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The Behringer Xenyx mixer would work very well with your Partybox.

Again, in many cases, the purpose will narrow down the choices. That HK Audio speaker seemed expensive and didn't really look impressive. They claim 123dB but at 10% distortion. That's horrible! Loud, but horrible. The Partybox appears to be a reasonable choice for what you are planning. A pair of 1/4" to RCA cables, and a mic cable and you're in business.

And don't be scared off about using dynamic mics. I have 5 of them including an SM57, and use them with absolutely no problem into a basic Yamaha mixer for PA vocals. It's just when recording into an audio interface, the inputs are often weaker, especially compared to a condenser mic. Still, I've done vocals using my Sennheiser 935 straight into my Tascam interface and had no issue with level or quality.
 
Now I assure everyone that I have NO connection with the company but, the Behringer XM8500 is a bit of a steal for a general purpose dynamic microphone. Not quite as rugged as 57/8 but then at about $25 a pop doesn't have to be! The sensitivity is a tad hotter than a 57 and it comes in a very sturdy plastic case with a mic clip and spit gag.

Anyone who has a job where they need a rake of vocal mics (ok on amps too) but suspect they might get mashed or stolen should look at the 8500.

Dave.
 
TalismanRich said:
The Behringer Xenyx mixer would work very well with your Partybox.

Again, in many cases, the purpose will narrow down the choices. That HK Audio speaker seemed expensive and didn't really look impressive. They claim 123dB but at 10% distortion. That's horrible! Loud, but horrible. The Partybox appears to be a reasonable choice for what you are planning. A pair of 1/4" to RCA cables, and a mic cable and you're in business.

And don't be scared off about using dynamic mics. I have 5 of them including an SM57, and use them with absolutely no problem into a basic Yamaha mixer for PA vocals. It's just when recording into an audio interface, the inputs are often weaker, especially compared to a condenser mic. Still, I've done vocals using my Sennheiser 935 straight into my Tascam interface and had no issue with level or quality.
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Hi there. I don't understand nor am I familiar with the jargon here. If I were to use my condenser mic, which I plan on doing, I don't really want to have to buy another mic for performing, wouldn't I then have to get a phantom power or a mixer to use it for the party box, according to what others wrote here? Whereas if I had a dynamic mic, it would be ok? But I don't want to get another mic.
Also, there is no reverb on the party box, but maybe that's not a big deal. Someone earlier said that condenser mics will not work with the party box, it seems even with a mixer. So I don't understand what you said.
What exactly is a pair of 1/4 to RCA cable and a mic cable? Someone earlier said that a 1/4" mic input won't supply it. Trying to understand.
As for what you said about the distortion on the speaker and how it sounds horrible, is not good news for me!
 
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Another thing I'd like to add is that I intend on getting the mixer I shared rather than the one that was suggested to me.
 
TalismanRich said:
The Behringer Xenyx mixer would work very well with your Partybox.

Again, in many cases, the purpose will narrow down the choices. That HK Audio speaker seemed expensive and didn't really look impressive. They claim 123dB but at 10% distortion. That's horrible! Loud, but horrible. The Partybox appears to be a reasonable choice for what you are planning. A pair of 1/4" to RCA cables, and a mic cable and you're in business.

And don't be scared off about using dynamic mics. I have 5 of them including an SM57, and use them with absolutely no problem into a basic Yamaha mixer for PA vocals. It's just when recording into an audio interface, the inputs are often weaker, especially compared to a condenser mic. Still, I've done vocals using my Sennheiser 935 straight into my Tascam interface and had no issue with level or quality.
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Someone said earlier that condenser mics will not work with the party box, so I am assuming that when you say the mixer would work well with my party box, you are referring to using a dynamic mic. But I don't really want to buy another mic...
 
No, plug the condenser mic into the mixer. Then you plug the mixer output into the line inputs of the Partybox. You just can't use a condenser directly into the Partybox.

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Adapte...rds=rca+to+quarter+inch&qid=1738013272&sr=8-3

The big end goes into the outputs of the Xenyx mixer here. The small end goes in here on the Partybox
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Dark Light923 said:
Someone said earlier that condenser mics will not work with the party box, so I am assuming that when you say the mixer would work well with my party box, you are referring to using a dynamic mic. But I don't really want to buy another mic...
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Once again, apologies. Often on these forums people tend to try to give, shall we say "complete information" covering various eventualities (like getting a mixer with more mic inputs than you need at present) I am probably one of the worse offenders

So, let me condense matters down?

Your present capacitor microphone* will be fine. No, you do not need a dynamic (but you COULD get one as a backup? Spare cables are always a very good idea as well)

You need the mixer for,...
a) Phantom power for the mic.
b) to give you the reverb effect you want.

End of!

I have not come across that Proel brand before but the documentation looks well written and comprehensive, always a good sign.
Note you will need XLR to RCA cables to feed the speaker from the Main Outs., This, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matt...xlr+to+rca+adapter&qid=1738023407&sr=8-7&th=1

Good luck and keep us posted.

*Most small capacitor mics are not suitable for very close to the mouth work but that one is.

Dave.
 
ecc83 said:
Once again, apologies. Often on these forums people tend to try to give, shall we say "complete information" covering various eventualities (like getting a mixer with more mic inputs than you need at present) I am probably one of the worse offenders

So, let me condense matters down?

Your present capacitor microphone* will be fine. No, you do not need a dynamic (but you COULD get one as a backup? Spare cables are always a very good idea as well)

You need the mixer for,...
a) Phantom power for the mic.
b) to give you the reverb effect you want.

End of!

I have not come across that Proel brand before but the documentation looks well written and comprehensive, always a good sign.
Note you will need XLR to RCA cables to feed the speaker from the Main Outs., This, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matters-Dual-XLR-Female/dp/B09KX2SD5D/ref=sr_1_7?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3JCpK3US9bwjPxOmVLi0aEFQPFho9AwPyPZgNCO3GfG2ld9HztWGSkqmnv87SSurQrCTmvn4o7NSsJtwjts4Aclyp9XhunuUiP2XAcxIS1hMKknz2NbpdqGu2ds6L38UmEcd4T4wOVzgte0owi-I_N-etRLQWp4J-HCzzRiI4o4SDfaYSMlqmZUbFMs9rekARiwsQYc_tozP7a2bDFjhbUtVIzx9PrBw5oH9Ez08z0I.85UfOBoSBKB8fnyFxiV0J4qerh1bQhL5e1D3gk_gtuA&dib_tag=se&keywords=female+xlr+to+rca+adapter&qid=1738023407&sr=8-7&th=1

Good luck and keep us posted.

*Most small capacitor mics are not suitable for very close to the mouth work but that one is.

Dave.
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Thank you Dave. I will go ahead and buy the mixer, without buying the speaker the guy at the store suggested to me. There is no need since the party box is fine, with the phantom and reverb I get from the mixer. That will save some money. Plus, that speaker the guy at the store suggested to me is quite pricey, in any case, it has problems like what was said earlier by Talisman Rich.
The mixer I showed seems like a good fit and a good mixer. I will also have to get the cables, but that's no problem. Thank you Dave, and thank you to everyone who wrote to me. God bless you all xxx
 
Hello to you all. I need your help again guys. Basically, I bought the mixer and the cables. The guy at the store gave me the cables for the mic and guitar options on the back of the jbl not the input option. Which one is better, and lends for a better sound? The guy at the store told me to try the cables for the mic and guitar and if they don't sound good to return them and get instead the cables for the input option. What do you guys think? Thanks in advance.
 

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So you have a mic with a ¼" unbalanced plug on the end, and the same for your guitar.
Your input sockets are to connect a stereo source, via the RCA phonos - do you need to do that? They won't take a microphone, and pretty much all guitars have ¼" connectors - so you are done.There won't be any quality differences, you just have scope for plugging in an old CD player, or maybe ipads, that kind of thing - plus you an hang a recorder on the two output sockets. If, on the other hand you want to use the mixer - you need stereo cables from it to the inputs. We thought you bought the mixer already?

You can plug your mic and the guitar into the mixer and the mixer into the speaker. If you didn't buy all the cables, you'll not be able to try it? You need 2 x ¼" to 2 x phono(RCA)
 
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So you have a mic with a ¼" unbalanced plug on the end, and the same for your guitar.
Your input sockets are to connect a stereo source, via the RCA phonos - do you need to do that? They won't take a microphone, and pretty much all guitars have ¼" connectors - so you are done.There won't be any quality differences, you just have scope for plugging in an old CD player, or maybe ipads, that kind of thing - plus you an hang a recorder on the two output sockets. If, on the other hand you want to use the mixer - you need stereo cables from it to the inputs. We thought you bought the mixer already?

You can plug your mic and the guitar into the mixer and the mixer into the speaker. If you didn't buy all the cables, you'll not be able to try it? You need 2 x ¼" to 2 x phono(RCA)
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Hi there. I'm only using the cable for the microphone with regard to the mixer and the input* on the speaker. I am going to use the amplifier that I connect my guitar with for guitar sound, I don't want to connect that too, to the mixer as my amplifier sounds great as it is.
When you say a stereo source via RCA phonos what do you mean?
I am going to use the mixer to bypass it seeing it is a compressor microphone that will allow phantom power and reverb too.
When you say, if you want to use the mixer, I need cables to the inputs, are you saying that since the mic and guitar inputs on the speaker, will not do the job? I can easily trade in those cables for the input cables, on the speaker, as I have not used them. Thanks in advance.
 
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If you are coming out of the Behringer mixer for your microphone, you need to a 1/4" to RCA cable. I put a link to the type of cable you need in the post #26 above. You don't want to be plugging the mixer into the mic or guitar inputs.

If you have a guitar, you could use your regular guitar cable to plug THAT into the partybox, but I have no clue how good it will sound. It would probably be good for an acoustic guitar, but sound anemic for an electric guitar. Most acoustic guitar amps are full range systems, sometimes with a chorus, where as electric guitar amps are designed for a limited frequency range and provide things like reverb and distortion.

You're talking about a $12 cable, so it's not like you are dealing with high dollar stuff. Order the correct one and move on.
 
If you are just using the speaker to hear things. Its just far easier to have the mixer do all of you mixing and effects.

Please dont take this the wrong way, but ALL this as Rich says, is in the topic and we give you advice and you ignore it, doing your own thing then coming back to tell us you've done something else. Buying the correct cables seems to be so simple when we tell you what they are called and why you need them.
 
I bought this mixer, not the one that was suggested to me:

Compact 8-channel mixer with DSP and USB/BT interface – Sound System PROEL

PLAYMIX is a series of mixers created by PROEL to offer in a very compact and stylish package a high inputs density, a full set of features and a superior audio quality, at a very convenient price point.PLAYMIX mixers are available in 3 models, with the same channel and master functions, but...
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As I saw it to be a better fit. I think I remember stating in the thread that I prefer this one to the one suggested to me.
As for the cables, I didn't intervene and let guy at the store get the right ones trusting he would give me the right cables. It seems that went wrong. I guess I just have to exchange the cables he gave me for the ones that connect with the input on the speaker. Thanks again.
 
OK - scrub our advice then. Your mixer has ¼" jack outs designed to feed the monitor speakers so you can turn them down without impacting your recording. You can use these output to go to the speaker ins. You confused us, so I guess the store guy was confused too. Have you actually tried it? Because you might have cables that will fit? A guitar cable will go from the mixer to the speaker, and you might have an XLR to XLR for the mic?
 
It might help if you learn some VERY BASIC electronic terminology. Balanced vs unbalanced connections, types of connectors (RCA vs XLR vs 1/4" jack), signal levels and impedances.

One you learn those basic but essential aspects, you can look at the spec sheet for most devices and instantly know that item A can be connected to item B via this cable. Or you don't want to connect output A to input B because the levels are wrong. You need to use output C to match up with input B. This isn't rocket science, it doesn't require soldering skills or a masters degree in electronics.

In the case of the Proel, you would know that you could use the Control room output just like from the Behringer with a 1/4" to RCA, or you will need an XLR Balanced to RCA unbalanced cable.

Its like learning that you put gas in the gas tank but not oil. That goes into the crankcase after checking the level with the little stick. And coolant goes in the radiator, not in windshield washer reservoir.

There are literally 100 videos on Youtube that will teach you how to connect a mixer to an amp, or a mic into a mixer. Put "how to connect a microphone to a Partybox" and Google will show you 10 videos, and at least a dozen references to this from Reddit, Youtube, etc.
 
Hi. I should have been more clear, I think I may have said this before. Although I do produce and record my music, which has mostly been music recorded from my stage piano/synth, this mixer I got is not for the studio but to record video and audio of song covers whether that be guitar or piano, mostly guitar though. I am definitely not going to go through the process of recording for cover songs.
I'm not going to connect this mixer of which I gave the link for above, in my studio at all, so far I used the daw, being GarageBand, to do that stuff when it comes to eq, compressor mostly. I am only using the mixer for the time being, for vocals for cover songs. I intend on getting a good device that records video and audio, for the cover songs, audio being of good quality.
There is 3 way option for eq on that mixer, but I will only use it for the vocals for this purpose. The guitar sound will not come from the JBL speaker at all nor will it be connected to the mixer because I have a very good amplifier for sound, and I will have to balance the sound coming from the amplifier for the electric guitar and the JBL speaker insofar as the vocals are concerned.
Like I said earlier, I let the guy at the store choose the right cables and didn't have a say in that. I thought he would cover me.
Yes the cables are xlr. It says so: 3-XLR+6.3mm M
He said to connect both wires to the 'mic' and 'guitar' input to the right of the JBL. This is for the microphone, nothing to do with the guitar etc, as opposed to going directly to the input option for both wires. My initial question was whether it is better, sound-wise, to get wires for the input aspect and not use the 'mic' and 'guitar' option. He told me to try it the way of using mic and guitar and see if it sounds good, if not, to return them and get the wires for the input aspect and use the input aspect instead. I haven't tried it out yet because I've been sick with the flue. Thank you guys.
 
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This is precisely why I said it would be worthwhile to learn a bit about basic electronics for audio. The outputs of the Proel are line level signals. This is the spec from Proel's website. When you see something like +4dBu, that tells you the signal is 1.23v reference level. That is line level. A microphone such as used with the Partybox will put out some thing like .01 or .02V and the input is designed to amplify that. Feeding it a signal that is 100 times higher is bad.

The RCA inputs of the Partybox are rated for 0.5V. so you are much closer to the proper level. Simply lowering the output will give you a proper signal strength.

The guy who said to go from the output of the Proel to the mic and guitar inputs is a flake! Simply put, he's completely wrong.

Get the proper cables and hook it up. Then give it a thorough testing to make sure you have good levels, and that your recording setup is correct. The last thing you want to do it to get to a venue, and plug things in only to find that "it don't work like that"!

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TalismanRich said:
This is precisely why I said it would be worthwhile to learn a bit about basic electronics for audio. The outputs of the Proel are line level signals. This is the spec from Proel's website. When you see something like +4dBu, that tells you the signal is 1.23v reference level. That is line level. A microphone such as used with the Partybox will put out some thing like .01 or .02V and the input is designed to amplify that. Feeding it a signal that is 100 times higher is bad.

The RCA inputs of the Partybox are rated for 0.5V. so you are much closer to the proper level. Simply lowering the output will give you a proper signal strength.

The guy who said to go from the output of the Proel to the mic and guitar inputs is a flake! Simply put, he's completely wrong.

Get the proper cables and hook it up. Then give it a thorough testing to make sure you have good levels, and that your recording setup is correct. The last thing you want to do it to get to a venue, and plug things in only to find that "it don't work like that"!

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Thank you and thank you for your time.You are all so lovely and helpful people. indeed, it would be a good thing to learn more about all of this. I will go this week and get the cables that connect to the input option of the JBL. Correct? Hate to sound like a broken record.
Also, which part of the mixer do I use to lower the output, since you mentioned output that will provide a proper signal strength. Would that be the volume of the master, or an individual volume on the tracks.
Regarding the mixer , although as I said earlier, it is for live covers, I may in the future start gigging on my own, initially. That mixer would come in handy if such an occasion arises. It's a possibility, for sure.
Thank you. Kind regards.
 
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