Group channels question

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Hi -- if I create a group channel in Cubase LE, and then select an audio channel to "send" to the group, I see 2 options in the send channel menu: "group channel 01" or "group channel R". What's the difference between these 2 options? Do I see this because I am sending a mono audio channel to the group? Or is it something else?

Also, if I route the audio channel to the group via a send, and select an insert effect for the group, sometimes the effect will be audible only in the left channel. Is this another mono/stereo issue with the channel or effect?

I've gone thru the manual in depth on this, but can't find a suitable explanation.

Any help is appreciated!

Keith
 
Perhaps you've inadvertently created a mono group channel. try creating a new group and make sure you select a stereo group. I think when you are assigning track outputs it will show you the stereo output for the groups and the separate L=R in subtext underneath as well... At least in Cubase sx. If you name your group channels, it's much easier to see what's what when assiging to them.

If all is ok there, (i.e all your drums are showing up on the stereo Drum Group fader ) check that are you also assigning the output of the sub group channels to the proper stereo mix output- not to another mono group or something like that.

good luck

DAN
 
Dan Merrill said:
Perhaps you've inadvertently created a mono group channel. try creating a new group and make sure you select a stereo group. I think when you are assigning track outputs it will show you the stereo output for the groups and the separate L=R in subtext underneath as well... At least in Cubase sx. If you name your group channels, it's much easier to see what's what when assiging to them.

If all is ok there, (i.e all your drums are showing up on the stereo Drum Group fader ) check that are you also assigning the output of the sub group channels to the proper stereo mix output- not to another mono group or something like that.

good luck

DAN
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On LE, there actually isn't an option for mono/stereo group channels. I was digging into this last night, and what happens is this:

-If you route a mono audio channel to a group, and put in an insert (reverb) in the group channel, the left channel of the output is weighted more heavily to the left. The group channel is routed to the master bus. You can hear the weighting, and the master channel meters show a higher signal on the left when the audio channel/group channel is solo'd. This happens even when everything is panned to the center. Also, when you select the group channel from the sends pop-up, you have an option to send to "group channel" or "group channel R".

-If you route a stereo audio channel to a group, and put in an insert (reverb) in the group channel, the L and R channels are even. You also only have an option to send to "group channel 01" -- the "group channel R" option isn't there.

Any thoughts on this? Should I not send any mono audio channels to a group if I am planning on using an insert effect in the group?

Thank you!

Keith
 
Group channels

LemonTree said:
why would you use reverb as an insert effect?
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Sending an audio channel to a group that has an insert effect = using an effect as a send on an audio channel.

Keith
 
I suppose I've never wanted the whole signal wet before
 
I'll try to duplicate this on my set up today. what reverb are you using? I'm using SX so I may not get the same results as you. BTW are you using a stereo reverb effect?
 
If you really want to do it this way, you must assign 2 sends on your channel. 1 for the right and 1 for the left. Then you adjust both the sends to the same level. SX 2 and 3 don't make you do this.
 
Group channels

Farview said:
If you really want to do it this way, you must assign 2 sends on your channel. 1 for the right and 1 for the left. Then you adjust both the sends to the same level. SX 2 and 3 don't make you do this.
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Ah -- sort of a weird way for Cubase to set it up, but it makes sense. Thanks, I'll give it a try. Cubase recommends setting up the audio channel-to-group-channel send as an efficient way to use a single effect (like reverb) for multiple channels. Do you guys agree with this approach?

Thanks again for your help --

Keith
 
Reverb

Dan Merrill said:
I'll try to duplicate this on my set up today. what reverb are you using? I'm using SX so I may not get the same results as you. BTW are you using a stereo reverb effect?
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Hey Dan -- I am using Reverb B from Cubase (which is the only verb available in LE). There is no option to select a stereo or mono reverb in LE -- that I can see anyway.

Keith
 
I normally use group channels for compression and effects channels for effects (delay, reverb, etc) If you were to get Cubase SX, it would work out a little better because it allows for stereo sends on mono channels.
 
Group channels

Farview said:
I normally use group channels for compression and effects channels for effects (delay, reverb, etc) If you were to get Cubase SX, it would work out a little better because it allows for stereo sends on mono channels.
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Do you happen to know if Cubase SL offers the same capability? I was thinking of upgrading to that -- cheaper than SX but offers a good amount of inserts and sends compared to LE.
 
I use Nuendo which is set up like Cubase SX. The only reason I knew what your problem was is because Nuendo 1.x had the same problem. I don't know anything about the different Cubases
 
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