sounds kinda natural).

So I'd start with the last note on the grid (the grid beat = 0ms here)

High E: 0ms
B: -1ms
G: -2ms
E: -3ms
B: -4ms
Low E: -5ms

So when you play it back, they'll all be played within millisecond succession of each other, resulting in a strum sound.

Otherwise, strumming just comes out sounding like blocks, and sounds unnaturally choppy.


This by far the best explanation Ive gotten on this question...

Its the plucking sound Ive been so fascinated with...

but never understood how to achieve it on the keys...

I wanna play guitar parts on my keyboard...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuEdgz-8EAA

how would I play that ?


 

Ive gotten to love the guitar sound but never had enough or will have enough patience to play it like I love the keys...

so Im just so curious if there is a way I can do this on the keys...

thanx

 

This by far the best explanation Ive gotten on this question...

Its the plucking sound Ive been so fascinated with...

but never understood how to achieve it on the keys...

I wanna play guitar parts on my keyboard...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuEdgz-8EAA

how would I play that ?



You'll have to figure out the notes and how they're played (or get accurate tabs) and transpose it to keyboard.
 

This by far the best explanation Ive gotten on this question...

Its the plucking sound Ive been so fascinated with...

but never understood how to achieve it on the keys...

I wanna play guitar parts on my keyboard...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuEdgz-8EAA

how would I play that ?


Again, and not enough can be said for sample-playback workstations whose programmers have put a ton of effort into the various nuances of a guitar sound (electric or acoustic). It requires great samples, layers of samples, and awesome effects, to come up with a convincing guitar patch.

Then, take Philbagg's instructions and utilize them in your sequencer. Trying to memorize all those intracacies playing "live" would be quite a feat, because you'd have to roll your hand over a chord one way, then roll it the other way, and then change chord positions (of course), and continue this exercise throughout, along with pitchbending.


On my Kurzeil K2500XS, some of my guitar patches utilitze more than one slider on the workstation to adjust the loudness and depth of the plucking sound (using a different sample within the layer), and another slider for the depth amount of reverb, while also the hardness of the velocity attack changes timbre [pronounced "tamber"](another sampled layer).

Of course, not every guitar note by a guitarist has equal amounts of those attributes, so attempting to play and adjust your sliders "live" is really next to impossible. Routing continuous foot pedal controllers to handle those jobs could help much so that your hands are free to play the keys.

Depends on what your objective is. Live, and to impress people? Do everything manually. Recording? Then use the sequencer, by all means.
 
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Again, and not enough can be said for sample-playback workstations whose programmers have put a ton of effort into the various nuances of a guitar sound (electric or acoustic). It requires great samples, layers of samples, and awesome effects, to come up with a convincing guitar patch.

Then, take Philbagg's instructions and utilize them in your sequencer. Trying to memorize all those intracacies playing "live" would be quite a feat, because you'd have to roll your hand over a chord one way, then roll it the other way, and then change chord positions (of course), and continue this exercise throughout, along with pitchbending.


On my Kurzeil K2500XS, some of my guitar patches utilitze more than one slider on the workstation to adjust the loudness and depth of the plucking sound (using a different sample within the layer), and another slider for the depth amount of reverb, while also the hardness of the velocity attack changes timbre [pronounced "tamber"](another sampled layer).

Of course, not every guitar note by a guitarist has equal amounts of those attributes, so attempting to play and adjust your sliders "live" is really next to impossible. Routing continuous foot pedal controllers to handle those jobs could help much so that your hands are free to play the keys.

Depends on what your objective is. Live, and to impress people? Do everything manually. Recording? Then use the sequencer, by all means.

Yeah, but Todd, how do I play keyboard on my guitar? Do I need a guit with 88 strings??? :D
 
Just learn the guitar old soldier. More fun than you could poke a stick at
 
Simple answer

Yeah, but Todd, how do I play keyboard on my guitar? Do I need a guit with 88 strings??? :D

Spend some years with Stanley Jordan.

2nd, your forehead looks different than I remember. Your eyebrows, too. :P

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Y'know, White Strat, what one "selfish" thing I long for most? My imagination and hope get the better of me - but oh, the music that Ludwig will demonstrate for us. OMG, I can't wait. I hope to hang out with him.
 
Spend some years with Stanley Jordan.

2nd, your forehead looks different than I remember. Your eyebrows, too. :P

- - - - -

Y'know, White Strat, what one "selfish" thing I long for most? My imagination and hope get the better of me - but oh, the music that Ludwig will demonstrate for us. OMG, I can't wait. I hope to hang out with him.

Sorry to say--but them's my 'brows and forehead--must be the :extreme close-up and trapped in a box look" that's throwin' you off!

And y'know, that's funny, because I think about things like that too--looking forward to it. But I might just pay a visit to Johann first!
 
Sorry to say--but them's my 'brows and forehead--must be the :extreme close-up and trapped in a box look" that's throwin' you off!

And y'know, that's funny, because I think about things like that too--looking forward to it. But I might just pay a visit to Johann first!


Speaking of the Fugue in Gm, I love that piece. By any chance you hear Styx' version of it? Their title was "Little Fugue in Gm - Father OSA".

Nobody knows what the OSA stood for.
 
Speaking of the Fugue in Gm, I love that piece. By any chance you hear Styx' version of it? Their title was "Little Fugue in Gm - Father OSA".

Nobody knows what the OSA stood for.


Yep. Styx was my all-time favorite in my coming-of-age years. I had that one on the original vinyl--not a retrospective compilation. If I recall correctly, it was on their second release--on the old Wooden Nickel label way before they hit it big.
 
i heard a tune on the cakewalk forum and the guy used Music Labs Real Strat amped through Amplitube....it was all one note solo stuff using the mod wheel....but it sounded excellent, much better than anything I could produce on my guitars in truth..

I dont think you could ever get a realistic rhythm sound but solo stuff can be done I just enjoy playing the guitar too much to ever pack it in for software..

btw Musiclab have just came out with a Les Paul programme...again dry samples straight from the pick ups so it needs re-amped...comes with a copy of amplitube 2....might be worth a look
 
sometimes daft

I don't know why I didn't post this earlier, 'cuz it's on point to this thread, I think.

You can always buy a Line 6 POD (some versions as low as $99 now) and play all those different types of guitars, amps, mic placements, Fx, etc., with your keyboard.

I have a POD XT, and have "wired" one of the outputs of my Kurzweil into the POD, and then into my Mixer.. and been able to play the guitar patch of the POD with the section of my Keyboard setup for that sound - the remaining keys still playing piano, organs, etc.

You don't have to use a guitar to take advantage of the Line 6 lineup. As long as a signal is going into the device, you'll get the software sound of the POD patch coming out.
 
I don't know why I didn't post this earlier, 'cuz it's on point to this thread, I think.

You can always buy a Line 6 POD (some versions as low as $99 now) and play all those different types of guitars, amps, mic placements, Fx, etc., with your keyboard.

I have a POD XT, and have "wired" one of the outputs of my Kurzweil into the POD, and then into my Mixer.. and been able to play the guitar patch of the POD with the section of my Keyboard setup for that sound - the remaining keys still playing piano, organs, etc.

You don't have to use a guitar to take advantage of the Line 6 lineup. As long as a signal is going into the device, you'll get the software sound of the POD patch coming out.


of course...I never though of this...I have a POD as well...must have a muck about with that..
 
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