bdbdbuck
New member
damn...something went wrong there...I didn't want the whole damn thing!
philboyd studge
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bdbdbuck said:
Ya know the more I think about it, it just might work.
I did some concert promotion way back (as a very junior partner) with a friend who went on into management and then running concert venues. Currently he's about 80 miles down the road as entertainment director of a casino outside San Diego. Think I'm gonna call 'em, he's far more connected than I.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
No a lava lamp shouldn't induce any hum. All it is is a 40watt lamp. It doesn't have any dimmer or electronics.
Toki987
Rock Steady
Hi everyone, my name is Ken, I`m a 50 yr old musica addict.
(sounds like an AA meeting, hehehehe)
I quit playing professionally 24 yrs ago. I felt I was 250 yrs old and needed rest. I came back to alabama, stuck the bass under the bed so I could reach it fast if needed. It lay there 9 years before I developed a needed fix bad. I started working some Fri nights at the senior citizens center with 3 other guys just to get the buzz, and it felt good entertaining those older folks. We took on some more jobs and left the old folks after 3 yrs, and then it was conventions, weddings, private parties, rythymn section work, jingles, and so on for 11 yrs, great money and didnt work a single club the whole time. It eventually started turning into work again so we shelved it. For the last 3 yrs or so I have just done occasional stuff to help somebody out that needed a weekend off or if a bass player was sick. Then this summer I picked up a midi connector and Power Tracks, I was given PA9 by a close friend a few weeks later, then I got Sonar. I`ve never worked at home with a digital recording system before. I acknowledge that I now am becoming more and more uncurable....
'love you guys.
(sounds like an AA meeting, hehehehe)
I quit playing professionally 24 yrs ago. I felt I was 250 yrs old and needed rest. I came back to alabama, stuck the bass under the bed so I could reach it fast if needed. It lay there 9 years before I developed a needed fix bad. I started working some Fri nights at the senior citizens center with 3 other guys just to get the buzz, and it felt good entertaining those older folks. We took on some more jobs and left the old folks after 3 yrs, and then it was conventions, weddings, private parties, rythymn section work, jingles, and so on for 11 yrs, great money and didnt work a single club the whole time. It eventually started turning into work again so we shelved it. For the last 3 yrs or so I have just done occasional stuff to help somebody out that needed a weekend off or if a bass player was sick. Then this summer I picked up a midi connector and Power Tracks, I was given PA9 by a close friend a few weeks later, then I got Sonar. I`ve never worked at home with a digital recording system before. I acknowledge that I now am becoming more and more uncurable....
'love you guys.
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
HEHEHEHEHEHE, welcome to the club toki987
You'll know it is if you've made an ebay bookmark for proaudio. 
hey phillboyd, thanks. I think your idea is tremendous. Say, if you've read what the mastering engineers at prorec.com are saying about corp recording, then you really can see whats taking place in america. The Corp mooks don't give a shit about anything but a record being mastered digitally "loud" and matching the current "hot sound". Musicianship not required.(Nashville is different, but the mastering concepts are becomeing the same) ha! what the fuck is that. They just bring in session guys like always if need be or dump it to Alishad(protools) and edit it to the point you don't know who the fuck it is. "Fuck the public, they don't need to know about that". And don't care either. I wonder how many "recording artists" were never fucking recorded at all. But thats another pet peeve of mine. What your talking about is something different. Corp radio. Thats another word for McDonalds music nowdays. Fastradio. Listen to 5 current rock CD's and you'll see what I mean. Something else I've noticed too. Radio stations use some kind of EQ that is licensed and setup for each radio station nowdays(I beleive) Makes each station have its own sonic "signature" I bet the radio mix is different than the product mix too. Hmmm, I wonder if each lable has its own sonic "signature" also
....... Hey, thats what we need for the new lable!!
Some kind of sonic "signature". Damn, I've got it. All you need to do is track to analog, dump to alishad and edit, master smash it to smithereens, add a dash of sonydash, toss in sonic signiture for 3 minutes and serve. Every artist will sound just like top 40. I know, we'll remaster Doc Watson, and call him something hip, mash the shit out of his dynamic range put 5 dancers behind him and a DJ....and you philboyd, lets see.....ok your latest tune, hmmm I wonder if bitch slap is out of tunes yet...yea thats it.....YEA!! We'll MAkE MILLIONS I TELL YOU!! ....... ah, oh where am I ..oh yea....OKOK I know, my imagination is out of control
I have an excuse though. Actually, its procrastination. I've got 16 more unbalanced cables and a twin D-sub cable to make....ARGGGGGGGGGRRRRR! Its tooooo cold in my shop right now. See ya,fitz
Hey guys, I've gotta say....its been cool to talk to you. I've seen enough bullshit, egomania, ball bustin, flamethrower using crap... that for once, I don't have to feel like I'm batting at a ballgame where the ball is a tomato. Prorec is really bad with know it alls who even perform your funeral or jury trial(all mocked but fucked no less) and sometimes here too. But this thread has been interesting, even though I owe an apology for replying as a player who is not gigging live.
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Ha! I'm surprized you saw that. Actually Cardioidpotent, my "studio" is a temporary bedroom music art CAD workstation design experiment
I really have 7 of them. I am using them to fill some chemical lab quarz tubes(bigger lamps) that are part of a DIFFUSER I am currently building. Very unusual, but real. I am actually going to have a member here(he a physicist specialized in acoustics)mathamaticly qualify it. Very very cool. Made from aluminum extrusions. I'll post pics as soon as its pretty togeather. Ill use it now for a cloud of sorts over the console, as it is a light fixture, mic boom rack, but its a rear wall diffuser for my next studio which I am going to build from the ground up. Hmmm, shit, I did it again....
fitz
PS, any incandescent lamp is ok. Halogen requires 12v, which means a transformer somewhere in the circuit. NONO for studio. Unless you turn them off during tracking. Thats what I do. I have a shitload of lighting in my studio. Even wierd 12v car lens etc. Especially the new purple ones
Like I said, my studio is an experiment. I even use laminated colored plex for things. I like it.
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crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
I'm almost 52 and I will be playing six nights a week starting in January. I am going to write some new tunes for a publisher as well. I also have a studio business that makes me about 30-40 grand a year. I feel like I am just beginning. I have a bunch of potential projects in the works. Music is still fascinating and a challenge.
I approach things differently than I used to. I play fewer notes, but try to make good note choices. I try to write songs that are meaningful rather than cloned for a market. I rely less on gear and more on my ears and my fingers for a sound.
It may all fall apart in an instant--I don't know. Meanwhile, I am grateful for the opportunity to practice my craft and live from it. I consider myself very fortunate. I thought I would be finished at 30--then at 40--then at 50. I just keep going. I guess music is not about age--its about attitude. Keep the attitude and you can play till you die! Thats what I am thinking now!
I approach things differently than I used to. I play fewer notes, but try to make good note choices. I try to write songs that are meaningful rather than cloned for a market. I rely less on gear and more on my ears and my fingers for a sound.
It may all fall apart in an instant--I don't know. Meanwhile, I am grateful for the opportunity to practice my craft and live from it. I consider myself very fortunate. I thought I would be finished at 30--then at 40--then at 50. I just keep going. I guess music is not about age--its about attitude. Keep the attitude and you can play till you die! Thats what I am thinking now!
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Howdy Crawdad!
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
I'm 41, and I've gigged very little.
I've been in a few garage bands in years past, and we typically never got past just doing the garage, an occasional house party, open mic nights, or even once got invited to fill some time with some other music heads at some dive bar. That, or else being in a straight up college band, and playing stupid college gigs, wherever they booked us,... dive bars, rest homes, elementary schools, prisons,...
Honestly, gigging out was never a big priority, but I enjoy playing.
If you can find some really good friends, who are musically in tune with each other, then being in a band can be a lot of fun. On the other hand, if members have wildly different ideas, or maybe infighting or whatever, then being in a band can really suck.
Personally, now I'm at a point where I don't want to put up with people's crap, when a few years ago I'd make certain sacrifices to hook up with band members. Not any more. I have no desire to indulge people's personal whims, other than my own, or those of my immediate family.
Gig or no gig, it doesn't make any difference to me. I may not be 'all that' as a 'playa', but I just do my thing to amuse myself, and if someone else likes it, or maybe other people find it fun to listen to, then that's fine too.
I wouldn't mind hooking up with some really cool players who I clicked with, but that's rather unlikely, because I hardly ever go out, and I really don't know anybody, other than the neighbors and people at work. I don't go to clubs anymore.
It's funny though, that the two houses across the street both have teenage kids with garage bands, who believe it or not play pretty well for their age, so I have fun with that,... mentoring them, helping them with equipment and even recording them occasionally. We trade our demos, etc, just for fun. I'm not sure if they think of me as "old" or a "geezer", ha, but I certainly couldn't presume to sit in with them, because I don't listen to their music, and to a certain extent I can't relate to it either.
I consider myself to be on the tail end of the Beatles' generation, and in the generation of the 70's, [straddling the 60s & 70s], and that's the music I play. Classic Rock, god I hate that term,... more like "Fossil Rock". Haha, that's what it is, Fossil Rock, but I love it! Haha.
I definitely can't relate very well to the "post-Nirvana" generation of contemporary rock music, although I think some new modern rock music is cool, I don't concentrate on listening to it, and I certainly can't play it.
Same with metal,... I like some of it, but don't listen to much of it, and I certainly can't play it.
It would be nice to find other players who I could relate to, where everyone was in tune with each other, and there wasn't a lot of head trips and downside to it all, but until then, I'll be what I am, a solitary man.
Thank god for home recording, 'cause I can throw down tracks just for the fun and pure enjoyment of music. Bands are fun, and I really enjoyed myself when I was in them, but solo recording is as much fun or more so. With a band, I get the highly charged, immediate rush from creating music and playing together, and with recording, I get a rush out of playing all the parts, building up the sound, and doing it myself, to a point where the tape has that 'band' sound when I'm done.
No doubt, I'd venture to say my music and recording is better as a solo production than it was when I was in a band.
Bands are fun, and gigging is fun, I'll give that to ya. Recording solo projects fills that void for me.
I've been in a few garage bands in years past, and we typically never got past just doing the garage, an occasional house party, open mic nights, or even once got invited to fill some time with some other music heads at some dive bar. That, or else being in a straight up college band, and playing stupid college gigs, wherever they booked us,... dive bars, rest homes, elementary schools, prisons,...
Honestly, gigging out was never a big priority, but I enjoy playing.
If you can find some really good friends, who are musically in tune with each other, then being in a band can be a lot of fun. On the other hand, if members have wildly different ideas, or maybe infighting or whatever, then being in a band can really suck.
Personally, now I'm at a point where I don't want to put up with people's crap, when a few years ago I'd make certain sacrifices to hook up with band members. Not any more. I have no desire to indulge people's personal whims, other than my own, or those of my immediate family.
Gig or no gig, it doesn't make any difference to me. I may not be 'all that' as a 'playa', but I just do my thing to amuse myself, and if someone else likes it, or maybe other people find it fun to listen to, then that's fine too.
I wouldn't mind hooking up with some really cool players who I clicked with, but that's rather unlikely, because I hardly ever go out, and I really don't know anybody, other than the neighbors and people at work. I don't go to clubs anymore.
It's funny though, that the two houses across the street both have teenage kids with garage bands, who believe it or not play pretty well for their age, so I have fun with that,... mentoring them, helping them with equipment and even recording them occasionally. We trade our demos, etc, just for fun. I'm not sure if they think of me as "old" or a "geezer", ha, but I certainly couldn't presume to sit in with them, because I don't listen to their music, and to a certain extent I can't relate to it either.
I consider myself to be on the tail end of the Beatles' generation, and in the generation of the 70's, [straddling the 60s & 70s], and that's the music I play. Classic Rock, god I hate that term,... more like "Fossil Rock". Haha, that's what it is, Fossil Rock, but I love it! Haha.
I definitely can't relate very well to the "post-Nirvana" generation of contemporary rock music, although I think some new modern rock music is cool, I don't concentrate on listening to it, and I certainly can't play it.
Same with metal,... I like some of it, but don't listen to much of it, and I certainly can't play it.
It would be nice to find other players who I could relate to, where everyone was in tune with each other, and there wasn't a lot of head trips and downside to it all, but until then, I'll be what I am, a solitary man.
Thank god for home recording, 'cause I can throw down tracks just for the fun and pure enjoyment of music. Bands are fun, and I really enjoyed myself when I was in them, but solo recording is as much fun or more so. With a band, I get the highly charged, immediate rush from creating music and playing together, and with recording, I get a rush out of playing all the parts, building up the sound, and doing it myself, to a point where the tape has that 'band' sound when I'm done.
No doubt, I'd venture to say my music and recording is better as a solo production than it was when I was in a band.
Bands are fun, and gigging is fun, I'll give that to ya. Recording solo projects fills that void for me.
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A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
BTW, I do have one friend who's a most amazing, awesome guitarist,...
and I was telling him the other day, that "rock & roll's not about being tired and worn out,... it's about having ENERGY!"
I truly believe that, so although I try to get my hands on an instrument daily if possible, regardless, I'll only record if I really have that 'energy'. Any time I've recorded when I was tired, the recording was lackluster, at best.
Oh, I'll let you have your thread back now.
and I was telling him the other day, that "rock & roll's not about being tired and worn out,... it's about having ENERGY!"
I truly believe that, so although I try to get my hands on an instrument daily if possible, regardless, I'll only record if I really have that 'energy'. Any time I've recorded when I was tired, the recording was lackluster, at best.
Oh, I'll let you have your thread back now.
Toki987
Rock Steady
A Reel Person : " I get a rush out of playing all the parts, building up the sound, and doing it myself, to a point where the tape has that 'band' sound when I'm done. "
an the ppl said "amen, amen".
an the ppl said "amen, amen".
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
",... [rock music]'s about having ENERGY!"
Home recording's about capturing that energy.
Home recording's about capturing that energy.
philboyd studge
New member
crawdad said:
Same here, it feels sometimes like I've spent a lifetime running from reality and I'm gonna have to pay for it any day, yet there are plenty of musicians well into their 70's playing full time around here.
I just feel there is an untapped commercial market for our peer group. Love, family, angst, depression, anxioty, humor all take on a different meaning when you're older and no longer bulletproof. I think there's plenty of folks out there that would listen to and purchase music that addressed these things if it was more widely available.
Buffalo Bob
New member
A lot of it depends on LOCATION. Down here, it's all DJ's in the clubs, and Buffett clones in the tiki bars. Also, your limited as a duo or a single act. You're mostly relegated to the smaller joints, short money and long hours. We stopped gigging because this is not a music-friendly town. These people really do think DJs are musicians!
Been thinking about putting a 5-piece together just to do Saturday nights at this biker bar in the Keys, playing the old stuff. This PA is just sittin here gathering dust. I can hear the opening bass line from "Gimme Some Lovin" right now.
Long Live The Mockers!
Been thinking about putting a 5-piece together just to do Saturday nights at this biker bar in the Keys, playing the old stuff. This PA is just sittin here gathering dust. I can hear the opening bass line from "Gimme Some Lovin" right now.
Long Live The Mockers!
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Trotter
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I am 46 soon to be 47. Started playing when I was twelve. Played my first gig when I was 13. Played out for about 15 years. I spent nearly 10 years playing in a band named Shelter. We did pretty well on the local level, but never had any kind of big success. After playing for nearly ten years the band broke up. The main reasons I got out of it is I really was not satisfied playing cover tunes along with not liking bars. Maybe that’s a hang up I have, if I play the same old music over and over again I tend to get very bored. My main interest was to try to do our own tunes, but the need to make money forced us to take the wrong direction. We hired a female singer, and that really changed the identity we had. We did a couple sets of our own tunes at first, along with a lot of guitar rock. My favorite music to play is ACDC or something similar with a lot of energy and a driving beat. That’s what I get into. Don’t get me wrong if a person is happy playing cover tunes that’s cool. Happiness is an individual thing.
I am really enjoying reading about playing in the early sixties. What a great time to be playing music! There was something really special about those days. I feel very lucky that I was able to experience the seventies era in my limited way. I missed out on the sixties, but had a great time in the seventies. Rick, you played from 9 to 5 in the morning then went to the studio? When did you sleep? I did the 9 to 5 gig at two different clubs for about a month. Most the time I couldn’t remember playing the second gig. I know I probably had fun, I just don’t remember it! That was a cool pic of your band. Anyone got any more pics of the old days? Very interesting.
This has really turned out to be an interesting and encouraging thread. I didn’t expect to see so many guitarists still playing over forty. If rock is all about rebellion who’s to say us older guys can’t rebel too!
We’re not old, we’re vintage people.
I am really enjoying reading about playing in the early sixties. What a great time to be playing music! There was something really special about those days. I feel very lucky that I was able to experience the seventies era in my limited way. I missed out on the sixties, but had a great time in the seventies. Rick, you played from 9 to 5 in the morning then went to the studio? When did you sleep? I did the 9 to 5 gig at two different clubs for about a month. Most the time I couldn’t remember playing the second gig. I know I probably had fun, I just don’t remember it! That was a cool pic of your band. Anyone got any more pics of the old days? Very interesting.
This has really turned out to be an interesting and encouraging thread. I didn’t expect to see so many guitarists still playing over forty. If rock is all about rebellion who’s to say us older guys can’t rebel too!
We’re not old, we’re vintage people.
Toki987
Rock Steady
I just realized that the original question pertained to guitar players over 40...oops!!
I`m a bass player, does that count? hehehe
besides, I always thought guitar players were sissies!!
I`m a bass player, does that count? hehehe
besides, I always thought guitar players were sissies!!
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Hello Trotter, Ha! When I did the afterhours things, there were two different periods. About a year stint at a local rock club, playing 6 nights and 3 extra hours on Fri and Sat. I was 32. Then when I was 40, I did a country gig on just Fri and Sat with afterhours on both nights till whenever it petered out. Sometimes it just moved to another bands house or studio. Geezus! Don't know how I lived through it. Did that for 2 years. But what a fantastic time. All the local country guys would come in. Holy Moly could some of those guys play their ass off! It was great having jams with fiddles, sometimes twin fiddles, steel, electric mandolin, piano and of course guitarists up the ying yang. On sat. I would usually get 6 to 8 hours sleep, but sundays were ALWAYS day long jams. Mondays were burn out, and I had to work. No fun mondays I've played through a lot of periods, music's bands and motives. I've been fortunate, and unfortunate. Got to take the bad with the good, untill it doesn't balance. Now I have my fun in the studio. And I still get to play with friends, but now I don't have to make money doing it. So the motives and music are of my chosing. You know what the worst thing "working" in music was. Tuesday night. No one there at 9 oclock, and your playing loud hard rock. Seemed stupid with no one listening. But your right about the 60's. there was nothing like it since. I played 4 distinct periods in 10 yrs. The band in the pic got an offer to sign with Capitol Records in 1965, but within a week, Uncle Sam called 4 out of the 5 members, me included. Needless to say, nothing happened after that. The world had changed and so had I. Drasticly.
fitz
I've played through a lot of periods, music's bands and motives. I've been fortunate, and unfortunate. Got to take the bad with the good, untill it doesn't balance. Now I have my fun in the studio. And I still get to play with friends, but now I don't have to make money doing it. So the motives and music are of my chosing. You know what the worst thing "working" in music was. Tuesday night. No one there at 9 oclock, and your playing loud hard rock. Seemed stupid with no one listening. But your right about the 60's. there was nothing like it since. I played 4 distinct periods in 10 yrs. The band in the pic got an offer to sign with Capitol Records in 1965, but within a week, Uncle Sam called 4 out of the 5 members, me included. Needless to say, nothing happened after that. The world had changed and so had I. Drasticly.fitz
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schenkerguy
Member
Well, I'm 40 and probably the reverse of most people. I've done home recording for over 20 years, and have only been on a stage about 5 times. Wouldn't mind playing live I guess, but my brain is totally wired for inventing guitar parts, recording them section by section, and forgetting them! and you can't "punch-in" live!
It would be cool if I knew musicians in my area who could come in and record a track or collaborate.
Must run down and lay down some tracks right now... :- )
It would be cool if I knew musicians in my area who could come in and record a track or collaborate.
Must run down and lay down some tracks right now... :- )
A Reel Person
It's Too Funky in Here!!!
There's that whole movement toward internet collaborations,...
and it's helping close the distance between people and their music, but you have to be really into your computer for it to be practical. Internet-collab doesn't lend itself very well to the analog based recordists, like me.
and it's helping close the distance between people and their music, but you have to be really into your computer for it to be practical. Internet-collab doesn't lend itself very well to the analog based recordists, like me.
RICK FITZPATRICK
New member
Hello Reel Person, how you been, any recording lately? Say, I would be interested in how the colaboration thing would work. Any links or info? I was telling Sennheiser not long ago, how I wouldn't mind layin some tracks to some of his stuff, but didn't know how that would work. You too for that matter I think that would open up a whole new world for home recording. Gee, just think about it, log on to the musician pool and take your pic, ha!! You could have all sorts of track trading going on. Wow! I guess it would have to be in a MP3 type format or something huh?
fitz
I think that would open up a whole new world for home recording. Gee, just think about it, log on to the musician pool and take your pic, ha!! You could have all sorts of track trading going on. Wow! I guess it would have to be in a MP3 type format or something huh? fitz