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I have a similar post in the Newbies area, but i'm hoping the more people that read this, the more help I will receive.

I have about $2,000 to spend on a new studio. I was wondering if anyone could give me a list of products of what you would buy if you had this amount to start a studio. If possible, I was wondering if you could list both the "studio in a box" route and the pc route, discussing the advantages and disadvantages of both.

I know this is a lot, but I really appreciate the health.
 
I have about $2,000 to spend on a new studio.

Hello Brendan. If your talking "on a new STUDIO" as opposed to the EQUIPMENT, then your in the right place. But the rest of your post sounds as if your looking for gear reconmendations. Let me tell you something. The GEAR is NOT the studio. I hear it all the time. " GEEWHILIKERS, I JUST BOUGHT ME A PORTA "STUDIO" hot damn!

That is the stupidist thing I've ever heard. A STUDIO is a room or rooms. NOT GEAR. Yea, it takes that too, but without the right room, the gear is still, "JUST gear." It is the "studio" that makes it a "studio" not the gear. So the best thing I can advise is go back to the other forums for gear advice, as this forum is dedicated to the REAL STUDIO! But if you want to spend that budget on a room, well.....what do you want to know?

fitZ:rolleyes::)
 
Make sure to knock him on his ass..

A simple "Wrong Place" could have worked too. ;)

Space
 
OOPS .... Space, THAT was NOT my intention, so let me apologize if I came across like that. My intention was to tell him GEAR does Not a studio make. Your right, and I was not using my best manners. Hey Brendan, excuse me, welcome to the board, and this forum, and ignor my statements. Portastudios have a reputation . Just the name implies ....well thats why I said what I did. We all make mistakes, so forgive me. I'm not so bad once you get to know me. Just an old fart with a shitty attitude sometimes.
fitZ
 
Thanks for the clarification. I admit that I was taken slightly aback when I read your reply. I'm new to this and I didn't know people with professional grade studios got offended when a person asked about equipment thinking that would make a studio.

However, eventually, I would like to create a studio someday, though i'm sure $2,000 won't do the trick. But since I am hear, what exactly constitutes a studio besides equipment and a sound proof room?

Thanks!
 
Hi Brendan,

A 'studio' is not a sound proof room exactly, rather it is a room that enables you to hear your efforts accurately.

As far as gear is concerned you would be better served by asking your question on how to spend $2K in the newbie forum. Be sure to explain how many people you will be recording, your style of music, the instruments you may be using, etc.. The more information you can provide, the better the responses will be.

Luck.
 
Do you want to record one or two tracks at a time (regardless of the final track count) or do you need to be able to track a full band all at one take? Do you want hardware or do want to work entirely inside a computer?
 
I'm new to this and I didn't know people with professional grade studios

Hahahahahahaha! THAT is a good one Brendan:D Hahahahahah,.......oh boy, if you only knew.
For me at least, you have grossly overestimated who your talking to. Hey, if anything, if that were the criteria for speaking ones mind here, I shouldn't have even opened my mouth:p So fear not, this is ONE person who hasn't even built his "studio" yet. I was in the EXACT same boat as you not too many years ago, and I STILL havn't got my studio built. So don't worry about that stuff here. This is HOME RECORDING.com, not PROSOUNDWEB, ok? Sorry if I gave that impression. Man, what a moron I can be sometimes.;) I just have to remember when I came here....and at my age remembering yesterday is a feat in itself.

fitZ:rolleyes: ;)
 
sometimes.;) I just have to remember when I came here....and at my age remembering yesterday is a feat in itself.

fitZ:rolleyes: ;) [/B]

I still remember my first "studio". Was my bedroom, when I still lived at home. I had a tascam 244, and a Korg poly 800, and used spider webs for acoustical diffusion.

Hey, whatever works :)
 
used spider webs for acoustical diffusion.

hey frederic :confused: ......I was told on good authority that they were great for resistance absorption.... especially cobwebs:D ( good god, I couldn't resist that one) remember frederic, its only my first day....:p
fitZ
 
Track Rat said:
Do you want to record one or two tracks at a time (regardless of the final track count) or do you need to be able to track a full band all at one take? Do you want hardware or do want to work entirely inside a computer?

I wasn't quite sure. I do want to use hardware, like an 8 track, but it seems that it is unnecessary. I did go to the newbie forum and everyone suggests pc only. I was wondering what the advantages of going pc only and also going other routes.

I do want to record the whole band and record seperate tracks.

And thanks for being cool Fitz!!!
 
A mixer and a used ADAT or two would be dependable and cheep and with the right sound card (one with an ADAT optical input) you could add more tracks in the computer. You could get that and a few mics for under two grand.
 
I did basically what Track Rat advised. I started out with a used ADAT off Ebay running through a Mackie CFX-12 mixer. That gave me 8 similtaneously recordable tracks, the ability to mix them, and some really basic effects that were built into the mixer. I added a second ADAT a year later and upgraded to a larger mixer and some outboard effects, and a set of studio monitor speakers instead of the home stereo I started with. Time progresses, technology changes, but I learned a lot and now have a good sense of what works and what doesn't work.

A PC will definitely work, but it is not always as stable as a standalone recorder. I think if you know how to setup the PC as a recording machine you can avoid most of the stability pitfalls (my first attempt using the family PC was disastrous, but when I setup a dedicated PC just for recording with nothing else installed/attached I got a very stable machine). You can easily put together a decent PC setup for $2k with an 8 channel interface (like the Aardvark Q10), an entry level software package (ie. Sonar Studio or Cubase SL) and maybe have a few $$ for a decent entry level mic or some studio monitors. Its all a matter of defining what you want and doing the research to figure out what will work for your budget.

Anyway, its a lot of fun, and a lot of frustration, and you can bet that once you get started you'll never have enough money to buy all the things you figure out you "really" need. Start off with something basic and keep adding to it is my motto.

Cheers,
Darryl.....
 
wasn't quite sure. I do want to use hardware, like an 8 track, but it seems that it is unnecessary

Well Brendan, to each his own, and mine is analog. With digital frosting on the top. I LOVE tape machines, although its a matter of preference, and don't EVEN start an analog/digital debate here. Go over to the analog forum for that. Ha! They just got done with the umpteenth debate, and it always turns out the same. Dead bodys everywhere.:p But my preference is analog. I run 2 synched 16 tracks. I also have a 32 trk digital system, but I seem to prefer one button/switch/fader per function. Besides, I like to watch the tape reels turn:D
But you can find some really great analog deals on ebay, as a lot of people are dumping their analog stuff in favor of digital. So, what ever you choose....HAVE FUN!!

fitZ:)
 
Well, Brendan, you have been bitten by the bug. I could go on for 100 pages or so answering the question that you have asked, and I am really a beginner. I will, however, try to give you general useful advice in one page instead. First, realize that with $2000, you can't do everything well, so try to do something well. Try to buy inexpensive equipment that you find on the gear list of many professional studios, because when you upgrade, you will add gear rather than selling it.
Next, listen to Rick. Take a real good account of the space you have to record in. A recording studio is not a soundproofed room, it's a room that sounds good. More advanced studios may hava vocal booth or anechoid chamber (no echo), a "dead" room, that is pretty well soundproofed, a "live" room, one that just sounds good, and a "control" room, where there are monitors and buku controls. For us po' folk, this may all be one room, with an area partitioned off, or an adjacent closet as a vocal booth. Rick was pointing out that a significant percentage of your budget should be spent on the modification of your space to maximize its acoustic potential. Either make it sound good, or at least make it sound dead.
Third- spook around here for quite a while before you spend any of that precious money. Won't you be pissed, when you find out you've got RFI (radio frequency interference) in your power lines, you need a voltage regulator, but you spent all your money, and all you can record is KRAM? There are a lot of peripherals involved here, cables, headphones, mic stands, monitors. Figure out all the stuff you need to start, and make sure you have planned for it.
Next, take stock of everything you own already, computers, amps, instruments, pedals, whatever. Instruments are critical here. Nothing sounds quite as awful as a $500 mictophone in front of a bad $100 guitar.
A corollary of the above is that if the music sucks, and the instrument sucks, and the player sucks, and the room sucks, the recording *will* suck. After-production, mixing, and mastering are much easier if you start with an honest clean recording of something worth recording.
What you need in terms of gear depends on what you want to record. A live band needs many channels, many mics, and a considerable mixer. One gypsy violinist needs one or two wicked mics and a killer preamp. You cannot build your studio to do everything, so build it around the room you have, and the music you play. As far as your question about gear, you'll have to describe what you want to record. String quartet? Hip Hop? Jazz trio? Grand piano? Every recording situation requires a different approach.
I believe the heart and soul of a studio, beyond the room itself, is not what is used to record the music. It is the mics and preamps that capture the sound, and the speakers it is played back through. Probably the nastiest up-front expense are monitors. You can get pretty good cheap mics, preamps, FX boxes, compressors, digital recorders, sound cards, but there are *no* really cheap monitors that are worth a damn. The bottom feeder stuff begins at about $300 the pair.-Richie
 
May I suggest...

...to start out, get a Tascam 788 8 track hard disk recorder. It records at 16 bit or 24 bit resolution (16 bit is audio CD standard!). Records 6 tracks at once, which you can bounce down to the remaining two tracks, then record 4 more, bounce down to 2 other tracks, then record 4 more, then add 6 more tracks via the sub mixer function for a total of 20 tracks when doing the final mix. Or,use the capability to do 250 virtual tracks, and pick any 8 to playback, and the 6 sub mix channels are still there. On top of all of that, built in effects like reverb, echo, compression, distortion and flanger and chorus (for guitar), and so much more.

All this for $599.00

Then, take $400 and get a pair of decent studio monitors, like powered Alesis, Behringer, Fostex or similar monitors. Spend another $300 on good quality microphones (not GREAT quality, but perhaps 3 or 4 SM57's - you can always adjust tone to compensate for lack of response) and such, then take the remaining $700 and get a bunch of acoustic treatment materials (like RealTrap Minitraps, or other effective treatments) and get your space to sound good.

If you want to go the PC route, I hear that you need a relatively fast unit with a shitload of RAM to be able to run a bunch of tracks simultaneously. That right there would cost quite a bit, not to mention buying decent software.

Like DDev said, standalone recorders are more stable, with less tweaking involved to get it to work right the first time.

My opinion, being another relative newbie to the home recording scene. For what it's worth.
 
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