How does diaphragm size/polar pattern relate to mic applications?

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[BThe instrument and mic cables are not the best, but I don't think they're horrible. That could be it. Maybe the inst and mic cables are too close to the power cables. Could that be it? A hum eliminator or whatever would probably be a good idea, though.

Thanks. [/B]

When i get to close to my amp w/ any of my guitars the hum increases in volume, also at certian standing postions it does the same. What kind of cables do you use? I use horizon and they seem to work good enough for me.

I doubt now that its your guitars. How many pedals do you have in your signal path if any? the more you have the more the noise increases.
 
Hum

To be honest, I'm not sure what brand. They are cables made for a music store I used to work at. I have Horizon cables too and I think the demo cable is just as good. That could be my "weak link". I think the problem lies elsewhere tho, like in my setup. I was just wondering if my problem was something typically encountered in similar situations.
 
I have a question for Harvey that believe it or not has not been adressed (at least as far as I can tell and I've read through this several times)....

One of my projects that I am about ready to record is a bass oriented (some call it "lead bass") rock album ala Stuart Hamm and John Paul Jones (at least his last solo album, not the Zeppelin years) and the usual direct recording for bass is not going to cut it. It has become painfully obvious that I need to mic a cabinate to get the high end sound I am looking for. Should I treat it the same as a regular guitar cab?

I have a Harke 4x10 cab and a Fender Spectrum 1x18/2x10. I am planning on using the Harke because the Fender is a little boomy for the sound I am looking for. My mikes: 2 Shure SM58, 3 Shure SM 57, 1 AT25, and 2 SP C-1.

I figured I'd use two 57's up on the cones and maybe a C-1 further back....if the C-1 doesn't add anything then I'd dump it. There are no restrictions in the number of tracks available. Does this sound right? Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks goes out to:
1) Harvey, for sharing all of this knowledge with us.
2) Harvey again because he has saved me so much time and tears of frustration.
3) Tekker, for compiling it all into one document. I wish it could be put on page one because it would have saved me about 5 hours of copy and pasting until I came upon his thread listing his link :rolleyes:
4) Harvey one last time, for taking the time to do all of this question and answer stuff on top of just posting the basic info. I can't tell you how much I appreciate this thread.
 
Did anyone have suggestions for how I should go about miking that bass cab? (2 posts up). Any help is really appreciated.
 
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Sorry, I missed your question first time around. You might try the AT25 on one of the Hartke speakers, either of the bottom two speakers for bass, or the top two for a little more high end. We've been using the D112 for miking bass cabinets lately, and it sounds pretty good when combined with a DI signal from our outboard preamps, like the Great River MP-2NV or the Milinia Media SST-1.
 
Thank you very much Harvey. After I typed it out and reread my thread I was wondering about that AT25...i remember the guys at the local sound store said it had great bass response. I wasn't sure if those 57's were going to have enough low end response, but since this project has lots of finger tapping and I am looking for real crisp high end I thought I might give them a try. I'll try the AT25 ....
 
Would someone turn on a light already, so people will quit bumping into this thread? :eek:


btw, Axis... it's the bottom middle one. :D

-tkr
 
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If you haven't read this thread yet, get a 6-pack of your favorite beer, get comfortable, and put LOTS of paper in your printer...you'll want to print the .pdf file when you're done...in a day or so...
 
H2oskiphil said:
If you haven't read this thread yet, get a 6-pack of your favorite beer, get comfortable, and put LOTS of paper in your printer...you'll want to print the .pdf file when you're done...in a day or so...
Thanks for calling this to my attention. The most informative thread I've ever read anywhere. I also want to thank Harvey for his kindness!
-Flatpicker
 
miking Leslies?

I killed a good 4 hours reading this thread yesterday! What a great thing you have done for us, Mr. Gerst!

What I don't see in here is how to mic a Leslie. My church has a great little L-100, hooked to a beefed-up Leslie 147. For recording organ parts, I'll usually just use a B-4 in my studio, but I've got a couple of gospel-style pieces that need the Mavis-n-Lucky treatment, which means I've got to mic the Leslie, and cover the bass as well as the manuals.

mics at my disposal:
4 Shure AXS-4s (similar to the BE-4)
1 MK-319
1 SM-57
3 SM-58s
1 Green Bullet

I'm also considering buying:
2 MC012s or
2 Marshall 603s and/or
2 Behringer 8000s,

but am open to other suggestions.

One last limitation:
If I use my VS-840 for the recording, I'm essentially stuck with a stereo mix - despite its 4 inputs, the 840's zip disk is so slow that it can't write the 3rd or 4th track unless I seriously drop the resolution.

That's a WHOLE lot of detail for a VERY specific task, so maybe the questions for this thread need to be: How do I mic a Leslie if I'm kicking bass? What if I'm not? Do the mics I use depend on where the organ needs to stand in the mix? What if it's a different instrument (RIP, Danny G.!) through the Leslie? And does the answer change if I use a 122 or a MotionSound instead of a 147?

Thanks again for a great thread. BOOMP!

Jay
 
Jay,
A friend of mine went into the studio a few weeks ago to lay down some B3 tracks. The engineer/studio owner stuck a 57 right on the slot that lines up with the horn. The engineer is also a keyboard player and that's what works for him.
 
So, if I really wanted that stereo doppler thing, could I X-Y a pair of 57s? I don't think I've seen X-Y and SM-57 in the same sentence yet...
 
Well, I came to this board with a hundred questions, and was quickly directed to this thread. Now I only have a couple of dozen. :)

Harvey,

I don't know if you still check out this thread from time to time, but I thought 'why not take a shot at a few questions.' At the least, perhaps some other knowledgeable folks will have some advice.

You touched on grand pianos several times, but never really got that in depth on them. To give you a bit of background, I want to make recordings of my grand in my home. It's in a fairly small and dead room, and this is the only instrument I intend on recording in the foreseeable future (of course, like any project or hobby I get involved with, it will probably become an addiction :) ). I've read this thread entirely, and I also read and absorbed the "Microphones: Method of Operation and Type Examples" by Gore and Peus that you recommended.

If I have indeed understood things, then I should be looking for a small diaphragm condensor or dynamic microphone for accuracy instead of coloration (that larger diaphragms give), and a fairly low self noise to catch intimate passages adequately. I also gather that I should be looking for an omni-directional or wide cardioid pattern. And, I should probably look for a pair (matched if possible) for stereo recording.

I'll stop here and ask a question: there was a list of possible microphones given a few pages back, and you gave some general comments on those (and I've made a note of that list). In my case, I don't have the luxury of having multiple microphones to play with looking for the sound I want, or a convienient way of purchasing on trial different mics to audition. Instead, I'll have to make the best informed decision I can, and hope that the mic pair I purchase is satisfactory. Could you give any suggestions for a specific mic? If you only had one shot at recording a grand (not in a concert hall, mind you), and could only choose one mic model and hope for the best, what mic would you choose?

Now, about placement. As I said the room is fairly small and dead (and could easily be made 'more dead' if that would indeed be helpful). From reading your wonderful advice, it would seem that an X/Y pair (or perhaps even near-coincident) a couple of feet to the side of a high-stick lid would be a good place to start with placement... if the room was nice. Mine is not. Perhaps bringing the mics closer (under the open lid) to record in their near-field would help to reduce the effects of room modes and odd wall reflections.

Which brings me to my second line of questions. I've heard several people speak of good results with wide spaced micing under the lid of a piano. Wouldn't that cause phasing problems? I'm not really interested in mono compatibility (since this will be primarily for friends and family), but I want to avoid as many complications as possible. Would an X/Y setup under the lid have trouble with a balanced frequency response, especially considering that some strings might be in the near-field while more distant ones would not? It would seem for that omnis might be better suited than cardioid...

I suppose the bottom line questions is: If you were attempting to record a grand in such a room, where would you start? I know that mic placement plays a role in mic choice as well, so that makes it that much more difficult for me. I think you understand what I'm after... the crucial part is choosing a mic pair that is workable, and I can play with placement ad infinitum (but starting suggestions are nice).

Also, I'd like to add my thanks to that of many others over the past year and a half. I can't imagine how much time it would have taken me to assemble the collection of information contained in this one thread by scouring the web. For that, I am forever grateful.
 
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