Help me start my band!!!

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I guess the question needs to be asked. Kimmy...How old are you? This would help in choosing other musicians that you can relate to.



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Yo Kimmy! MSHilarious and Innovations are giving you good advice. Here's some more. First, slow down! Worry less about putting together a band, and more about being the best singer you can be. First, join a choir. In fact, join two. One at church, and the other in school. They'll do different material. Take every music class available to you in school. Learn to read music. If you play keyboards, take piano lessons. Learn to play guitar.

Get a part time job, because musical instruments and PA equipment are damned expensive. You are simply going to need money, more than anybody is going to give you. As money becomes available, get a good stage piano, say a Yamaha P60 or P90, a basic acoustic guitar, a cheap bass, a good basic electric guitar, say a Fender standard Stratocaster, a small PA, and a good stage mic. Singing with mics is a whole different ball game, and you have to be very comfortable with using them.

I doubt you are old enough to hang out in bars, so check for coffee houses that have open mic nights. See if you can get to know some of the people who sing and play at them. When you are ready, get up and sing something yourself. Stop worrying about forming a band and worry about becoming a real musician. When you get good enough, bands will be looking for you, not the other way around.

Avoid people who claim they'll make you a star, and people who want to control everything you do. Generally, they only want to sleep with you, and they want to feel important, because they have no talent. This often includes the ones who call themselves producers. If someone claims to be a producer, ask them for a list of albums they have produced, look them up online, check the credits on the albums, and listen to their product. Most of them will fail this test, big time. People like to take advantage of people who want to be music stars. Nobody can take advantage of someone who just wants to be a musician, because they can't give you that. You'll have to do it yourself.

Find out who on this board lives close to you, and when you've read enough of what they wrote to believe that they are what they say they are, make friends with them, if you can. Knowing a recording engineer or a recording artist or two can't hurt. In the end, to get the kind of direction you need, you will need to trust some people. Just make sure you trust the *right* people.

Like I said, figure out how to make money. Money will put *you* in control. Own your own equipment, hire a vocal coach, or a guitar teacher, eventually a producer, who can help you to make the music in your head into CD's you can be proud of. Eventually, buy recording equipment, and learn to record. This will have several benefits. It will turn the musician you want to be into the recording artist you want to be. It means you will have a better idea what is going on in a recording studio, so you can keep some control over what your songs are going to sound like. People will respect you more if they think you know what you are doing, and will be more likely to work *with* you than try to control you.

Remember, it's not money that's the root of all evil, it's *the love* of money. It's just a means to an end. There are people here who will try to help you. There are a bunch who will make fun of you, because they are small, and you are an easy target. Making fun of you makes them feel bigger. There are a few people here who will actually try to hustle you (not many, but a few). I will actually try, when I can, to help you. Why? because I believe that the general male domination of the entire recording industry makes it lopsided. There are many great women recording artists, but the women's recording engineer's association could hold their national convention in a good sized convenience store.

You know what else? If somebody had helped me when I was 13 or so, maybe I wouldn't have had to wait until I was 50 to be a recording artist. They're right about one thing, though- This is homerecording.com, not learningtobeamusician.com, or Ineedaproducerbad.com, or Iwanttobesuperstarinsteadofworkingatmcdonalds.com.

Take this place for what you can get out of it, and what you might get out of it is someone who lives near you who would be willing to help you make a demo when you are ready. When you are ready to start with the recording end of it, a lot of people here will try to help you.-Best of luck with all you do.-Richie
 
Richard Monroe said:
Avoid people who claim they'll make you a star, and people who want to control everything you do. Generally, they only want to sleep with you, and they want to feel important, because they have no talent. This often includes the ones who call themselves producers.

Don't you mean "especially"? As in "...especially the ones who call themselve sproducers." :D

Sorry, couldn't resist.


Richard Monroe said:
Find out who on this board lives close to you, and when you've read enough of what they wrote to believe that they are what they say they are, make friends with them, if you can. Knowing a recording engineer or a recording artist or two can't hurt. In the end, to get the kind of direction you need, you will need to trust some people. Just make sure you trust the *right* people.

Trust is a hard thing to do, particularly if you're young and you're dealing with a bunch of A. pervert, B. asshole, or C. smart-ass engineers like about 2/3rds of those who have replied to this thread so far.... :p


Richard Monroe said:
There are a few people here who will actually try to hustle you (not many, but a few). I will actually try, when I can, to help you.

Wow. For a moment there, I read that last comma as a period, and thought, "Man, that's honesty." :cool:

Seriously, though, kimmygirl_13_20, it would be a lot easier if you gave us some idea of your age and location in your profile, even if you're only comfortable giving the state. Some folks might be local, or at least know the area, and thus might be able to give more specific advice.
 
i am 14 years old rami
is there anyone else here to help me???
 
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A little bit of info to help you out

Hello,

So you want to know what you need to start a band. This is my own opinion and reflects what I did when I was your age. Your mileage may vary.

1. Do you already have friends that want to play music in your band? If yes, what instruments do you "guys/gals" play?

2. Do the instruments you play fit with the style of music you want to play? For example, you play the violin and you friends plays the trumpet but you want to play punk music.... it won't fit.

3. Do your friends want to play the same style of music? You want to play punk but the other members want to play grass roots country music. Find somebody else to play with.

4. Ok, so let's say you have all the members you need for your band. You have somebody who plays the drums, a guitarist, a bass player, a keyboard player and a singer. Get together once a week for a couple a hours and practice 4 songs you would like to play. Just practice those 4 songs. Keep practicing those 4 songs. After a while, you will start to play in synch(or on time if you wish) and palying those songs will become second nature. This is important because at a show, you will be nervous and if you don't know those four songs by heart perfectly, you will all screw-up ans sound like crap.

5. Now that you are confortable with those four songs, play in front of a couple people your 3 best songs, keep the fourth for an encore :-). That will give you experience and also it will allow all the band members to see if they can handle the stress of performing in public. Even if it is just family members and neighbours the pressure will probably get to all of you. If you practiced enough though, you should be able to give a good show. It will also allow to experience the rush of playing music. If playing live doesn't give you the biggest rush/high you ever had (It's better then se><) you should quit now because that is what playing in a band is all about.

6 So, you have been praticing those four songs for a couple/few months and you can play them blindfolded? Add two more songs. Now practice those two songs plus the four other songs. Now after a couple/few more months, add two more songs and pratice those for a couple months. Practice, practice, practice, practice.... well you get the idea.

6. Play at a yearly school event-thing or at your church or even at a friends party. Go see your principal and tell him you have a couple songs you would like to play at the next event. Tell you friends you would like to play at the next party. Tell your church you would like to play at the next pot-luck supper (or whatever they do at church, I wouldn't know sorry) I hope you choose songs to practice that are acceptable for school/church:-) . Now see how the pressure of your peers affects all the band members.

7. By now you are 16-17 years old and should have about 8 songs that all the band members can play in their sleep. Now it is time to find some bigger gigs. Did I mention, you need to practice every week together and every night on your own? If your parents see how serious you are they will be more inclined to help you out.

You asked what equipment you need. Well that depends on the instrument you play and the type of venue. An electric guitar, a bass and drum can be played live through their own amps if it is a small venue (like a party). The singer will need a Mic, a preamp for the mic (this could be a mixer (Peavy PV6) or a dedicated mic preamp (Studio Projects VTB1), and then the preamped mic signal is output to amplified speakers (this is called a "PA" system by the way) . In a larger venue, the instrument are all mic'ed (for example, the guitar amp has a mice placed in front) Then all these mic'ed insturment go to a mixer board (including your singer's mic) and then all this is output to the amplified speakers. In larger venues, a singnal will be sent to small speakers called monitors that will allow you to hear what you are playing instead of you hearing only the final mix and not being able to hear yourself playing. All rock shows use this principal. The only difference between a small venue and a large one is the amount of power the speakers can push out.

So voila, this is my distorted vue/opinion/idea/advice on how to start your band.

Ryan
 
A little bit of info to help you out

Hello,

So you want to know what you need to start a band. This is my own opinion and reflects what I did when I was your age. Your mileage may vary.

1. Do you already have friends that want to play music in your band? If yes, what instruments do you "guys/gals" play?

2. Do the instruments you play fit with the style of music you want to play? For example, you play the violin and you friends plays the trumpet but you want to play punk music.... it won't fit.

3. Do your friends want to play the same style of music? You want to play punk but the other members want to play grass roots country music. Find somebody else to play with.

4. Ok, so let's say you have all the members you need for your band. You have somebody who plays the drums, a guitarist, a bass player, a keyboard player and a singer. Get together once a week for a couple a hours and practice 4 songs you would like to play. Just practice those 4 songs. Keep practicing those 4 songs. After a while, you will start to play in synch(or on time if you wish) and palying those songs will become second nature. This is important because at a show, you will be nervous and if you don't know those four songs by heart perfectly, you will all screw-up ans sound like crap.

5. Now that you are confortable with those four songs, play in front of a couple people your 3 best songs, keep the fourth for an encore :-). That will give you experience and also it will allow all the band members to see if they can handle the stress of performing in public. Even if it is just family members and neighbours the pressure will probably get to all of you. If you practiced enough though, you should be able to give a good show. It will also allow to experience the rush of playing music. If playing live doesn't give you the biggest rush/high you ever had (It's better then se><) you should quit now because that is what playing in a band is all about.

6 So, you have been praticing those four songs for a couple/few months and you can play them blindfolded? Add two more songs. Now practice those two songs plus the four other songs. Now after a couple/few more months, add two more songs and pratice those for a couple months. Practice, practice, practice, practice.... well you get the idea.

6. Play at a yearly school event-thing or at your church or even at a friends party. Go see your principal and tell him you have a couple songs you would like to play at the next event. Tell you friends you would like to play at the next party. Tell your church you would like to play at the next pot-luck supper (or whatever they do at church, I wouldn't know sorry) I hope you choose songs to practice that are acceptable for school/church:-) . Now see how the pressure of your peers affects all the band members.

7. By now you are 16-17 years old and should have about 8 songs that all the band members can play in their sleep. Now it is time to find some bigger gigs. Did I mention, you need to practice every week together and every night on your own? If your parents see how serious you are they will be more inclined to help you out.

You asked what equipment you need. Well that depends on the instrument you play and the type of venue. An electric guitar, a bass and drum can be played live through their own amps if it is a small venue (like a party). The singer will need a Mic, a preamp for the mic (this could be a mixer (Peavy PV6) or a dedicated mic preamp (Studio Projects VTB1), and then the preamped mic signal is output to amplified speakers (this is called a "PA" system by the way) . In a larger venue, the instrument are all mic'ed (for example, the guitar amp has a mice placed in front) Then all these mic'ed insturment go to a mixer board (including your singer's mic) and then all this is output to the amplified speakers. In larger venues, a singnal will be sent to small speakers called monitors that will allow you to hear what you are playing instead of you hearing only the final mix and not being able to hear yourself playing. All rock shows use this principal. The only difference between a small venue and a large one is the amount of power the speakers can push out.

So voila, this is my distorted vue/opinion/idea/advice on how to start your band.

Ryan
 
kimmygirl_13_20 said:
Ok these are the facts! First I am not wearing "tight" clothes to catch a "crowd", i don't scream (you hurt your voice doing that)! I am thinking about starting a christian band playing gospel, pop etc.! I am writing songs now as we write! And I DO want to record! But I don't know what equipment to get! So help me there? I got my drummer and keyboardist and singer (which in short is me)

Sounds like (gender notwithstanding), you're becoming a regular mini-me. Too bad you're not about a decade older and living in the Bay Area. :D

But seriously, the one man band genre certainly has potential these days. A few thoughts:

  • It's not that hard to learn to play the electric bass fairly well. It would be a good thing to learn, as it saves a session musician.
  • If you don't already, learn to play a wind instrument. it will help with your breath support, and you might be able to work it in somewhere in your charts as well. Trumpet is nice for punctuating music with a sort of hispanic feel, while clarinet, oboe, etc. work well for slow songs. Sax works well for bluesy stuff.
  • If you only have one mic for recording, make it a ribbon. It's the most universally versatile mic, IMHO, though they are fragile, so you wouldn't want to use one live, in all likelihood.
  • If you are trying to plat something with lots of rubato, I find it helps to track the keyboard first, then drums. When you track the drums, places where the tempo changes are awkward or too extreme will become immediately obvious. Go back and edit those spots for time. Rerecord the drums at some point (or punch in for those spots).
  • Remember the rule "Buy cheap, buy twice." That's not saying that there aren't good deals out there, but do your research before buying any gear. Check on places like musiciansfriend.com and amazon.com and read all of the reviews before buying a product. Then find the best price with Froogle or whatever.
  • If you have written songs that have been performed in a public venue, you are eligible to join ASCAP. Join. You'll get discounts at some music stores, discounted insurance coverage for your instruments should you find yourself doing a lot of gigs, etc.


kimmygirl_13_20 said:
But I would need a subitute when playing live! Does anybody know how much it costs to hire a band? But I still need a gutairist!!! So what you guys recommend for a good gutairist???

All of that depends on where you are, but, as several folks have said, your best bet is to get out and meet other musicians in your area.

Join a church choir (particularly if your church has a youth service/mass/whatever or a modern music service). School choirs and bands are also good places to meet musicians, as are music competitions.

You might also put up a flyer at your school saying that you're trying to start a band and are looking for musicians. (Be sure to check your school's policy on posting stuff like that and find out where you can post such things, what approval you need, etc.)

Best of luck.
 
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What part of the country are you located? I might be able to help if you are in the southern Cal area.
 
starting a life in music...

i could rattle off a million things i have learned since the 80s, but i think that you would be better served with a hyperlink: http://www.girlsrockcamp.org/

this is the original rock-n-roll camp for girls in my hometown, but they are sprouting up all over. truly the greatest idea since sliced bread.

(and boys, let's not whine, the whole world has been our rock-n-roll camp since before buddy holly first drove to clovis to cut tracks...)
 
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