How many people here DON'T use pitch correction in there mixes?

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I've got an autotune type of thing on my board but I have no idea how to use it. :o
If my shit's out, I retrack it.
If it still sucks, I hand out enough beer to my friends til they think it sounds good. :)

which, btw... I've found that on most of the takes that make me cringe is hardly (if at all) noticed by my pals/fambly. The mistakes are always small but enough to bug me.

So I've learned to relax a bit and not try to make it "perfect".
That put some fun back into it.
 
Only on singing vocals, I have a pop singer and a Soul singer I use a real pitch correction software I use melodyne not auto tune. I do use picth correction but as pitch correction not as an effect. Auto Tune is not a pitch correction software it is an effect.
 
miroslav said:
What does that mean...?

If the singer sings 0.2 cents flat...do you set it to only correct 0.1 worth...???

Just not understanding what/how you do pitch correction "tastefully"....?...unless you are saying that if the singer is way off, by NOT forcing the correction all the way to 100%...that it's more "natural"...hence "tastefull"...?

I know why they just have it "ON" all the time for some singer in live situations....but I don't get why you would use it on every singer, every vocal all the time during recording? I mean, if the singer is solid, but only has one-two notes off here-n-there...why continuously process the entire vocal rather than spot-fix just the one-two notes???
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Are you familiar with Melodyne? you can move things note for not and not just have a math equation say how much you want to effect every out of tune note.

Tastefully means some notes i'll knock in tune... some notes i wont.... some notes i'll fix the slight drift that occurs... some notes i'll expand it.

I'd look into melodyne... there's a LOT to pitch adjustment software.
 
CMB Studios said:
Are you familiar with Melodyne? you can move things note for not and not just have a math equation say how much you want to effect every out of tune note.
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If you read my OP in this thread...I too already do that without Melodyne.
I use the DAW pitch correction tool to individually adjust the occasional sour note +/- as needed, and I do it by ear until I find the right amount. So in that regard we are doing the same thing...different tools.

You also said, "Always use it no matter who my singer is" which implied it was just some auto-tune process always "ON"....which is why I asked my question about what you meant and that if you use it no matter who the singer is, then what are you using for if the singer sings in-key...?

Your comment implies that no matter what...you always use it.
It just sounded like you are saying that even if Celine Dion was singing for you...you would still apply auto-tune. ;)
If you meant to say something different...then never mind, I just misunderstood your comment. :)
 
miroslav said:
If you read my OP in this thread...I too already do that without Melodyne.
I use the DAW pitch correction tool to individually adjust the occasional sour note +/- as needed, and I do it by ear until I find the right amount. So in that regard we are doing the same thing...different tools.

You also said, "Always use it no matter who my singer is" which implied it was just some auto-tune process always "ON"....which is why I asked my question about what you meant and that if you use it no matter who the singer is, then what are you using for if the singer sings in-key...?

Your comment implies that no matter what...you always use it.
It just sounded like you are saying that even if Celine Dion was singing for you...you would still apply auto-tune. ;)
If you meant to say something different...then never mind, I just misunderstood your comment. :)
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ok... sorry for your misunderstanding.
 
That's why I asked the OP my question in my first post, because using an "auto-tune" process to pitch correct is not quite the same thing as adjusting single notes manually...and tastefully. :)
It just wasn't clear which of the two you were using....and I think most people just assume it's always about the typical "auto-tune" process when the topic of pitch correction comes up.
 
miroslav said:
That's why I asked the OP my question in my first post, because using an "auto-tune" process to pitch correct is not quite the same thing as adjusting single notes manually...and tastefully. :)
It just wasn't clear which of the two you were using....and I think most people just assume it's always about the typical "auto-tune" process when the topic of pitch correction comes up.
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pre processing a vocal track is horrible, i'd never do such a thing.
 
CMB Studios said:
pre processing a vocal track is horrible, i'd never do such a thing.
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I agree.


I know that the full version of Melodyne offers a lot of options and auto-features along with the ability to do manual, single note adjustments.
AFA the manual, single note adjustments...how does that differ from the basic, pitch correction one can do on single notes with common DAW tools?
In most cases, I'm just going +/- with the DAW pitch tool on a single note...and finding what sounds best for a given note.
Is that the same thing you are doing with Melodyne?
 
YellowDwarf said:
I only use it on my lead solos.
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funny you mention that... i have melodyned a bands bass tracks before. i did not do the tracking and when i got the mix i could tell the bass was out of tune and played incorrectly...

Ran the whole track through Melodyne and prettied it right up without notice. VERY powerful tool.
 
miroslav said:
I agree.


I know that the full version of Melodyne offers a lot of options and auto-features along with the ability to do manual, single note adjustments.
AFA the manual, single note adjustments...how does that differ from the basic, pitch correction one can do on single notes with common DAW tools?
In most cases, I'm just going +/- with the DAW pitch tool on a single note...and finding what sounds best for a given note.
Is that the same thing you are doing with Melodyne?
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well to start i seldomly allow a vocal to go through that isnt "workable" in melodyne... meaning... so far gone that i cant make it sound real.

and its similar but the tools in melodyne are very very advanced... a vocal is never note to note, there's always slight dips and scoops and drifts that melodyne analyzes aswell and you have the capability to manipulate the "In between note" space. to help make it sound "real" ... you can change length by shortening or stretching notes and have it sound real (has its limits).. .easy interface to adjust volume of individual notes, pitch of individual notes, how the note goes into the next not or how the note before goes into the changed note, the length of the note, the drift of the note, the amount of vibrado, you can take vibrato and waver completely out, you can write in scoops or dips...

Basically lets you manipulate it in any way you'd like but you have to work within limits of reality or it will sound like an effect (which can be desired)
 


Entire vocal and all harmonies processed through Melodyne... but you'd never knoooooow ;)
 
miroslav said:
To the OP....just to be clear...are you talking about slappin' an auto-tune plug across an entire track, or using one of them hardware boxes in the signal chain while tracking, and just letting it pitch-correct everything on the fly...
....or are you also talking about "manually" pitch-correcting single notes, using the DAW's pitch/time stretch functions to spot-fix stuff?

I don't bother with the former, as it is very obvious to my ears when any "auto-tune" is on, and I don't have any "auto-tune" apps or boxes....but my DAW, like most, provides the ability to edit pitches, and I've done that on occasion to fix a few sour notes on vocals, guitars, bass...but there's only a small working range, so it's not going to work well on stuff that is just plain-old *out of tune*.
You can't edit an entire track to make it sound good, as more liberal editing is going to be very noticeable, just like any "auto-tune" plug/box...but you can fine-tune some stuff in small degrees and just a few spots of a track to tighten something up.
I will usually "slice out" just the single note, and see if I can adjust it without mangling it...(I'm talking like 0.0xx +/-)...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...it depends on what you are editing, and it's not something I would want to do on a lot of stuff as it's time consuming and tedious to do manually, but can help save something in a pinch...otherwise it's back to re-tracking or punching-in.
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It's mostly when it's slapped on the entire track. I hear many mixes in the clinic that have this. Nobody comments on it. The vocalist's tone is different and it sounds bad. Sometimes, the vocalist is so good, using pitch correction is absolutely ridiculous! But I suppose the one or two notes when in effect is fine.
 
CMB Studios said:


Entire vocal and all harmonies processed through Melodyne... but you'd never knoooooow ;)
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You're right. I couldn't tell.

But to be fair, it was somewhat disguised by other effects when there was little/low level instrumentation in the background. Then when it was more normal, it was the chorus and everything was louder.



I don't want to "call out" a specific member, but I heard an amazing song in the clinic where there was this girl singing and it was mostly focused on her vocals. You can easily tell there was pitch correction on. All the way through. And nobody was even saying anything!
 
CrowsofFritz said:
You're right. I couldn't tell.

But to be fair, it was somewhat disguised by other effects when there was little/low level instrumentation in the background. Then when it was more normal, it was the chorus and everything was louder.



I don't want to "call out" a specific member, but I heard an amazing song in the clinic where there was this girl singing and it was mostly focused on her vocals. You can easily tell there was pitch correction on. All the way through. And nobody was even saying anything!
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I know who you're refering to and i called it out on the first post he made about it ;)
 
I think it stinks for vocalists who try hard to have good pitch. People who are aware of pitch correction usually assume it's being used. I don't use it. I suppose I would if the song calls for it.
 
nomadx said:
I think it stinks for vocalists who try hard to have good pitch. People who are aware of pitch correction usually assume it's being used. I don't use it. I suppose I would if the song calls for it.
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If a band tells me they dont want any pitch correction and that they dont need it then i wouldnt use it... but thankfully i have not come across someone that self righteous yet.
 
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