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Littledexter
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Help This Boy, Don't Discuss Around
Hi! i'm very new here so they're all gonna beat me soon ;-)
HARDWARE:
Well, i'm not a friend of "all in one" solutions, i'd search for what u like and not for what's cheap... don't u have a local store??? if not head for one. search for the first burned out redneck there and ask him, what u wanna ask here.
I use a Metric halo 2882 firewire interface (4 xlr ins and 4 symmetrical ins), sound quality is superior, wanna take a look (www.mhlabs.com).
Take care ! Macintosh only!!!
But the Motu firewire/USB stuff is nearly the same. and cheaper.
With this/these u have 8 ins / 8 outs, if u wanna use xlr, fine, but as u know, there are also adapters for xlr... (so it hasn't got to be "native" XLR)
for me the metric halo (1200$) and a pair of not too expensive monitors (i can recommend samson boxes) could do the job too. if u want a mixer, there is one software thing included with the mobile I/O 2882, should do it quite well. all the rest u can software-mix too, not as good as a hardware mixer, but well... it worx. i would not recommend behriner, buy yerself a mackie 16 channel off of ebay (300 $), the behringers are sometimes (all i used) very noisy, mackie not... btw: u will have to be coping with a "less-channel mixer", if u want quality.
Wouldn't ebay be a good idea? If u don't think so, forget it.
1000 dollars is, as i think quite enough for 5 drum mics,
cables excluded, if u want a pro version.
"all in one" box-sets of drum mics(3 to 5 mics) start at about 200 dollars.
a Sure SM 57 can be used for drums and Vocals too if u do it well, it's around
100 dollars.
don't buy a cheap mixer, better to buy a more expensive one.
f. ex. a mackie 16 or 12 channel will cost u around 500 to 800 (don't know exactly) dollars if new. Ebay price 'd be around 300,350 to 500 dollars, they'll blow away the behringer 24 channel one. what' so cool about 5000 channels if they're noisy? better buy quality, i recommend mackie.
cables: SPEND A LOT money in cables !!! they are 20% - 30 % of ur quality. nothing more to add...
mic stands: there are cheap ones who can't hold ur mic up in the air...take care they're solid.
SOFTWARE: i have many friends who illegally download software/ copy from ohers instead of buying, coz they don't have the money. if u don't have the bucks to buy...ask some friends first. i wouldn't spend any money in software if i were u.
I heared lot's of positive stuff about pro tols LE.
Logic suxx,
ableton is intuitive and easy to use, support for all hardware i posess.
melodyne is "nice", but plugin support (rtas/au/vst) isn't cool as i think.
cubase is best imho, but haven't used it(not enough money,... :-( )
My idea:
Ebay, buy
Motu interface .... ...................................600 to 800 $
Mackie 12 or 16 channel Analog Mixer ........500 to 800 $
Worst case:
only 400 $ left,
buy a set of drum mics/ other mics (an SM 57 maybe?)off of ebay 300$ (new'd be 500 or more)
100 or 150 $ for cables
Mastering with cheap earphones (but good ones) like the
K 27 i by AKG for mastering (www.akg.com) these are consumer earphones, but very good/ high quality and durable(have it myself) .....if more money left spend 100 dollars for good AKg earphones
Best case:
buy yerself monitoring boxes instead of the earphones.
(normally there's no masterng with earphones, it suxx coz earphoe's sound is different from the real sound. but u can master with earphones, bounce/compress it on a audio Cd and listen to it on Hi fi boxes, so u can check ur sound by buying a CD RW)
Better buy SOME good parts, u can use for a long time, and have good quality, than to spend all the money (2000$ !!!) in a complete system where every part of it has it's own crappy details.
Other"minimum price" parts work, but don't affect the sound, and u can, im my opinion, buy better ones afterwards, or extend it.
After 1 or 2 years:
U will find urself unhappy with nearly all parts of a Korg all in one package. u spent 2000 dollars.(2000 of em lost)
or:
U will find urself unhappy with some replacable parts of a "self built" set,
but as i said *some* u spent 2000 dollars. (1200 of em are still usable)
HELP THIS BOY, DON'T DISCUSS AROUND!
i will not be discussing about anything if it doesn't help the thread.
good luck from Europe,Austria,
these are just statements,not wisdoms,
hope it helps
cheerz, Littledexter
Hi! i'm very new here so they're all gonna beat me soon ;-)
HARDWARE:
Well, i'm not a friend of "all in one" solutions, i'd search for what u like and not for what's cheap... don't u have a local store??? if not head for one. search for the first burned out redneck there and ask him, what u wanna ask here.
I use a Metric halo 2882 firewire interface (4 xlr ins and 4 symmetrical ins), sound quality is superior, wanna take a look (www.mhlabs.com).
Take care ! Macintosh only!!!
But the Motu firewire/USB stuff is nearly the same. and cheaper.
With this/these u have 8 ins / 8 outs, if u wanna use xlr, fine, but as u know, there are also adapters for xlr... (so it hasn't got to be "native" XLR)
for me the metric halo (1200$) and a pair of not too expensive monitors (i can recommend samson boxes) could do the job too. if u want a mixer, there is one software thing included with the mobile I/O 2882, should do it quite well. all the rest u can software-mix too, not as good as a hardware mixer, but well... it worx. i would not recommend behriner, buy yerself a mackie 16 channel off of ebay (300 $), the behringers are sometimes (all i used) very noisy, mackie not... btw: u will have to be coping with a "less-channel mixer", if u want quality.
Wouldn't ebay be a good idea? If u don't think so, forget it.
1000 dollars is, as i think quite enough for 5 drum mics,
cables excluded, if u want a pro version.
"all in one" box-sets of drum mics(3 to 5 mics) start at about 200 dollars.
a Sure SM 57 can be used for drums and Vocals too if u do it well, it's around
100 dollars.
don't buy a cheap mixer, better to buy a more expensive one.
f. ex. a mackie 16 or 12 channel will cost u around 500 to 800 (don't know exactly) dollars if new. Ebay price 'd be around 300,350 to 500 dollars, they'll blow away the behringer 24 channel one. what' so cool about 5000 channels if they're noisy? better buy quality, i recommend mackie.
cables: SPEND A LOT money in cables !!! they are 20% - 30 % of ur quality. nothing more to add...
mic stands: there are cheap ones who can't hold ur mic up in the air...take care they're solid.
SOFTWARE: i have many friends who illegally download software/ copy from ohers instead of buying, coz they don't have the money. if u don't have the bucks to buy...ask some friends first. i wouldn't spend any money in software if i were u.
I heared lot's of positive stuff about pro tols LE.
Logic suxx,
ableton is intuitive and easy to use, support for all hardware i posess.
melodyne is "nice", but plugin support (rtas/au/vst) isn't cool as i think.
cubase is best imho, but haven't used it(not enough money,... :-( )
My idea:
Ebay, buy
Motu interface .... ...................................600 to 800 $
Mackie 12 or 16 channel Analog Mixer ........500 to 800 $
Worst case:
only 400 $ left,
buy a set of drum mics/ other mics (an SM 57 maybe?)off of ebay 300$ (new'd be 500 or more)
100 or 150 $ for cables
Mastering with cheap earphones (but good ones) like the
K 27 i by AKG for mastering (www.akg.com) these are consumer earphones, but very good/ high quality and durable(have it myself) .....if more money left spend 100 dollars for good AKg earphones
Best case:
buy yerself monitoring boxes instead of the earphones.
(normally there's no masterng with earphones, it suxx coz earphoe's sound is different from the real sound. but u can master with earphones, bounce/compress it on a audio Cd and listen to it on Hi fi boxes, so u can check ur sound by buying a CD RW)
Better buy SOME good parts, u can use for a long time, and have good quality, than to spend all the money (2000$ !!!) in a complete system where every part of it has it's own crappy details.
Other"minimum price" parts work, but don't affect the sound, and u can, im my opinion, buy better ones afterwards, or extend it.
After 1 or 2 years:
U will find urself unhappy with nearly all parts of a Korg all in one package. u spent 2000 dollars.(2000 of em lost)
or:
U will find urself unhappy with some replacable parts of a "self built" set,
but as i said *some* u spent 2000 dollars. (1200 of em are still usable)
HELP THIS BOY, DON'T DISCUSS AROUND!
i will not be discussing about anything if it doesn't help the thread.
good luck from Europe,Austria,
these are just statements,not wisdoms,
hope it helps
cheerz, Littledexter
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