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barry c
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not caring is one thing, writing wrong information is another. better to not say anything
not caring is one thing, writing wrong information is another. better to not say anything
dragonworks
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I never said I played with profession musicians, you did. I said I played with some damned good musicians, and they are. One of them is one of the most respected musician in Woodstock N.Y. and, yes he is a professional, but I never said that; and there are a whole damned lot of them in that town. I would take his word over some young punks any day of the week.
I keep insulting you because you deserve it and need to get your head out of the clouds and your feet on the ground.
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Greg_L
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What was written that is wrong though? You keep implying that there are rules and certain things that have to happen for a song to be good. That just isn't so. The rules are there are no rules. That's the inherent beauty of music. You can do whatever you want with it and you're not right or wrong. It just is.
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barry c
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I have enough work to do to be a decent writer, Im a marginal musician, but I to have guys who can play with me, guys who have been on records.
But they dont pay bills. they dont pay for studio time.
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barry c
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You have been flaping your pompous gums and teaching people here that your understanding of how songwriting works is correct, you are wrong.
You didnt even know YOU had some craft
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barry c
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Firs of all, in not a young punk, secondly stop mincing words, play me the songs that all the musicians love, and I will tell you if they are well crafted, if I like the song, i will say that as well
dragonworks
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I was in the studio one time and was upset that I had played some wrong notes. I was schooled that there is no such thing as a wrong note, you live and you learn.
dragonworks
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you will tell me, now theres a real joke.
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barry c
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I already told you, the lyric writing was very hum drum, perhaps your melodies
and music up the ante, Im willing to listen
dragonworks
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I am done with you. I am not interested in your opinion. Go home and write some more kids stuff for kids.
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barry c
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You decided to join the conversation, and battle me, but you failed to show I was wrong.
Go work on your lyrics...
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Greg_L
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I'm 100% pure unfiltered craft. I exhale more craft than you will ever have. I light cigars with rolled up bills of craft. The difference is I don't go around throwing retarded cliches like "craft" around trying to make myself seem more intelligent than I actually am. No one can write my songs better than I can, I know it, and you know it too. That's what upsets you. I'm good, you don't like it, so you pick and pick, looking for a crack in my armor. It's cute.
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barry c
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I could rewrite all your songs and make them alot better. I wont be able to record them as well, and that is what most people here are responding to.
Your songs are ok, punk rock was never meant to be anything but what you wrote.
But you have made alot of comments that are wrong, just because punk music, and surfin bird are fun enjoyable songs, it doesnt mean
that they start or end the craft debate.
Im just not going to agree to there is no good and bad just likes or dislikes, cause that is not true, if that were true,
nobody in Nashville would be devoting their entire lives to writing a song that meets standard, and everybody would be asked to submit music.
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Greg_L
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No you couldn't because they are 100% completely perfect just the way they are. All you'd do is fuck them up.
That much is true. You suck at recording.
You don't understand punk rock, so just stop pretending to.
There is no debate, unless we're debating your idiotic trollish overuse of the word "craft".
The "standard" they're trying to meet is pandering to dumb white God fearing american zombies. If that's great songwriting to you, then you're dumber than I originally thought.
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barry c
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If you want to write songs for yourself, you can write whatever you want, it doesnt matter nobody wants it, maybe some people will like it
if you want to write songs for a living, dont be a freaking idiot with your comments.
if you want to write songs for a living, dont be a freaking idiot with your comments.
dragonworks
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Greg, why don't you just follow the rules?
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barry c
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He does, he writes verse verse chorus, like every commercial song out there has, and then he doesnt follow rules!
Dragonworks is back, he was done with me, now he's back
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Greg_L
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See now you're touching on a philosophical difference in songwriting. If money is the goal, then you're gonna have to write some scripted easily digestible pap for the masses. That's fine if that's what you want to do. Or you can do your own thing they way you wanna do it and chances are it will fall on deaf ears. That's fine too. There is no right or wrong. A commercially successful song isn't automatically a good song. It's just a successful song. If charts positions and sales are your measuring stick for good vs bad, then it's no wonder your own beliefs are so fucking cliche.
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Greg_L
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I follow my own rules.
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barry c
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No, money has nothing to do with it, there is good songwriting, and there is bad songwriting, THAT is the point