How can i make my guitar tracks sound like powerfull distortion with a cd quality???

[UberGawkman]

UberGawkman I've heard your clip before... just excellent... I love Uber's. The guitarist in my son's band has one... thanks for sharing the settings...

Did you hear that on Harmony Central? We posted it up there recently....


wishtheend - Dude, glad you like! Currently I'm trying to get my hands on an ENGL Special Edition, which I've now officially dubbed my dream amp.

Salt Lake City? You guys have heard of us in Salt Lake City? Kickass!!! Must go on tour.... and ABCDEath is indeed a great song. Thanks for the props!

 

[Sonixx]

Did you hear that on Harmony Central? We posted it up there recently....

Probably... I frequent HC often...

 

[timmerman]

hey i was wonderin i havea fender squire and a fender amp how do u make ur guitar have distorion

Step 1: Open up the window from your top floor.

Step 2: Pick up the Fender Squire and hold it in one hand.

Step 3: Pick up the Fender Amp [it is a little practice one eh?, sure it is not a Squire one as well?]

Step 4: throw the whole lot out of the window, and record the noise it makes on a Ghetto blaster. Make sure you get the recording right as you can only do this once.

Step 5: Start asking yourself questions like: Why do I play guitar? What do I do to entertain myself? Where do I get my kicks from? If you cannot answer any of these questions, you should not play any guitar at all, and not even THINK about distortionsounds.

Step 6: Within time you may be able to do 5, then you will be ready to experiment, read interviews from well-known guitarists, learn about their tricks and try some of that for yourself with your own modest means.

Of Course, you could get any kind of distortion with any kind of guitar and any kind of amp.

I can get killer sounds out of a Marshall MS-4 but I am not going to tell you how, as you need to learn to experiment for yourself, and really it is not all that hard, but it may require some time, you see THINGS DO NOT COME EASY,EVEN WHEN YOU THINK ALL THE ANSWERS ARE THERE WITH INTERNET AND BBS, forget it, find them yourself, and you will be rewarded with killertone, great friends and a great life................

Now go out and seek my young friend.

Eddie

 

[Sonixx]

I can get killer sounds out of a Marshall MS-4 but I am not going to tell you how...
Eddie

Forget the explanations... Let's hear some killer tones...

 

[timmerman]

Forget the explanations... Let's hear some killer tones...

I wish I could post stuff in the MP3 forum, but I cannot.........cannot even access most of the links in there.

Okay you may want to hear Why I have looked into something like the MS 4.

It all comes with the question: "What makes the sound?"

Partly it is the amp, the speaker, the preamp, and what you may use infront of it, like pedals.

When you listen to ampmodelers and the variety of sounds they come up with it seems that there are just a few sounds, and a lot of varitions are done through the gainsettings. So in one word: If you would work with one amp and vary the settings of your distortion you will end up with a lot of different sounds.

The whole MS 4 thing started like: "Well if I can get this little guy to sound good, sure I should be able to do it with other, much better amps as well.

Not sure if you know the MS 4? Really it is not about this amp, what counts here is : Small speaker, small pre-and poweramp. So try a different preamp, add some kind of distortion in the form of a Tubecreamer or anything of that kind and see what you get.

Okay you will not get massive volume, but the quality of the sound is great.

Try the set-up over a Fender Twin, or any kind of amp, and you have a great tone.

Sure you may wonder "Great tone? What Tone?" True! there are so many of them and it is all very subjective, and depends on what you go for.


Cheers,

Eddie

 

[Sonixx]

geez... just wanted to hear your Killer Tone...

 

[ecktronic]

Nice stuff Sonixx and Ubergawkman. Both the tones are real nice. What I noticed that was the same for both of yous was that yous both used the inbuilt amp distortion and not a seperate distortion box. Ive tried and not got results like yous two, and im thinking it is the distortions I am using. Ive been using the Boss GT6 and sorts to try and get a nice natural distortion, but how can i if its DIGITAL PROCESSING!!
I mean ive got a nice JCM2000 DSL50 tube amp with 1960 4x12 cab along with PRS McCarty soapbar, so I should ba able to get a decent distortion tone from that, shouldnt I?

Anyway, click on the link at the bottom to hear some of my guitar tones.
The first two songs are not my best tones.

 

[ecktronic]

I would say the key or most immportant part of the process anyway (instead of saying everything is important to get a great guitar tone) for capturing a distorted guitar tone is the distortion box you are using, the settings on it and the amp settings.

 

[Sonixx]

ecktronic, I just listened to your clips...

I'm not sure what you have in your head as your distortion of choice, but my observation, FWIW, is your tones seem to lack body and punch. the tones, not all, almost sound like preamp distortion coming from the Line-Out jack.

I have several distortion pedals, but the only one I use sparingly, as a boost, is my SD-1... and then with the drive set low. if I can't acheive the tone from the amp(s)... I don't

-keith-

 

[UberGawkman]

Nice stuff Sonixx and Ubergawkman. Both the tones are real nice. What I noticed that was the same for both of yous was that yous both used the inbuilt amp distortion and not a seperate distortion box. Ive tried and not got results like yous two, and im thinking it is the distortions I am using. Ive been using the Boss GT6 and sorts to try and get a nice natural distortion, but how can i if its DIGITAL PROCESSING!!
I mean ive got a nice JCM2000 DSL50 tube amp with 1960 4x12 cab along with PRS McCarty soapbar, so I should ba able to get a decent distortion tone from that, shouldnt I?

Anyway, click on the link at the bottom to hear some of my guitar tones.
The first two songs are not my best tones.

Yes, you should be able to get killer sounds from that thing. What's do you dislike about the head's inbuilt distorted sound? What does it lack, and what do you hope to add by using the GT6?

 

[guitarboi89]

erm i would say that adding in an acoustic guitar is an idea... used in many incubus recordings (more morning view than science tho)

 

[ecktronic]

Cheers Sonixx. Yeah their aint any clippin going on, but i know what you mean by the pre amp distortion sound. I think it is digital distortion that has been set at like 50%!!
50% must be far too much distortion, i usually use aroud 60% for live, andy less and it sounds kinda weak live.

UberGawkman, the inbuilt marshall distortion sounds real muddy and i cant seem to get that smooth metal sound. The marshall distortion is a more crunchy sound and i suppose i would like a mixture of crunchy and smooth metal.
Saying that the dist is muddy though, i havent had a chance to play about with the tone much. I set up my marshal for live playing without GT6 recently and as i only have one set of EQ on the DSL50 amp i couldnt get a happy medium between clean and dist. If i boosted the hi for the dist, then i got a horrible ringing when it was i clean.
So i might yeild good results for dist from my amp if I boost the hi and mids, and do each part, clean/dist seperately.

To get a good clean tone, do you know if boosting the lo up a good bit along with the mids and presence would give a thicker sound?
Ta.

 

[ecktronic]

A wee bump jist tae see if yee wanna commenta.

 

[David Katauskas]

One of the things that helps me achieve a huge sound is to record 6 seperate guitar tracks, all dead center. With 2 of those 6 tracks played up 1 octave. Mix to taste.

 

[ecktronic]

Yeah ive done that before. Can sound good, but im actually talking about the rout of the tone and not the layered kebab meat with loads of fat and salt and processedness.

 

[timmerman]

geez... just wanted to hear your Killer Tone...

Since I cannot post any mp3 that may be hard. However you are welcome to visit me, I am always open to sharing a little secret with others

Cheers,


Eddie

 

[Sonixx]

Since I cannot post any mp3 that may be hard. However you are welcome to visit me, I am always open to sharing a little secret with others

Cheers,


Eddie

digitalsoundplanet.com... 10mb of free space

 

[UberGawkman]

UberGawkman, the inbuilt marshall distortion sounds real muddy and i cant seem to get that smooth metal sound. The marshall distortion is a more crunchy sound and i suppose i would like a mixture of crunchy and smooth metal.

To get a good clean tone, do you know if boosting the lo up a good bit along with the mids and presence would give a thicker sound?
Ta.

What would you describe as "crunchy" and what would you describe as "smooth"? Are there maybe some recordings that come to mind that could illustrate this?

I'll go off the assumption that my definition of "smooth" metal is the same as yours. What makes a distorted heavy metal guitar tone harsh (which I'm guessing might be close to what you describe as "crunchy") is having piercing highs. This can be taken care of with either a different mic position or by eqing out excessive highs in the mix (or a combination of both). I like to take a miced amp and rolloff everything about abou 8khz. Sometimes more.... I've gone all the way down to 4khz on some recordings to tame the high end on distorted guitars. Another thing I like to do is turn up the volume on a track and see what annoys my ears, then use a parametric eq and "sweep" for what annoys me, then cut it a hair.

As far as the cleans, I've gotten some good cleans but I don't consider myself an expert by any means, so I'll let someone else take that one.

 

[ecktronic]

Yeah my last recordings i had to cut a load from 5K up out of the guitars because of that peircing high end sound. But i know that is definetly not the way to go about getting a decent tone. Im looking to get the EQ right at recording stage.

By smooth and crunchy i am meaning different distortions. Alot of metal music has smooth sounding distortion like System of a down. Incubus, Smashing pumpkins, Muse all have more crunchy sounding distortions.