Here's Your Big Chance To TOTALLY Diss A Famous Guitarist

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Now, as for my vote, I've got three words:

San - tan - a

A bunch of directionless, noodly, Dorian-esque, noodly noodling around and never going anywhere. Also, he gets docked 1,000,000 points for continuing to beat the collaboration horse to a bloody pulp. The thing is, I'd like to like the guy; I like what he has to say about music and life in general when I read his interviews, but ... phew ... when it comes to "his" music, he doesn't have a creative bone in his body!
 
Well, the Beatles were doing backwards guitars on Revolver. And feedback appeared on "I Feel Fine," which was ... ah crap ... I can't remember the album, but it was long before the White Album.

Well, then I've been served. Thanks for the info. I think they used a Leslie on Revolver as well if I remember correctly (read it in guitar world or something). But I still stand by what I said that Hendrix used feedback to a greater effect or degree.
Santana....eh.
 
Well, then I've been served. Thanks for the info. I think they used a Leslie on Revolver as well if I remember correctly (read it in guitar world or something). But I still stand by what I said that Hendrix used feedback to a greater effect or degree.
Santana....eh.

Yeah .. I'm not arguing the fact that Hendrix was an innovative guitar player. :)
 
Yeah .. I'm not arguing the fact that Hendrix was an innovative guitar player. :)

Seriously though, Harrison needs more credit. While my guitar gently weeps, shes so heavey, blackbird (was that him?), etc. Alas, thats for another thread.
Peace.
 
Seriously though, Harrison needs more credit. While my guitar gently weeps, shes so heavey, blackbird (was that him?), etc. Alas, thats for another thread.
Peace.

Ooops! The "Guitar Gently Weeps" solo was Clapton, "Blackbird" was McCartney, and I think "She's So Heavy" may have been Lennon, but I'm not sure. :)

Now, "Something" is a great Harrison solo (and tune). :)
 
Ooops! The "Guitar Gently Weeps" solo was Clapton, "Blackbird" was McCartney, and I think "She's So Heavy" may have been Lennon, but I'm not sure. :)

Now, "Something" is a great Harrison solo (and tune). :)

Wow I need to do some research apparently. I guess I'm outta my league on this one, lol. Something is pretty super duper. I have never heard that Clapton soloed on a Beatles album ever until you said that. I'm thinking it doesn't even sound like signature Clapton, well I guess Cream era. Hmmm... you have given me much to ponder. Thanks.
James
 
Now, as for my vote, I've got three words:

San - tan - a

A bunch of directionless, noodly, Dorian-esque, noodly noodling around and never going anywhere. Also, he gets docked 1,000,000 points for continuing to beat the collaboration horse to a bloody pulp. The thing is, I'd like to like the guy; I like what he has to say about music and life in general when I read his interviews, but ... phew ... when it comes to "his" music, he doesn't have a creative bone in his body!

Ooohhh, good one. I have to side with you here.
 
Only one? But, but, but...how do you chose?


I'll take the easy one, I guess, `cause I'm lazy: Yngwie Malmsteen. One of the worlds primer proponents of baseless arrogance. I don't mind terribly if someone is an prick, as long as they can back it up when they play. In other words, being an arrogant asshole is OK, but a talentless arrogant asshole is the bottom of the barrel.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

Same here...lickety split fast but same old neo-nutty technical only riff playing. HATE that guy. I appreciate his effort to "his" craft but I'm not getting it. To his defense, I've seen him play acoustic guitar and he's clearly capable...I just don't like his delivery.

Another would be Vai...he can play anything he wants but goes to the extreme and obscure...maybe I just don't get it but I really like his older stuff. I feel like he's left the fans behind in his quest for more.

I'm going down for this aren't I?
 
Another would be Vai...he can play anything he wants but goes to the extreme and obscure...maybe I just don't get it but I really like his older stuff. I feel like he's left the fans behind in his quest for more.


For the most part I have to agree with you on Vai, but on occasion I've actually heard him do something interesting, and once or twice I've heard him do solos where the insane technical stuff was used in an appropriate manner to convey what at least appeared to be real emotion. I think the over the top technical stuff is fan appeasement.

It's kind of like this Mike Stern show I went to while I was at Berklee. We got there for the last two or three songs, and when we got there they were playing a ballad. Stern played a really nice, very appropriate, and truly lovely solo (not something you would expect of him, I know). I went nuts, but the rest of the crowd (mostly Berklee performance majors, of course) just sat there in silence - no applause at all. The bass play then procceded to play one of the least appropriate, slap and pop, all speed and technique solos you can imagine (this is a ballad, remember), and while I sat there practically puking in my drink from how awful it was, every single other person in the room was practically jumping up on their tables and dancing naked with applause. When guys like that play right, they can get a lot of negative feedback from the pimple faced idiots in the audience who just want to be impressed. As if music was a the Olympics or some such bullshit. The solos on the last two songs seemed as if Stern was trying to use up all the notes before the bass player had a chance. Truly awful. (Mike Stern, by the way, is NOT overrated - when he plays well, he plays REALLY well.)


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
Your callout has to bash a guitarist, not defend one :p So go on and hate on somebody.

SRV was just a boring partial Hendrix tribute band. I say partial, because he never did any interesting experimental stuff. I mean, his cover of Little Wing is tedious in the extreme :p Plus, he needed an ass-kicking for wearing that hat. His brother didn't need no hat, and I liked his guitar playing way better too :p :p :p

yeah wannabee blues knockoffs rule!
 
For the most part I have to agree with you on Vai, but on occasion I've actually heard him do something interesting, and once or twice I've heard him do solos where the insane technical stuff was used in an appropriate manner to convey what at least appeared to be real emotion. I think the over the top technical stuff is fan appeasement.

It's kind of like this Mike Stern show I went to while I was at Berklee. We got there for the last two or three songs, and when we got there they were playing a ballad. Stern played a really nice, very appropriate, and truly lovely solo (not something you would expect of him, I know). I went nuts, but the rest of the crowd (mostly Berklee performance majors, of course) just sat there in silence - no applause at all. The bass play then procceded to play one of the least appropriate, slap and pop, all speed and technique solos you can imagine (this is a ballad, remember), and while I sat there practically puking in my drink from how awful it was, every single other person in the room was practically jumping up on their tables and dancing naked with applause. When guys like that play right, they can get a lot of negative feedback from the pimple faced idiots in the audience who just want to be impressed. As if music was a the Olympics or some such bullshit. The solos on the last two songs seemed as if Stern was trying to use up all the notes before the bass player had a chance. Truly awful. (Mike Stern, by the way, is NOT overrated - when he plays well, he plays REALLY well.)
That's my take as well.I think musicians are more apt to disect and isolate parts of a song rather than look at it as a whole.This dovetails into the George Harrison style of playing where the lead is part of the song rather than a wankfest nailed on top of a song.

I'm not totaly on board with the Santana hating,I've always like his knack for adding spaces or gaps to his leads.If there's anything I can't stand it's a lead player who feels the need to jam every milisecond of a song with notes and doesn't know when not to play.

Fot the record,I hated the eighties hair metal,I think (almost)every song had the same generic solo gratuitously tacked onto the middle of the song.Perhaps so the lead player could get his video time in.
 
That's my take as well.I think musicians are more apt to disect and isolate parts of a song rather than look at it as a whole.This dovetails into the George Harrison style of playing where the lead is part of the song rather than a wankfest nailed on top of a song.

I'm not totaly on board with the Santana hating,I've always like his knack for adding spaces or gaps to his leads.If there's anything I can't stand it's a lead player who feels the need to jam every milisecond of a song with notes and doesn't know when not to play.

Fot the record,I hated the eighties hair metal,I think (almost)every song had the same generic solo gratuitously tacked onto the middle of the song.Perhaps so the lead player could get his video time in.

I'm sure you're right about the reasonings behind the lead in every solo. However, for a work related project, I needed to check out Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again," after not having heard it for ... geez ... 20 years or so. And I must say, Adrian Vanderberg played a pretty nice solo on that tune. It was incredibly melodic. Sure, it featured the tired, overused speedy ascending lick to the climactic high-bend ending, but the solo itself was very well played and well conceived, IMO.
 
Sure, it featured the tired, overused speedy ascending lick to the climactic high-bend ending, .

You nailed it!

I'm not saying all the solos were bad,it's just that there wasn't the diversity you found in other decades.
 
I'm sure you're right about the reasonings behind the lead in every solo. However, for a work related project, I needed to check out Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again," after not having heard it for ... geez ... 20 years or so. And I must say, Adrian Vanderberg played a pretty nice solo on that tune. It was incredibly melodic. Sure, it featured the tired, overused speedy ascending lick to the climactic high-bend ending, but the solo itself was very well played and well conceived, IMO.

Actually, thank John Sykes for that solo...as well as the rest of them on that album cause he was the one who did them....Probably Sykes's best guitar work.
I really can't stand Jimmy Page. I'm with the others as far as what has been said about him. I mean, that is really some fucking sloppy shit! Kudos to him..he's made it and all that but damn....I listen to a lot of mp3 clinic stuff from members that are more precise, clean, mistake free,...interesting than this so called "One of the greatest of all time" guitar players......What a joke!
 
That's why I wasn't %100 percent. I couldnt be positive if the Beatles used these before or after Hendrix. I just looked up when The White Album was released: 1968. It seems to me that they were both doing these things around the same time. I would have to say that Hendrix may of innovated more with feedback than George Harrison did.
I'm a huge Beatles fan too, and agree Harrison is underrated, probably because his playing was so understated (not intended to rhyme lol). I enjoy some "shredding" to a degree, providing that it is musical and not just guitarolympics.
James

What Hendrix (yuk) added was showmanship. He was one of the first people to show us what a "front man" should be.

.....other than that....it was just plain awful. From the lousy tone, to the noise that came from his fingers.
 
Actually, thank John Sykes for that solo...as well as the rest of them on that album cause he was the one who did them....Probably Sykes's best guitar work.
I really can't stand Jimmy Page. I'm with the others as far as what has been said about him. I mean, that is really some fucking sloppy shit! Kudos to him..he's made it and all that but damn....I listen to a lot of mp3 clinic stuff from members that are more precise, clean, mistake free,...interesting than this so called "One of the greatest of all time" guitar players......What a joke!

That's actually not correct. Sykes did all the guitar parts on the album except for that one solo.
 
So, this is a thread about "bashing your betters?" Puh-leeze.

I'd rather enjoy music than worry about which artist is violating my own limited sense of what's appropriate to his or her art.
 
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