How does diaphragm size/polar pattern relate to mic applications?

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I finally finished reading it too. I'm going to record a live performance next Thursday. I plan on using dynamic mics, two in an xy config. in front of the stage, one on the snare, one on the kick, and a condeser (KSM27) for a room mic. I'll have the room mic greater than three times the distance from the stage as the xy mics.

I'll be doing this on a regular basis, and my set up will improve as I go, but at least I feel like I know what I'm doing.

Thanks again Harvey. Next week sometime I'll post a link to some samples.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
It's kinda hard for me to believe that even though this thread has received almost 110,000 views, only 89 people thought it valuable enough to even rate it (and a few of those raters thought the thread was worthless).

It is discouraging to me at times.

Harvey, I have just finished reading this very interesting thread and must add my thanks to the heaping pile that run throughout. Thanks to you I feel more capable of making educated mic choices.

Ratings aside, it is obvious to me that you are highly valued, and highly praised. I for one have never read a thread with more heartfelt thanks expressed than this one. Please don't let the few jerks keep you from providing this service - you are good at it!
 
This thread has been viewed 111,111 times so far. That's pretty impressive to me. I just wanna thank everybody that contributed to this thread - way cool!!
 
Harvey Gerst said:
This thread has been viewed 111,111 times so far. That's pretty impressive to me. I just wanna thank everybody that contributed to this thread - way cool!!

Harvey,
As one with at least 6 relatives graduated from North Texas State University, I've certainly experienced the high level of music available there. I commend you for being a service to both this HR community, and that of North Texas.

Personally, I don't have recording experience, but with the information I've gained from this thread I'm sure I'll be doing some shortly. Mics are bought, mixer is on the way...............

Thanks for the hard work.

Mark Peeples
Alice, TX
 
Tekker said:
For those who are interested...

I have updated my Word document of this massive thread (now weighing in at 102 pages :eek: ).

I have also moved it to my new website here...
http://www.freewebs.com/tekker/harveygerstmicthreads.htm


And thanks again Harvey for sharing your incredible wealth of knowlege to those of us who are less fortunate! :D

-tkr
What a Wealth of Information. Thanks for compiling this document. It's great to be able to read offline. I put it on 3 hole paper and put it in a binder.

Thanks again!
 
MS Contraption using PZM sides

Anyone heard of this one?

MS mic setup using PZMs for the sides and a cardioids mic as the center ?


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Interesting, in theory. You're actually using two 1/2 omnis, but the problem is going to be when the wavelength of the sound exceeds the size of the PZM mounting plate. Increase the size of the plates and you'll have problem lining up the cardioid to be in phase with the PZMs. But, hey, try it.
 
Ok, I know this has been an old thread but I have just discovered it and boy, IT HAS BEEN AMAZING! But it has so many pages and I have not the time to read them all...

So where do the lessons that Harvey has been writing end?


Can someone put them all on one post for me? If not, just mention where it ends




Thanks alot Harvey, you really did a good job here.
 
sweetshoes18 said:
Ok, I know this has been an old thread but I have just discovered it and boy, IT HAS BEEN AMAZING! But it has so many pages and I have not the time to read them all...

So where do the lessons that Harvey has been writing end?


Can someone put them all on one post for me? If not, just mention where it ends




Thanks alot Harvey, you really did a good job here.
It never ends man. Ya might wanna read this though: Harvey's Microphone Primer
 
Thanks!

Thanks, Harvey. Been coming back periodically for the last few months. Encycolpaedic thread.

Regards,
Brendan
 
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Mic Configs./applications

Some additional info: Thanks to the folks at Oade Brothers Audio Oade Brothers Audio(Doug Oade is a genius) taperssection.com , and dpa.

DPA Microphone University

Oade Brothers Audio Microphone Info

Basic Stereo Setups using Small Diaphragm(SD) Microphones


ORTF

The French Radio Organization developed this technique. A high quality, matched pair of cardioid condenser microphones are placed 17 cm apart at an angle of 110 degrees. The distance from the ensemble will determine the amount of room reverberation - further away from the ensemble will have more reverb and closer placement will have less room sound. A good starting placement would be approximately 7 feet away and 9 feet up.

NOS

This technique was developed by Dutch Broadcasting (Nederlandsche Omroep Stichting).The NOS is similar to ORTF, however the cardioid microphones are 30cm apart and at an angle of 90 degrees.

RAI

(Italian Broadcasting Corporation) The RAI technique is similar to ORTF, however the cardioid microphones are 21cm apart and at an angle of 100 degrees.

DIN

(Proposed for standard in Germany) The DIN technique is similar to ORTF, however the cardioid microphones are 20cm apart and at an angle of 90 degrees.

Olson

The Olson technique is similar to ORTF, however the cardioid microphones are 20cm apart and at an angle of 135 degrees.

XY

Two cardioid microphones are placed at 90 degrees and the capsules are positioned as close as possible.

MS Technique

This technique uses two microphones placed close to each other. One microphone has a cardioid pick up pattern and the other with a figure 8 pick up pattern. The cardioid microphone faces the ensemble (this microphone picks up the Middle). The figure 8 microphone is at a right angle to the cardioid (this microphone picks up the Sides). The cardioid microphone is panned to center. The figure 8 microphone is split into two channels and panned hard left and right. The phase of the left remains normal while the right is reversed. By increasing the level of the figure 8 microphone the room acoustics (reverb) will increase. The MS stereo technique is excellent for mono compatibility.

Spaced Omnis

This technique uses two (or three for large ensembles) omni-directional microphones evenly placed in front of an ensemble. This technique can easily produce phasing problems. A 3:1 rule should be utilized. The 3 to 1 rule states that for every 1 unit of distance from the sound to the microphone should be 3 units of distance between microphones. (Example: microphones are 5 feet in front of the ensemble - the distance between the two microphones cannot be less than 15 feet - 7.5 feet each from the center line.) The microphones in spaced omni should typically be 2 to 10 feet from the center line.

Blumlein


Blumlein uses two figure 8 microphones at 90 degrees to each other. The capsules are positioned as close as possible to each other (coincident). Because the microphones pick up in front and back both the ensemble and the room sound is represented well.

Omni Out-Riggers

For large ensembles, the techniques mentioned above can be enhanced by adding a pair of omni out riggers. Recording a very large ensemble one of the techniques above may be enhanced by adding omni out-riggers. The outriggers should be placed at the same distance on each side of the center stereo microphone array.

Acoustic Guitar

Acoustic guitar can be miked in several different ways. A little change in microphone position can have a big change in the recorded sound. Our first suggestion is to listen to the guitar as it plays - move while you listen to find the spot that has the sound you desire. Different areas of the guitar emit different sounds. Find the sound you are going for and place the mic there.

We suggest you start by placing your microphone 6" to 18" away from the guitar. Point the microphone just into the body of the guitar where the neck and the body meet. Another good starting point is 1" - 6" above or below the soundhole. For a richer sound we will set up a second microphone. The placement of the second microphone can be either at another point on the guitar (such as above or below the bridge) or a couple feet in front of the player (careful of phasing problems).

The soundhole is where the bass radiates. Pointing the microphone towards the soundhole will accentuate bass frequencies while pointing away from the soundhole will give less bass. If excessive finger noise is a problem on the neck point the microphone away from the neck and towards the body of the guitar. Backing up the microphone will also help with this problem; however there will be less definition (which could be the desired sound).

Definitely use a high quality microphone and high quality mic pre-amp for acoustic guitar! Our favorite microphones are definitely Schoeps.

Auxiliary Percussion

A high quality condenser microphone that has a large dynamic range will achieve great results for most hand percussion instruments. Often we will use Neumann KM 184s. However, the specific mic we choose would depend on the specific instrument and how it will fit into the mix. A distance of 1 to 4 feet is recommended.

Bass (Upright String)


The best place to mic an acoustic bass is six inches to two feet away. The microphone should be aimed a couple inches above the 'f' hole on the treble side of the bass. There is no standard microphone. Different microphones produce greatly different results. We usually will start with a higher quality microphone such as a Neumann TLM 103. However great results have also come from some large diaphragm dynamic microphones such as the Sennheiser 421.

Bass (Electric)

We use a Countryman DI Box and also mic the bass cabinet. The DI Box gives very good definition, while the microphone gives good body. In mix-down one of these may sound superior, or quite often we will use the combination of both together.

A large diaphragm dynamic microphone such as a Sennheiser 421 is a good choice for a microphone on the bass cabinet.

Drums


We mic the drums in drummers perspective - meaning they are panned as if you were on the drum throne. The order in which we track the drums is always the same. Kick is track 1, Snare up is track 2, Snare down track 3, high hat is track 4 etc. We suggest you try to put the same instrument on the same track every time as well - life will become much easier in the mix-down phase.

Kick Drum

The industry standard mic for the kick is the AKG D-112, but the Sennheiser 421 is also a favorite of many engineers. We have both. For a hard beater sound, mic the kick aimed towards the beater. Closer placement to the beater will result in a warmer sound while backing up the mic a bit will emphasize the transient click more. Moving the mic off center will achieve more of a skin tone. The sound you are trying to achieve depends upon the type of music being recorded and personal taste.

Snare Drum


The most classic snare drum mic is a Shure 57. This mic produces a great snare sound and can take a stray stick hit without permanent damage. We have also used condenser microphones on snare drums with impressive results. The best mic placement is just inside the rim and about 1" above the drum. Besides as putting a microphone on the top of the snare drum, the bottom should be miked as well. The bottom snare mic will be out of phase with the top so be sure to reverse the phase on your mic pre-amp. By having control of both the top and bottom of the snare drum, the mixing engineer can have greater control of how it will sound in the mix.

High Hat

The high hat should be miked with a high quality condenser microphone 3" - 6" over the edge of the top cymbal. Be careful not to place the mic too close to where the cymbals meet. Air is forced out from these cymbals when played, and thus could distort the microphone. There is no standard microphone for the high hat, but our personal favorite is the Neumann KM 184.

Toms


For greater control in mix-down we individually mic each tom. We use Sennheiser 421 microphones on all toms. These are the classic tom mic. (Take note that Shure 57s also sound great.) The mics should be placed 1" above the top tom head and about 2" in from the rim. Floor toms should have the microphone placed 2" - 3" above the head.

Overhead Mics


Overhead microphones can be placed in several different locations. We prefer to use a stereo bar, directly above the drummer, with the microphones angled towards the drums and outwards at approximately 90 degrees from each other. This gives good separation and minimizes phasing problems.

The microphones should be high quality condenser mics. The AKG 414 is the choice of many engineers for overhead miking. We have had excellent results with our 414s (both the TLII version and the classic version) as well as with some small diaphragm condenser microphones - such as Schoeps CMC5 w/ MK4 capsule and Neumann KM 184s. The microphones you use should be a pair of the same microphone and preferably matched.

Cymbals


Placing microphones on each cymbal will give greater control to the mix-down engineer, but can lead to some serious phasing problems. If time and tracks allow, we will mic each cymbal. Later in mix-down we may only use the overheads. However, there are definite advantages to having the luxury of separate cymbal tracks.

The microphone should be placed on the opposite side of the cymbal that the drummer hits and at a distance great enough that there is no threat the cymbal will hit the microphone.

A high quality condenser microphone such as Schoeps or Neumann KM 184 works very well on cymbals.

Electric Guitar

We almost always mic electric guitar - even when going for a clean sound. The sweet spot on a guitar amp is just off the center of the cone. If you want more brightness and definition face the microphone towards the center of the cone. To have a fuller, but less defined sound, move the microphone more to the outside of the cone. If you choose this position you will need to be careful not to create too muddy a sound. Later in the mix the guitar could sound horrible.

Besides this microphone we will often place a second one several feet back (6-10 feet), which will be a delay mic. In the mix the two microphones can be panned somewhat and will achieve a very full sound. The guitar in the mix will be at the same volume but will appear thicker.

If using a two speaker cabinet placing different microphones on each speaker at different spots on the speaker will lead to great stereo results.

One of the classic microphones used for electric guitar is the Shure 57. Although this microphone achieves good results we usually use high quality condenser microphones - such as Neumann TLM 103s or AKG 414 TLIIs.

Horn Section

Often the best way to mic a horn section is with a stereo pair of mics. A technique such as ORTF, NOS, Blumlien or XY can achieve an excellent balance and openness unobtainable by using individual microphones. If possible both stereo microphones and individual microphones should be used. Later in the mix, either one or a combination of both can be used.

Trumpet / Flugelhorn

Unless bleed from other instruments is a serious problem the trumpet should be miked no closer than one foot. One to three feet is a good working distance. The microphone should be placed off the bell center. The microphone selection depends upon the player. Dynamic, large diaphragm condenser, and ribbon microphones can all work quite well on trumpet or flugelhorn. A 10 or 20 db pad may be needed due to the sound pressure levels of the instrument.

Saxophones


A high quality condenser such as the Neumann TLM 103 should be placed about 1 foot in front of the player aimed just off-center from the bell. A second microphone can also be placed a couple feet further back. The two can be blended for a full lush sound.

Trombone

A large diaphragm dynamic, condenser or ribbon microphone placed a couple inches to a couple feet away, and aimed off center the bell, will achieve best results. If the microphone has to be placed close a 10 or 20 db pad may be needed.

Keyboards


Keyboards should be recorded as line level sources in stereo. Use caution when using reverbs from a synthesizer. Reverb can always be added later in the mix, but not taken away from a recorded signal. If uncertain, either do not record with reverb on the synth, or send the reverb out different outputs on the synth. Thus the effect can be recorded to a different track and its use can be decided in the mix when the mixing engineer can hear how it will affect other instruments.

Piano

Always use a stereo pair of microphones for piano. For rock and roll piano we place the microphones inside the piano approximately 6" to 12" above and facing the strings - one microphone centrally located on the low strings and one on the mid high strings. Placing the microphones closer to the hammers will achieve a more percussive recording. (Please see the classical piano microphone technique in the Location Recording Tutorial.)

Vocals

The most important aspect to capturing a great vocal is to make the vocalist comfortable. Microphone selection is completely dependent upon the artist. A microphone may sound perfect for one artist and sound hideous with another. A good starting place would be a high quality large diaphragm condenser microphone such as a Neumann TLM 103.

The microphone should be placed approximately nose level pointed down towards the mouth. The microphone should be about 6" to 12" from the mouth with a windscreen ½ the distance between the singer and the microphone.

A windscreen (popper-stopper) should be used for two reasons. The first reason is to prevent loud bursts of air from distorting the microphone on consonances such as the infamous 'P'. The second is for microphone protection. Saliva or food particles can hit and dry on the diaphragm of the microphone.

Room acoustics are quite important. Sound absorbing material such as Sonex placed behind the singer will drastically improve the recording.

Because the voice has a wide dynamic range we almost always use soft limit on vocal tracks. If a vocalist suddenly increases in volume, the soft limit will prevent the signal from distorting.


Large Diaphragm Microphone Configurations
 
Micing vocal

For several years I've used a matched pair of condensers to do stereo micing of a vocal. Any thoughts on stereo micing the vocal?
 
Hmmmm

Just found this thread and have done the first 8 pages. I think we should band together and nominate Hrvey for man of the year award.
 
Harvey

I am just in the process of printing out this entire thread - gott go to the store and get another cartridge. What you hve shared with all of us is truly invaluable. It doesn't matter how much theory one reads, there is nothing like on the ground experience.

Thanks and Best Regards Jay

PS I rated the thread. I wihs everyone who reads it did - would be nice.
 
Harvey,

I used two of the MXL V67s on a female vocal in a stereo configuation and it came alive!! Great mics. I also really like the MXL V69 Tube mic. Keep up the good work.

Paul
 
Harvey

You may have already answered this one and I just can't find and in that case my apologies. Do you hve a suggestion for mikes for recording lp style Dobro. I am thinking one over shoulder and one in front ro maybe even stuck close. Will have to experiment but wonered if you have a favourite mike for this sound.

Thanks Jay
 
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