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I noticed you posted this awhile back and it has seriously piqued my curiosity..
"Stephen Paul "IS" modifying my V67s, but his mods will consist mainly of better quality transistors and capacitors in key circuit locations - he is leaving the capsule, basic circuit design, and transfomer alone."

Got them back yet? I am really interested to know what he does to them, how they improve, and what he is charging you to do it. If you can find out what was performed on the mics, maybe we can replicate on our own?
Thanks,
Paul
 
I haven't gotten them back yet, since Tony and Stephen have a lot of other things to keep them pretty busy. Stephen and I go back quite a long ways, so he probably won't charge me for anything he does to them. I'll try to get a list of what they changed and why.
 
I cant wait to see what Stephen does to these mics. I mesed around with a v67 this weekend, while it was useable, I was not too impressed with it. I dont know if it's the mic I had, but it seemd a little 'thin' and kinda 'papery'..which again is useable but the lows did seem a little unnatural though. I'm not good at the adjective game, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

I'm doing Scott's mod for Mark H and I suspect that it will 'balance' the mic a little better.

I'm taking pictures of the mod along the way and will post pics and sound clips when I'm done.
 
Yeah, if you can get a list of what was done, well, that would be totally fantastic... I emailed him to ask what he would charge me to do the same, after you pass word that they have improved or not... I guess I should hear from him in the next day or so. Seems like it SHOULD be a fairly low cost thing to do, but he his a pricey kinda guy, so I dunno...
Looking forward to the results though...

Another question... why doesnt Marshall just do this stuff right from the start, just on one mic, and up the price the extra $40 or so it costs to upgrade the parts? I dont get it.
 
I want to set the record straight.

First of all, we are not pricey because we're greedy, we're pricey because I won't build garbage.

Number two, there will never be a 'list' of what we do to Harvey's mike. It's strictly a favor, not cost-effective, and we sure as hell are not in the business of giving our knowledge away.

My work has already given you about ten million cheap mikes to choose from , how much do ou guys expect me to give away free to the damned industry?! And now you'd like a list too? Please.

Harvey's components will be potted and that's that.

Finally, there will be no other Marshall mods. And I might as well be honest about it.

By the time we do what needs to be done to make those worthy of our shop you'd never want to pay the price.

But really. A list of what we did. That is really a bit much, don't you think? Not that it would do you much good, as most of the comonenets we use are custom made for us, and you can't get 'em anyway... but let's get real boyz 'n' gurlz.

PS Why dosn't Marshall do it? Do you really think so little of what I worked so long to know? They don't =know= to do! Except rip off what they think is our 3 micron capsule in the first place. What do you guys think this is? You think they'd have even made one if not for me? Gimme a break.
 
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Calm down, o' lord of the microphone, I don't think tubedude was trying to demean your great work in any way...
 
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s_paul said:
I want to set the record straight.

First of all, we are not pricey because we're greedy, we're pricey because I won't build garbage.

Number two, there will never be a 'list' of what we do to Harvey's mike. It's strictly a favor, not cost-effective, and we sure as hell are not in the business of giving our knowledge away.

My work has already given you about ten million cheap mikes to choose from , how much do ou guys expect me to give away free to the damned industry?! And now you'd like a list too? Please.

Harvey's components will be potted and that's that.

Finally, there will be no other Marshall mods. And I might as well be honest about it.

By the time we do what needs to be done to make those worthy of our shop you'd never want to pay the price.

But really. A list of what we did. That is really a bit much, don't you think? Not that it would do you much good, as most of the comonenets we use are custom made for us, and you can't get 'em anyway... but let's get real boyz 'n' gurlz.

PS Why dosn't Marshall do it? Do you really think so little of what I worked so long to know? They don't =know= to do! Except rip off what they think is our 3 micron capsule in the first place. What do you guys think this is? You think they'd have even made one if not for me? Gimme a break.
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Stephen,

What the fuck? I was excited when I got the email that Stephen Paul responded, only to be let down by your bitter drivel.

1. No one said you were greedy! No one brought it up. Truth is, you are too 'pricey' for most people. Jeez.

2. No one expects you to give your knowledge away, it was a shot in the dark at best. I only wanted your opinion on these mics. And if they can be improved. Please.

PS. Tubedude was talking about the Dorsey mod for these mics. It has nothing to do with you. Get over yourself.

I used to be a big supporter of yours, and the last time you came in here a shit storm started...but I was a supporter of yours.

Your crying over spilled milk now. Get over it. Every mic maker ripped you off, ok, now what? Sue them, get paid for your work...dont go complaining every chance you get that "If it wern't for me you would not have mics today"...it's like Al Gore saying he invented the internet . You sound like an old bitter man. Get over yourself and get on with your life.
 
I have to admit, my immediate reaction to tubedude's request of what mods were done, was [inner monolog]"hmmm, that would basically be giving this guy's livelihood away."[/inner monolog] I was hesitant to support that, but I hoped he would be cool about it and want to help us homerec'ers improve our mics.

Now that I see how he reacts to the idea, I want to rip the guy off.

Honestly...

How can I screw you, Captain Egotrip?

:confused:
 
Those mods on the v67 must be pretty significant if you seem to be guarding what is to be done and for what. I have tried out alot of mics out there and found the existing design to be pretty middle of the line. Though the mic sounded well, I was not impressed by its construction.

The cool thing about the net is that eventually info such as mods for a particular mic, will eventually get posted somehow.
 
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I gotta agree with SP on this one.

Regardless of the simplicity or complexity of the mods done on any piece, ANY "builders" stock in trade is his knowledge and experience. Why should anybody give away the knowledge that has been their livlihood? It's one thing to do favors for people and another thing entirely to tutor people online about how to do the work themselves.

The big producers and engineers can offer their advice to us and it doesn't take a dime out of their pockets to do so. The people that hire them are paying for their ears, experience, etc. I for one appreciate the pros that come here and try to set us straight on things.

"Point the mic here" isn't nearly as big a giveaway of trade secrets as "replace cap A with cap AA" and so on.

Hell, if you want a nice electronics project just go to ebay and buy the schematics for a Neve console and build one of those from the ground up.......................
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I agree with SP about 'giving' away his knowledge. BUT..

This is me playing Devil's Advocate now:

Even if Stephen did tell us what he was doing in this mic..would it be taking a dime out of his pocket if I did it, even if I charged someone else to do what he did? NO, because he said he is not going to be doing any mods on the Marshall mics. End of story.

On the other hand, I was really hoping that he would share something with us...even a "this mic can be pretty good with some mods"..not the "do you know who I am" syndrome that we got.
 
What do expect from a "newbie" like Stephen?!
Only kidding Stephen, it's always amusing to see the newbie tag on
someone like you, Harvey, Alan Hyatt, etc.-like that means anything!

"If you can find out what was performed on the mics, maybe we can
replicate on our own?"
Stephen has a right to be offended by this question IMHO.
As Harvey knows, even I have crossed "the line" a bit on "appropriate"
questions due to my enthusiasm.
In the same fashion tubedude, maybe you didn't understand the full
impact of your quote above.
It would seem to be the best policy to keep any of Stephen's modifications
a "secret recipe" ala Coca Cola, KFC chicken, etc.
Why not? They get to do it!

P.S. Stephen is NOT on an ego trip, and hopefully will think enough of us
to visit us more often if we don't make a big deal out of this.
He has been ripped off in the past by manufacturers.
 
Seems a pity that some of you can't understand what I had to go through to do all this in the first place.

Even more so that because I have finally learned that if I'm going to feed my people that I need to protect what I do better.

On my own forum I share a great deal of information.

A lot of you seem to somehow think you're 'owed' something.

If you want to diss on me because that's your feeling, great.

What I have done, will never be publsihed on the net or anywhere, because if it could be done, it would have been by now.

There's a reason there is only one source on the planet for a sub-three micron capsule. And why Neumann themselves sends you to us if your tube KM dies.

It's a lost art.

When you demonstrate tat you have some kind of understandoing what it takes and has taken to ignore the money thrown at me and keep making what is good and real, you might start to grow up.

I don't owe any of you anything.

And yet I have shared so much of what I've done it has nearly bankrupted me three times over.

So to whoever it was that said it makes them feel like ripping me off, be my guest and try. You're not the first. And you make it painfully obvious how ignorant you are. You evidentally can't even understand what it took to do in the first place, let alone imitate it.

This is exactly why I do not come here as a rule. The 'shitstorm' that occurred wasn't my fault, but I suppose if it makes you feel important to say what you want about me, go right ahead.

And to the rest who understand, sorry it has to be this way, but with lovely people like your pals hanging here that judge another's work with no knowledge of what that really is, while enjoying all the benefits of that work, (and I claim to be no god, that is something others do, not I) and have no conception of the true value of what I gave away, all I can say is, enjoy your gear. And leave me out of your discussions in future please, especially if you haven't a clue as to what you are asking or think it's about.
 
"On the other hand, I was really hoping that he would share something with us...even a "this mic can be pretty good with some mods"..not the "do you know who I am" syndrome that we got."

I don't give a hoot whther you know who I am or not.

And I wasn't asked that.

Look to yourselves for the ego. and please stop judging me.

I know who I am.
 
Stephen, there are many people here who would appreciate your
thoughts now and then when you have time and inclination to do so.
 
Dear s__paul:

I have no idea what this argument is about, but I do know that it is possible to have the argument without being such an asshole.
 
s_paul said:
"On the other hand, I was really hoping that he would share something with us...even a "this mic can be pretty good with some mods"..not the "do you know who I am" syndrome that we got."

I don't give a hoot whther you know who I am or not.

And I wasn't asked that.

Look to yourselves for the ego. and please stop judging me.

I know who I am.
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Thats how you come off, I'm just saying like it is. You sir, have an ego, thats it.

I know who you are too.
 
s_paul said:
Seems a pity that some of you can't understand what I had to go through to do all this in the first place.

Even more so that because I have finally learned that if I'm going to feed my people that I need to protect what I do better.

On my own forum I share a great deal of information.

A lot of you seem to somehow think you're 'owed' something.

If you want to diss on me because that's your feeling, great.

What I have done, will never be publsihed on the net or anywhere, because if it could be done, it would have been by now.

There's a reason there is only one source on the planet for a sub-three micron capsule. And why Neumann themselves sends you to us if your tube KM dies.

It's a lost art.

When you demonstrate tat you have some kind of understandoing what it takes and has taken to ignore the money thrown at me and keep making what is good and real, you might start to grow up.

I don't owe any of you anything.

And yet I have shared so much of what I've done it has nearly bankrupted me three times over.

So to whoever it was that said it makes them feel like ripping me off, be my guest and try. You're not the first. And you make it painfully obvious how ignorant you are. You evidentally can't even understand what it took to do in the first place, let alone imitate it.

This is exactly why I do not come here as a rule. The 'shitstorm' that occurred wasn't my fault, but I suppose if it makes you feel important to say what you want about me, go right ahead.

And to the rest who understand, sorry it has to be this way, but with lovely people like your pals hanging here that judge another's work with no knowledge of what that really is, while enjoying all the benefits of that work, (and I claim to be no god, that is something others do, not I) and have no conception of the true value of what I gave away, all I can say is, enjoy your gear. And leave me out of your discussions in future please, especially if you haven't a clue as to what you are asking or think it's about.
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nobody said you owed us a fucking thing...NOBODY SAID THAT!!!

We all look to you because your the fucking MIC GURU...do you think people arent going to ask about what you do?

Your being an ass about this, how hard would it have been to say "Tubedude, I would love to tell you what I'm doing to this mic, but it's proprietary" ......not the attitude that you have.

No one was judging you...you just come off like an asshole, and people are going to treat you that way.

I visit your fourm often and I'm grateful for the information you give, but please GET OVER YOURSELF.
 
I am loathe to step into the middle of a shit storm.Please don't anyone take offense one way or another.I think that asking Stephen to spend his time doing mods on Marshall mics is kind of like asking a great gourmet cook to flip burgers at Mickey D's.First off,it is kind of an insult to the gourmet to ask him to work there,then nobody would want to pay the cook what he is worth especially when he is asked to make gourmet dinners out of McDonalds food.Ya can't make a silk purse out of a cows ear.There has to be a limit to the cost of doing mods to marshall mics,if not why wouldn't you just buy a better mic to begin with.I am going to do the Dorsey mod myself to my POS 2001p but only if it'll cost me about $50 or so,any more than that I'll put towards a new mic instead.

I can see that if you have a large budget and great ears than it might be worthwhile to spend big bucks to modify a nice mic.From what I understand that is the basis of SP's business.I think it is cool that he did a pro bono mod for a friend and I understand why he might not want the details of his modification public.This his his livleyhood not a hobby for him.Cut him just a little slack.
 
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