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Yes, there are all sorts of bottlenecks and considerations TetraFish. It looks like USB will be a standard that will outlast firewire, but by the time you are struggling to connect your breakout box to future computers with firewire, it will probably be time for a new one anyway. :)

Yeah, Hopefully USB 3.0 will solve this whole debate.
 
A firewire can move more bits per second because it has a wider bandwidth, but each bit travels at the same speed. It's like adding extra lanes to a highway, the speed is the same, but you can carry more traffic.
Not according the the websites of those who created the standard. You are arguing semantics. I undersand bandwidth, I made a simple statement, Firewire is faster than USB, That does not mean because of different cabling, that the electricty of one travels faster that another, it means that one format can move data faster than other. USB.org states USB2 is faster than usb 1. Argue with them, they invented the standar.
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Not sure why we are arguing that Firewire is not faster than USB, because it is. Even firewire 400 vs USB2. http://www.usb-ware.com/firewire-vs-usb.htm
 
Getting facts straight is essential to this being a productive forum, There's no need to slag on Tobe for pointing out details. You can state your opinion in a kinder way.

I did have my facts straight, Firewire is faster than usb. http://www.usb-ware.com/firewire-vs-usb.htm


I don't care if your a noob or if you've been recording and working with gear for years, Others can point out things you never knew. Don't be so aggressive, None of us here know everything. Tobe was pointing out facts.

Im a noob, so are you, so is Tobe, he was trying to point out incorrect facts, If he would have told me I was incorrect and pointed out a fact, I would stand here right now and say, I was wrong. I have been wrong and will be wong in the future. I never stated I knew everything. I am smart enough to know what I don't know though.


Now on the original subject, I have used USB(1.1 and 2.0) and Firewire interfaces on both PC and Mac's. They have all worked fine (Aside from a bad unit here and there, it happens), as long as my system was setup and optimized for use as a recording setup.

I wouldn't cal USB bad, If you need to record more than 1 or 2 inputs at a time look into a USB 2.0 or Firewire interface. Otherwise USB is fine.

As a side note: If your going to go for a USB 1.1 interface look for one with direct monitoring(Most now have this). :D

My experience has been USB1 devices have higher latency for the most part.
 
I would think the biggest disadvantage of USB is that it is commonly used for other things. Mouse, external drive, dongle, keyboard etc. which may be using some of that bandwidth where as typically you would only have one firewire device. So just be careful that you don't have a lot of items running on USB when you're recording.

I think you are right. Because most laptops and even desktops have one USB controller, if you are using a mouse and keyboard on it, you are using up bandwidth that would be for your sound card. One of my friend is a gamer, he had a 5:1 dolby headset mic. It had to have its own USB controller (up to 8 ports)

Firewire is a seperate bus altogether I believe, may vary from manufacturer. What happens when you run out of space on your laptop hard drive and you connect a usb drive to it, then run that sound card. Would be an interesting test if you are streaming the audio to the hardrive
 
Why am I arguing with someone without any real experience? Ugh some people.
 
As usual you completely missed his point! God your an Idiot! Are you here to make wars with people? Oh my god!
Now, now chappies !
People use both and have fun and frustration both ways.
 
I only plan on recording one guitar track at a time,

Hi 11th - fellow Aus person here.

I'd recommend you not lock yourself into thinking this way at this early stage if you don't have to.

Assuming you're a recording newbie, you can't yet know what methods you may employ to record your music - you may quickly decide that you get a better sound by recording 2 channels at once, for instance.

I won't get into the debate on which interface, but don't hobble yourself by getting something that can only record one track at a time.

Good luck..
 
I don't think this thread has blown up real bad. I think everything that has been posted is accurate its just that some of the facts are not arguing the same point. Here's what I'm taking away from this thread....

1) USB 1 is ok if you're only doing one or two tracks at a time.
2) USB 2 is ok with 8 tracks at a time.
3) firewire is also OK with 8 tracks.
4) firewire is has more band width than USB. Using the highway analogy USB is 10 lanes and firewire is 20, but the speed limit is the same on both highways. so unless you have more than 10 lanes full of traffic it doesn't really matter, 10 lanes of traffic can get through in the same amount of time. (10 and 20 are arbitrary numbers and do not indicate I think firewire has twice as much bandwidth)
5) both USB and firewire present challenges when you set them up but both can work equally well with a little fine tuning.

Now lets all sing kumbaya.
 
Okay, enough with the Kumbaya crap. :laughings:

A few myths to dispell. But first, to the OP, if you're going to be recording 1 or 2 tracks at a time, a USB 2 unit will work just fine. I don't even think you can find a USB 1.1 unit anymore. Consider an interface that has good mic pres and bundled software, like Cubase LE or Sonar LE.

USB2.0 is faster than Firewire400, but not by much. In raw numbers, firewire is 400mbps and USB 2.0 is 480mbs. However, firewire can stream more data in a given time than USB. Why? Well, it's not anything like the highway analogy. In fact, both protocols are SERIAL which means, one bit at a time; only one lane. Firewire can handle more data because the transfer handshaking protocol is controlled at the device level verses USB where it's controlled by the cpu. With USB, the cpu uses interrupts to manage data transfer, data has to wait until the cpu is available to address the transfer protocol. Therefore, USB is much slower than firewire. I think USB 3.0 addresses this shortcoming and will far surpass FW800 when it is integrated.

This is the newbies section and we don't want this thread to get out of control with personality conflicts. So be polite and stay on topic.

peace,
 
Okay, enough with the Kumbaya crap. :laughings:

A few myths to dispell. But first, to the OP, if you're going to be recording 1 or 2 tracks at a time, a USB 2 unit will work just fine. I don't even think you can find a USB 1.1 unit anymore. Consider an interface that has good mic pres and bundled software, like Cubase LE or Sonar LE.

USB2.0 is faster than Firewire400, but not by much. In raw numbers, firewire is 400mbps and USB 2.0 is 480mbs. However, firewire can stream more data in a given time than USB. Why? Well, it's not anything like the highway analogy. In fact, both protocols are SERIAL which means, one bit at a time; only one lane. Firewire can handle more data because the transfer handshaking protocol is controlled at the device level verses USB where it's controlled by the cpu. With USB, the cpu uses interrupts to manage data transfer, data has to wait until the cpu is available to address the transfer protocol. Therefore, USB is much slower than firewire. I think USB 3.0 addresses this shortcoming and will far surpass FW800 when it is integrated.

This is the newbies section and we don't want this thread to get out of control with personality conflicts. So be polite and stay on topic.

peace,

ugggg, I'm so confused. so USB 2.0 is quicker when it's actually transfering data but firewire is quicker because USB 2.0 has to wait a lot.

So to resurect the highway analogy....sorry I'm an ass...
The USB highway has a speed limit of 480mph but lots of red lights and the firewire highway has a speed limit of 400mph with no red lights.

So then is it correct to say that other USB devices (mouse, keyboard etc) cause the bottle necks or could it be any operation that's happening in the cpu?
 
ugggg, I'm so confused. so USB 2.0 is quicker when it's actually transfering data but firewire is quicker because USB 2.0 has to wait a lot.

So to resurect the highway analogy....sorry I'm an ass...
The USB highway has a speed limit of 480mph but lots of red lights and the firewire highway has a speed limit of 400mph with no red lights.

So then is it correct to say that other USB devices (mouse, keyboard etc) cause the bottle necks or could it be any operation that's happening in the cpu?

Okay, if we stick with the highway analogy, then yours is a good one (you're not an ass :drunk: ). I like the red light notion. As far as bottlenecks goes, yes, any operation could slow the USB data transfer down. If there is a cpu intensive program running, you would probably see your data transfer affected. Not so with firewire. I heard one time that somebody ran 24 tracks with firewire (not a big deal), but then streamed them back out to an external firewire hard drive on the same bus. That's a lot of data going both ways.
 
Sorry Grim, Its my retail music sales and 20+ years of studio experiences with noobs coming out as frustration. :D

I had about 7 years of music retail sales, then I found a real job and started working in the computer industry. I don't have to brag about my experience though. You really don't know what you are talking about, that is why you are fustrated. LOL
 
I4) firewire is has more band width than USB. Using the highway analogy USB is 10 lanes and firewire is 20, but the speed limit is the same on both highways. so unless you have more than 10 lanes full of traffic it doesn't really matter, 10 lanes of traffic can get through in the same amount of time. (10 and 20 are arbitrary numbers and do not indicate I think firewire has twice as much bandwidth)
5) both USB and firewire present challenges when you set them up but both can work equally well with a little fine tuning.
Now lets all sing kumbaya.

M audio seems to think that you can get 32 lanes of traffic down the old firewire. Just sayin'

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge.html
32-channel Lightpipe I/O via FireWire > use digital mixers, preamps, AD/DA converters and ADATs with computer-based DAWs

The way I understand it is USB can reach some pretty fast burst speeds but as stated earlier, they cannot maintain it because of protocol overhead.
 
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Armistice, thank you for the advice, it looks like I will have to reconsider and TetraFish, thanks for that summary, makes it easy for me to understand
 
LOL at newbies blowing up this thread! :D
The children usually take their cue on how to act and be, not so much from the telly, but from the adults and what the adults legitimize....
{or something like that ! :D}

I had about 7 years of music retail sales, then I found a real job
Oooh, sharp. Mind you don't cut yourself ! ;)
and started working in the computer industry. I don't have to brag about my experience though. You really don't know what you are talking about, that is why you are fustrated. LOL

"Competition is passe
Till you look the other way !".

Armistice, thank you for the advice, it looks like I will have to reconsider

Even if you are actually only planning on recording one thing at a time, it makes sense to have a few recording inputs (I'd say at least 4) because one thing about recording, it's a good bet that you'll progress and get more fanciful as your imagination is unchained and then unleashed and you might even have a drummer move in next door........
 
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