How is WinME vs. Win2000?

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Does anyone have a preference over the other? I want to upgrade from win98 which is causing me constant headaches. I'm going to be using this for an home studio (audio) setup.

[Edited by Walter Mitty on 08-30-2000 at 22:55]
 
Most headaches I've seen with Win98 are related to the installation/ removal of software or hardware you're not using. The system doesn't have a decent way to manage this.
For what they're charging: it should!
 
Charging? Isnt windows free? LOL oh yeah nm I paid for it, yeah really i did.
 
The OS's are new versions of existing software. WinME is the new version in the Win9x series. Win2000 is also known as Win NT5, so therefore works a little like NT4. I have been using Win2000 since beginning of May and I really like it. It has the ability to repair software and if you are into networking at all, it handles multiple networks great. I haven't used WinME yet, but then again I never really used Win98 either. Big peice o' crap.

I almost started using Lynux because I liked that cute little penguin. Oh well.
 
You might want to wait....

ME is very new and I am sure is full of bugs (of course, MS calls these "issues", NOT "bugs"....:) )

I was just playing around on a friends computer last night. He upgraded from 98SE to ME and he all of a sudden started having problems. It would seem that there is some significant memory leaks with ME. I will be finding out more about it soon.

I stay away from the 9X OS's. The NT platform is very stable, reliable, and intelligent. 2000 HAS to be a better OS.....:D But, you will have a harder time finding hardware, and in some cases, software that will run on it. But, I manage along okay with it.....:)

Ed
 
My take on OSs

Let me preface my remarks by saying that in my day job I work in the IT department of a Telecom company. My current job is Helpdesk / PC tech, and I have been working with most OSs (except Macintosh) for a few years now and have formed my own opinions. However comparing OSs is a little like comparing automobile brands - if you have had a bad experiance with one you are likely to remember it for a long, long time.

Hard2hear is basicly right on in his asesment. Windows 2000 is really NT5, and Windows ME could easily be called Windows 98 Third Edition. They continue the general trends and characteristics of their predicessors. Win2000 is intended for a professional enviornment. It is designed to be far more crash proof - if one process dies it does not take down the whole OS with it. It also has nice network management features. It is more of a resource pig but this really isn't an issue anymore with RAM and drive space being so cheap. Win2000 also adds support for the FAT32 file system, something sorely missing from NT4 (this makes dual-booting much less of a hassle). However on the negative side it has no support for DOS (no big loss), much less hardware driver support, and does not poperly run some consumer apps (you can forget about playing 90% of all games out there for example). I don't know if it has any functional plug-n-play, something that was missing from NT4.

Windows ME seems (I have just installed it on one of my 4 systems at home) to be Win98 with an interface makeover plus more drivers. It has a better version of the Internet sharing feature that was built in to Win98SE. I have not had a single crash with it yet, but it is still too new to judge whether it will be better or worse than Win98. I am a bit surprised to read drstawl's commment, because I have found Windows 98SE to be by FAR the best and easiet OS to add or remove hardware - the plug and play actually works as advertised and driver support is massive. Windows NT4 on the other hard was one of the worst, with very poor and cryptic tools for setting up and troubleshooting hardware. Not something for the novice user.

In my own case, my DAW is a Pentium IIIEB 533 system with 256 megs RAM runnning Windows 98SE. I am using Cakewalk 9 with a Gadget Labs 824 card. I also use the system for other things (including the occasional game - guilty!) To date I can't recall ever having it crash, however I make it a habbit of keeping the system fairly "clean" software wise and do regular maintnence. I also use Norton Ghost to back the system up at regular intervals in case something does go wrong.

What you use is up to you, the only thing I will add is that a frequent cause of the grief I hear about Windows 95/98 is too many programs and processes running in the background. Be careful about applications you install, too many of them want to load themselves automaticly on bootup and after a while you have a boatload of crap running and are left wondering why your system is so slow. If you follow that simple rule Windows 98 can and should work just fine, but if Windows 2000 sounds like what you want, then go for it! And good luck to you whatever your choice.
 
ive been using ME for about a week now.. i got a blue screen of death 20 minutes into booting it up the first time.. i crash and freeze at least once a day .. but , i dont blame that on windows..i blame it on the 1.5 gigs of software that came preloaded on my gateway.. i ran a very stable computer for a while running windows 98..but it was a fresh install that only took up 200 megs.. bottom line , a clean o/s is a happy o/s.. once you start loading a bunch of shit you wont use and then uninstalling it your fucked.. but , windows 2k and nt4 are luckily better at controlling that issue..

windows ME is basically windows 98 with the windows 2000 icons and different wallpaper and no cool morph from the background feature..

- eddie -
 
Just as an added bit, I consulted with a few Win2000 users and have confirmed that not only does Win2000 add plug-n-play but that it seems to work quite well, making hardware setup much easier for the casual user. I intend to install Win2000 server soon on one of my home PCs to get better aquainted with it. I have 5 pcs - 3 running W98SE, one running WinME, and one running Novell. Not to mention my upstairs tenant who has two more on the same LAN, one running NT4 server w/Wingate proxy server hooked to a cable modem. Yes I am nuts.....
 
Be careful with that Win2k upgrade - if you use any old or obscure hardware there's a chance you won't have a Win2k driver for it. The only reason I'm not using Win2k on my studio machine is because there's no driver for my MOTU 1224 (and MOTU doesn't appear to be very interested in developing one, I've e-mailed them about it). I also had an Adaptec SCSI card which is apparently their only old SCSI card for which they have no plans to develop a Win2k driver. I'd go for WinME which has some nice improvements, better stability, and your Win98 drivers should still work.
 
But... more about it!

I've read the discussion here. First I must say that I changed from Windows 98 to Windows 2000 Professional because I was really tired of the losses in the registry, a couple of crashes per day. Windows 2000 is definitely more serious stuff.
And coming now to my question: my SBLive worked fine in win98, but in windows2000 it gives me a little latency (call it clicks) when I play something (not when I record, that works perfectly). I read something like it was the kernel's fault, though cakewalk has prevented microsoft and a patch is already out there. Anybody who can add further information to this? Thanks a lot.
 
I've been running ME for a week now also but no horror stories so far. I didn't have any issues with 98 either. I guess I've been lucky so far. Only reason I changed OS was I had a hard drive go tits up.
 
just a note liner-
On my Win2000 Machine (A Compaq Deskpro P3 733, 128M, 20G HD) Half-Life and Need for Speed work great. So it runs games alot better than NT 4.0.
I mean, come on...we all do it, don't we?
My win 98 Machine (P3 700, 256M, 30G HD) runs Win98 and locks up at least twice a day. It's getting upgraded tonite to win 2000!
I think the most important thing is compatibility with the hardware/recording software you want to use. I'd like to get a MOTU card, but I won't if they don't suppport 2000.
 
Don't do it!

Don't upgrade to W2k. Make a clean install (if possible) or you'll regret it later.
 
I believe Cakewalk has some stuff on their site regarding Win2000 and latency problems. I also just read a review in Maximun PC on the Gadget Labs 496 card, and they liked it in Win98 but it had driver problems in Win2000 - as I recall it made one horrendous cracking noise each time you started to record.
No question that Win2000 is more crash proof, but I still think that a careful Win98 installation can be virtually crash proof as well. Once more (bug free) drivers are available for Win2000 it will be the prefered way to go.
 
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