help w/mixing, eq-ing and compressing acapella

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Sure. I didn't realize that you were multitracking yourself- sorry about that. If that's the case, all my advice goes out the window- you have to do what you have to do. But it'll make it impossible to get the sparkle that comes from printing the performance of all the voices working off one another, and to me that's the heart of a capella.

Anyway, all of those are stereo micing techniques, either coincident or near-coincident. They are different ways of setting up two mics to capture a stereo image.

The simplest is XY, which is a pair of cardioids set up with the capsules nearly touching each other, and an angle of 90deg between them. You then aim the pair into the center of the group you are recording, with the left mic aimed 45deg to the left of center, and the right mic aimed 45deg to the right center. This is intensity stereo- there are no phase differences to "enhance" the imaging. And because the capsules are coincident, you don't have any comb-filtering effects- so you get excellent mono compatibility. This has the least pronounced stereo imaging, and offers the least amount of room sound. Working live for sound reinforcement, I'll actually often use hypercardioids in XY to get the maximum gain before feedback. In any case, XY seems to work best in "challenging" rooms.

Next simplest is ORTF, named after the French radio network that developed it. It's similar to XY, done with a pair of cardioids, but with one big difference- the mics are splayed 110deg, and spaced 7" apart. This is semi-coincident micing, so its mono compatibility is reduced due to the phase differences caused by the spacing (you do get some comb filtering, but only up in the very high frequencies where few will notice it). However, that same phase difference gives you a much more pronounced stereo image. And because of that, you get more of the room in the resulting stereo tracks.

Blumlein is XY done with figure-8 mics instead of cardioids. In a really good room, it can produce wonderful results. In a bad room, it will be downright unlistenable. This technique allows the greatest amount of room sound into your tracks, so the room had better be up to the task! Once again, it's intensity stereo- coincident capsules, no comb filtering, excellent mono compatibility.

The last one is a little more complex, and requires either some additional hardware, or some polarity inversion magic in your preamps or board. MS stands for "mid-side", and is the only one that is done with an unmatched pair of mics- they are completely different, in fact. The mid mic is usually a cardioid aimed right at the center of the group (although some folks use an omni here as well), and the side mic is a figure-8 that is aimed *perpendicular* to the group (the center of the group is looking right into the null between the lobes- into the "dead spot"). To produce stereo output, you do what is called "matrixing": the left channel is derived from "mid+side", and the right channel is "mid-side".

The reason this works is that the two lobes of a figure-8 are 180deg out of phase with each other: a handclap on one face of the mic will produce a positive voltage, for example, whereas the same handclap on the other side of the mic would produce a negative voltage. So if you add the side signal to the mid, you get one channel- and if you subtract the side signal from the mid, you get the other one. You can vary the width of the stereo image by playing with the relative gains of the mid and side channels. Magic!

There are preamps that will do this matrixing for you, or you can take the output of the side mic preamp, invert its polarity, and sum the straight and inverted versions back to your mid mic's signal to get left and right in your mixer. It is a lot of work, but you get an enormous room sound. And with a very good cardioid for the mid mic, you can get downright astonishing results. Lastly, since it is a coincident technique, you get no comb filtering and excellent mono compatibility. The range of tonal possibilities is endless with your choice of mics, as well...

These techniques all sound different, even with the same artist in the same room, and they are all worth experimenting with. MS will always be my favorite to try first for recording small, tight harmony vocal groups, though- especially once I get a better side mic.

There are other techniques that can work well also- baffled omnis, the Jecklin disc... the list goes on seemingly forever. But I still go back to "less is more" almost every time. Hope that helps!
 
Reading your last post, Skippy, was a very humbling experience. Thank you. It opened my mind to how little I really know about audio. I knew of the XY setup but the others were unknown to me. Thank you for taking the time to help. Did I thank you? Thank you.

Thanks.
 
Exra thanks Skippy. Excellent post as usual. I may never get to try Blumlein, but I'm still interested in how it's done.


Twist
 
wturner, count me as among the happy C1 owners.
You may, however, want to also consider one of their multi-pattern microphones for your application(s).

Chris
 
Thanks. I'm looking forward to buying one. Now I just have to persuade my financial officer (wife) that I really need this microphone.
 
Jeez, W- you're scaring me! I wasn't trying to humble... Just grab some hardware, hang it, and listen. It's the best way to get this stuff under your skin. Seriously, I'm glad I could help.

I have a recording date booked for late this summer: a 150-voice women's chorus. We've booked the church, and it'll be a ballistic load-in, track all to hellandgone for 3 nights, load-out deal. I'm going to hang more hardware than you can shake a stick at, because there's no time for hacking at it: we'll probably only get one or two tries at some of the tunes, since they want 10 in the can for the final CD. So I'd better be ready from the get-go.

I'll probably hang 8 cardioids in the usual semicircle inside the risers. And I'll set up an ORTF pair about 6 feet behind the director as a safety, to the Masterlink and not to the multitrack. And I'll do an MS pair directly behind her, and 1-2 feet over her head.... And 2 feet over that (and 6 feet closer to the risers), I'll probably do a Jecklin disc omni pair dangling from the ceiling, just for shits and grins. Don't gots enough figure-8s, or I'd do a Blumlein pair as well, although in that room it'll probably be _too_ roomy. Maybe it's time to rent... And I'll print them all.

Thank Gawd I've got 16 tracks, and the 'Link for the safety. I have no idea which we'll end up keeping, but my gut feel says it'll be the MS pair! It's the director's call as the acting producer, not mine- I just have to get her the raw material. Hell, if we knew what was gonna happen, it wouldn't be research. (;-)

Anyway, get some buddies together, hang some hardware, print it, and listen. Burn the tape, or the bits. Dive in!

I just redid some of the acoustical treatments in my room, and I've been listening to that New York Voices disc again to recalibrate my ears. _Damn._

It's a Grusin deal- GRP GRD-9589. A capella, it _ain't_, but it's a good way to connect with top-shelf vocalization again... Engineered by Craig Bishop. *Get it*. "Caravan", "'Round Midnight", and "Come Home" from that disc are must-hears for folks who want to do close harmony- either with a rhythm section, or without. Listen to the vocal imaging on those 3 tracks on your monitors, and marvel...
 
Thank you again, Mr. Skippy. May I ask another question? My "studio," such as it is, is an extra 10 x 12 room in the house. Carpeted. One book shelf. Window on one wall, mirrored sliding closet doors on the opposite. What reasonably effective cheap trick can I perform to neutralize the undoubtedly poor acoustical qualities of the room so that I can just add my own with effects? Tack those egg crates on the walls? Or maybe just build a folding screen to surround myself and the mic and deaden the reverb? I know purists gasp at cheap tricks, but I'm largely a do-it-yourself, make-do-with-what-I-got kind of guy.
 
That's going to be a hard room to record top-shelf vocals in: the close spacing of the walls, the parallel walls, the hard reflective surfaces- that's going to lead to a pretty boxy sound, with slap echoes and boomy bass. It'll be hard to get really good results in there, but you can band-aid it to an extent. Really fixing it is probably beyond the scope of this site, though.

I'm a great believer in goboes: portable, reconfigurable baffles that you can set up to kill unwanted reflections and interrupt transmission paths. You can make them yourself, or you can go top-shelf and buy them. I make my own, by laminating up Auralex foam on a 2'x4' piece of masonite or MDF. I also use some Dynamat on the back side of the wood to add mass. They are useful absorbers in the vocal range, are sometimes invaluable for breaking up slap echoes, but don't do a thing about boomy bass.

Auralex has a product called the Max-Wall ( http://www.auralex.com/category_max-wall/category_max-wall.html ) which is a mic-stand-mounted, premade gobo. You could get 2 or 3 of these and use them to create a sort of portable poor-man's vocal booth to knock some of the worst of the room's behavior down. It still won't be perfect, but at least it will sound more dry, and less "dry-in-a-box"... They are a bit pricey, though.

Better yet, you can look at those products and make your own, just buying the foam. Don't do egg crates: use some of the open-cell urethane foams that are actually _made_ for doing acoustical treatments. They will work much better, and also have the attractive property of being treated for fire retardance...

You might also want to post a query on this topic in the "Studio Building and Display" forum, where John Sayers and some of the other much-more-experienced room tuners could help you out. I'm not very good at room tuning: I tend to go where things sound better, and record them there. (;-)

However, having said that: any reason you can't run a long mic cable and headphone cable, and relocate yourself to another part of the house where the acoustics would be better? Leave the gear in the recording room, but move your performance- do a really long click intro if needed, to give you time to get back to the mic. If you have a living room with varied geometries, like a vaulted ceiling, try it in there...
 
High!

There is one thing i read about and noticed that in room where I used to live as a student: open book shelfs can be decent to avoid flattering and give nice early reflections.

In the room I lived in, I had approx. 1000 books, 2 palm trees, a big bed, three desks with chaos on them, and a window with heavy curtains befroe it and one huge wooden closet. The room somehow sounded 'sun' like, but alas all recordings at that time were done on a stereo cassette deck with one dynamic hanging from the ceiling and one lying on the bed. Alas, you would sometimes hear the noise from the street I lived in...

Whats in your closet? Perhaps opening the doors might give a slight improvement? But I'm sure: looking for a good room would be better. On all my recordings now I suffer from the bad room, we have to record in (a rehearsal room with 4 drum kits in it... But at least the walls are not orthogonal)

Ciao

Axel
 
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