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72fender
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Both songs were done on a BR-1600. I've been playing since '72.
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zipperhead
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Not to be a pain in the butt or anything, but if we've established that PC soundcards sound cheesy, or was that CHEESY, why would anyone use them, no matter how wonderful the biab programming is?
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manning1
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zipper. seasoned people using biab dont use the pc sound card.
they use proper high quality sound /synthesis generating midi modules
external to the pc and driven by pc midi out.
they use proper high quality sound /synthesis generating midi modules
external to the pc and driven by pc midi out.
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bigdaddyd
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Has it finally come to this. My era is Rush, Styx, Triumph.... and grew to love grunge- Alice and the like, and even bought albums like Days of the new, Creed, etc... MUSICIANS! Has music finally come to the point that its computer generated. I know its been used somewhat in the past, but are the computer wiz's going to drive out the musicians eventually.
The product you talk about BIAB could be used as a high end click track. But the thought of letting a computer basically write everything just seems wrong.
I know a lot of music is done this way, but I guess Im adressing more Rock, or whatever you would call whats left of rock. I want a band. If you publish an album with a computer, better sound like a full group or youll have to sell it to my kids over my dead body. And good luck with that as they are very well informed.
Any of you that think your forming a band between you and your computer, go buy Moving Pictures by Rush. Listen to Tom Sawyer. 1st off, thats real music. 2nd, My 9 year old can pull off 90% of that song on his set, (as his father grins ear to ear) and my 13 year old can play the entire song on his bass. Thats Music. Thats becoming a Musician! Not buying your stupid BIAB.
Im all for anyone creating music with a PC and going after that market. But If the talented indivuduals that play instruments are called musicians, what do the musicians call you??
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The product you talk about BIAB could be used as a high end click track. But the thought of letting a computer basically write everything just seems wrong.
I know a lot of music is done this way, but I guess Im adressing more Rock, or whatever you would call whats left of rock. I want a band. If you publish an album with a computer, better sound like a full group or youll have to sell it to my kids over my dead body. And good luck with that as they are very well informed.
Any of you that think your forming a band between you and your computer, go buy Moving Pictures by Rush. Listen to Tom Sawyer. 1st off, thats real music. 2nd, My 9 year old can pull off 90% of that song on his set, (as his father grins ear to ear) and my 13 year old can play the entire song on his bass. Thats Music. Thats becoming a Musician! Not buying your stupid BIAB.
Im all for anyone creating music with a PC and going after that market. But If the talented indivuduals that play instruments are called musicians, what do the musicians call you??
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warble
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Please don't let PG come out with any new software, I have "ad nauseam". BIAB might be spectacular for getting ideas down, but as far as recording its results on a professional project, not a chance. I'd reach for live musicians to avoid the "canned midi" type sound. I'm sure if I go to PG Music's website though, I'll find that everyone there is a professional musician, and everyone uses BIAB for their recordings.
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manning1
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the idea warble is not to lay down "canned music".
have you ever tried it ?
its used by a wide swathe of different people from normal musicians to professors of music. because of the ease of getting songwriting ideas down quickly either simply or in complex arraangements.
if you take the time to research youll find there are even jeff lorber
(a well respected musician) soloist series associated with biab.
have you ever tried it ?
its used by a wide swathe of different people from normal musicians to professors of music. because of the ease of getting songwriting ideas down quickly either simply or in complex arraangements.
if you take the time to research youll find there are even jeff lorber
(a well respected musician) soloist series associated with biab.
warble
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I work out ideas by creating simple rhythm tracks, then laying down keyboard parts and vocals. I have a good network of musicians I work with, so I just have someone stop by to lay down guitar tracks, etc.
Yes, I have tried it Manning. I've tried Powertracks Pro too. Actually, I used Powertracks back in the 90's. Don't accuse me of not doing my research, I've used both products. Matter of fact, think I said BIAB it might work well for laying down ideas - so I wasn't exactly insulting it totally. I'm simply stating my opinion, just as you get to relentlessly state yours here. I know who Jeff Lorber is too. I'm pretty sure he hasn't used BIAB on his recordings.
It amazes me how defensive you get when anyone states on opinion other than one that conforms to PG music software. I said not long ago I was gonna keep quite about this, but I've come to the realization that there are a growing number of people here who feel similar to what I do about all this, and I really shouldn't worry about expressing my opinions.
I still have PG ad nauseam too.
Yes, I have tried it Manning. I've tried Powertracks Pro too. Actually, I used Powertracks back in the 90's. Don't accuse me of not doing my research, I've used both products. Matter of fact, think I said BIAB it might work well for laying down ideas - so I wasn't exactly insulting it totally. I'm simply stating my opinion, just as you get to relentlessly state yours here. I know who Jeff Lorber is too. I'm pretty sure he hasn't used BIAB on his recordings.
It amazes me how defensive you get when anyone states on opinion other than one that conforms to PG music software. I said not long ago I was gonna keep quite about this, but I've come to the realization that there are a growing number of people here who feel similar to what I do about all this, and I really shouldn't worry about expressing my opinions.
I still have PG ad nauseam too.
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bigdaddyd
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Again, I know there is a market for this, and in the future I hope to dip into adding PC music to my credits. But Im a musician first. Im learning guitar. To actually hear someone try to eleminate the "becoming a musician" and let a computer figure out harmonies and such is like putting a fart cannon on a car and calling it high performance. I feel there is more of a right of passage that needs to be earned.
I guess I dont want Rock music to come to this. The boy bands, fine. Just not rock. Please! It seems so unearned.
Not meaning to step on any toes, there is just so much passion and feeling that comes out of an instrument, how could you possibly share that by playing your computer. Instruments First.
thats all.
I guess I dont want Rock music to come to this. The boy bands, fine. Just not rock. Please! It seems so unearned.
Not meaning to step on any toes, there is just so much passion and feeling that comes out of an instrument, how could you possibly share that by playing your computer. Instruments First.
thats all.
warble
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bigdaddyd said:
I'm with you on your philosophy here. You never know what will come out of picking up your instrument and just putting some feeling into what you're doing. I find it easy to just fire up my multitrack software, and lay down some simple ideas that sometimes explode into some decent compositions. I'm more of an improvisational musician as well, so I feel that freedom by doing it this way.
BentRabbit
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warble said:
Agree,
I can't count how many times inspiration has kicked into overdrive when I'm tinkering on a totally different chord progression/melody line...
I'll find myself trying to 'force' the music into where I might have perceived it initially, when at some point, my brain kicks in and says: 'pssst... are you even listening to those 'mistakes' '
All of a sudden things start flowing...
I can't imagine doing that with a canned ensemble... but that's just me...
If someone else gets their inspiration using BIAB or the little "Yankee Doodle' loop on their Casio, or whatever, so be it...
