help! budda amp + eventide problem

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hey guys,

i have a budda superdrive ii amp, 30w and an eventide eclipse and unfortunately i also have a problem -

these beasts wont play nice! i get a large amount of hiss and tone loss with the eclipse in the effects loop of the budda. i've been to eventide and budda, and they've been helpful but haven't been able to find a solution. they suggested i give up and change... i don't wanna! :(

i've worked out it's not to do with cabling / level issues and either of these seem to work fine with other gear - it's something to do with them together. i can reduce the hiss to an acceptable level by having the eclipse input at 0db and output at -10db, and then just turning the master up - is this maybe responsible for my loss in tone? i can live with the hiss, but not the tone loss... the tone loss is quite significant - that's judged by having compared the eventide (with bypass on) in the effects loop, with no eventide in the effects loop.

anyway, for me these 2 are the perfect combo soundwise, if anyone has any suggestions i'd love to hear them, or if anyone can suggest someone who'd be willing to investigate my problem (paid of course in the uk), or i guess a last resort would be selling the budda and buying something as similar as possible... again any suggestions on that appreciated,

thanks,

sache
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Uh... if you're paying that kind of scratch for your gear, a bit more to have Budda repair it would be a wise investment, as what's happening obviously isn't normal operation.
 
hey, thanks for the reply.

it isn't technically a buddha problem as the loop (which is serial) works ok with other stuff, just not the eventide.... and similarly the eventide works ok with other amps... it's something to do with both of them, so would need someone intrigued and skilled to investigate rather than either buddha or eventide, who are under no obilgation to investigate this...
 
How does it sound when you put the eclipse in front of the amp (guitar -> eclipse -> amp) instead of in the effects loop?
 
hey hard2hear, sorry - what do you mean by an inline DI?

i dont know what you mean by buffered but i know the budda has a serial loop, jeff from budda tech says that the level of the loop varies with master vol but that its closer to +4 than -10.

so it could be an impedence mismatch. if i go guitar DI into the eventide, and out thaqt into the guitar input the tone suck is less, though still there... which seems to indicate it might be both ad/da conversion and mismatch....

modding the amp to parallel loop would solve the ad/da tone suck (if i'm right), but i don't know if modding can solve the impedence mismatch... any thoughts?
 
Id probably start from sratch with this problem. Turn all the effects, everything off. So all you have is the Eclipse basically as a staight patch cord going through your effects loop. Start there first.

No wait... first start WITH JUST a staight patch cord hooked into your loop. WIth a serial loop it should not effect your amp at all. If that works then at least you know your loop is at least working good, and you know the jacks in the loop are fine.

THen do the above(first thing I typed). With that equipment there should be little or no difference in tone and volume compared to just a guitar plugged staight in with all the effects turned off.

Once you have your effects zeroed out, start turning them on one at a time and by themselves individually to see how it effects your sound. Maybe you'll find the culprit that way. Could be a compressor setting too. so start all those parameters at zero and work your way up.

There are so many internal settings that could cause this.

then on the flip side of this sounds like you have already worked enough with the processor and know it by using it with another amp. All I can say is there are huge differences in sound when you compare a serial to a paralell loop, so if your old amp was Parelell and you used the same settings, you may have these problems.

Thats all I can think of without there being something wrong with either of your items.
 
thanks man, turns out though it's probably an amp loop problem. jeff from budda says its a buffering problem and i can either have the loop modified, or i can use a line mixer to sort this out... i'm not sure which to go with, but at least i know i can go somewhere :)
 
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