How much better is protools than everything else?

[JFogarty]

Re: Why pro tools is good

. Ive used both programes and i know what i prefere.

Thats the thing. Its what you prefer. The digi 001 doesn't kill in its price class but it definatly contends. And if you prefer the pro tools interface, which I dfinatly do, then its the way to go. You should recomend people try out pro tools and logic and see what they like. Oh wait, they can't try out logic. Nevermind.

 

[M.Brane]

I hope protools and mac go the way of betamax.

Yes, sadly most people will choose quantity over quality every time.

Originally posted by RWhite
All I know about Protools is that the "free" downloadable version was/is a piece of bug-ridden crap.

You must have a PeeCee. The free version runs just fine on my 6 year-old Mac.

Cheap
Fast
Reliable

Pick two!

 

[lucid]

thanks for all the info...

leeking, no i am not interested. don't have that kind of money!

 

[elevate]

Yes, sadly most people will choose quantity over quality every time.

You're right, Betamax was the better product.

You must have a PeeCee. The free version runs just fine on my 6 year-old Mac.

This says more about Digidesign's software development than anything else.

 

[TexRoadkill]

my 2 cents-

Once any platform becomes industry standard it becomes to risky to deviate from that standard if you want to be competitive. Since most pro studios use ProTools it makes sense for every one else to use it so they can easily exchange data, mixdown info, etc. You also will find more ProTools jockeys with actual pro experience than you would with other systems. It makes good business sense to stick with a safe technology and platform.

As far as Apple goes their greatest single mistake was not licensing their OS to other hardware MFGs. They had completely captured the multi media production market but without 3rd party mfgs they couldnt penetrate the cheaper home and small business markets.

 

[bdemenil]

You're right, Betamax was the better product.

Maybe i should have chosen a better example - like American cars - they look good, people feel attached to them, but they're junk.

I think protools dsp cards are not so great compared to the fast PC CPUs around now. I'd bet with my dual MP 1600s I have more DSP than a pretty substantial protools rig. i definitely have more than alot of proffesional studios I have seen which run protools. Now, with a PC, there's no reason why you have to stop with dual - why not get 8 CPUs - I'm sure you're getting more DSP power for your money than you are with Farmcards or the TC Powercore for that matter. Digidesign, TCWorks, and the others will not be able to compete with hardware DSP as long as PC CPUs are advancing so rapidly. So instead, they go the way of macintosh - force you to buy their hardware if you want to run their software. This means less competition, and higher prices/ lower quality for the consumer. This is why I say I'd like to see them go down the drain. What i'd realy like, is for Digi,TC, and Apple to make their software able to run on a variety of hardware platforms - allowing the consumer and the marketplace to determine which is best.

 

[M.Brane]

Maybe i should have chosen a better example - like American cars - they look good, people feel attached to them, but they're junk.

I own three american cars. One has over 300K miles on the clock and it's only on it's second engine. The other two both have over 100K on the original engines. I would drive any of them anywhere. I do own a Japanese motorcycle, but I wouldn't ride it very far.

I think protools dsp cards are not so great compared to the fast PC CPUs around now. I'd bet with my dual MP 1600s I have more DSP than a pretty substantial protools rig. i definitely have more than alot of proffesional studios I have seen which run protools. Now, with a PC, there's no reason why you have to stop with dual - why not get 8 CPUs - I'm sure you're getting more DSP power for your money than you are with Farmcards or the TC Powercore for that matter. Digidesign, TCWorks, and the others will not be able to compete with hardware DSP as long as PC CPUs are advancing so rapidly.

Again, quantity over quality. Sadly Apple seems to be moving in this direction as well. Disposable hardware. Good thing I don't have "Fastest Computer" disease. I can't afford to buy a new one every 6 mos.

So instead, they go the way of macintosh - force you to buy their hardware if you want to run their software. This means less competition, and higher prices/ lower quality for the consumer. This is why I say I'd like to see them go down the drain. What i'd realy like, is for Digi,TC, and Apple to make their software able to run on a variety of hardware platforms - allowing the consumer and the marketplace to determine which is best.

Your missing the whole point of why they do it this way. Digi sells proprietary systems that work. They don't have the recources to beta-test every possible hardware combination on all different platforms. If you buy a PT system, install it on the recommended Mac and configure it properly it will work. The big studio's time is very valuable. They and many others are willing to spend the extra money to avoid the headaches and get to the task at hand: recording! Same goes for Apple. They sell a computer that has pretty much everything you need for everyday home computing already installed and tested. Plug it in and go. Not everyone likes pouring over the endless choices of PC motherboards or command line shit.

Proud to be part of the "5%"

 

[Teacher]

Your Silly.

how come...i interact with people who use the REAL pro tools system (not just LE) and the general consensus is the converters suck...it may be a myth that other programs sound better but PT is expensive for nothing

www.prosoundweb.com

hit the rec pit and be enlightened BTW its called Alsihad not Pro tools(they feel callin it a Pros tool degrades the word "pro")


just to comment on PT gives u that old school pro feel....u can mix wit an analog desk wit any DAW u don't have to mix wit the mouse...that would seem more "old school" then usinga digital TDM system

 

[bdemenil]

Your missing the whole point of why they do it this way. Digi sells proprietary systems that work. They don't have the recources to beta-test every possible hardware combination on all different platforms.

No, you miss the point. They could easily build protools to work reliably with 3rd party hardware (just like everyone else - inlcuding some who have far fewer resources than digi). They don't want to. They want to force you to buy their hardware. This is not for your benefit, it is for theirs. It would be better for you if you could choose for yourself whether to use their hardware or another manufacturer's.

As far as time and configuration. Regardless of the plaform you use, once it is configured, it stays that way. All these digital systems are far easier to maintain than analog recording equipment.

Plug it in and go. Not everyone likes pouring over the endless choices of PC motherboards or command line shit.

It used to be engineers knew their equipment inside and out - sadly in the digital age, many choose to remain ingorant - how else could they be satified with a G4?

Again, quantity over quality. Sadly Apple seems to be moving in this direction as well.

Again you don't understand the forces at work. Quantity = quality is a more accurate equation. Intel and AMD sell so many chips, that they can #1 : produce high quality chips at a lower cost. #2 : invest more in research - thus insuring that the quality of their product continues to improve at a rapid pace.

I refer you to another thread for a discussion of Mac vs PC hardware.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=45357

 

[hokypokynose]

Digidesign and Focusrite run the audio world cartel...

 

[lucid]

tis a sad, sad world

 

[Clark_Griswold]

I am sure the engineers in studios around the world agree with you all and are ditching the Digidesign gear as we speak...now that they know that it sucks.

 

[bdemenil]

I am not saying that protools is a bad product. I am critizising their business practice of forcing the consumer to buy their hardware in order to run their software. It would be better if the consumer had a choice. From a hardware standpoint, you can do better for the money, and even if that wasn't the case, it is still better to have a choice.

For instance, most studios that can afford to buy stand alone converters. That means the ones they are forced to buy with their protools rig go unused - i'm sure they would prefer not to have to pay for equipment they aren't going to use.