pohaku
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That's my understanding as well.
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That's my understanding as well.
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donkeystyle
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that's the way I understood it.
I wonder if this new offer voids the original "if any pre gets 200 orders it will be 25 dollars a piece cheaper" offer.
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Gilliland
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Some of you may recall that I posted a brief sample of the ACM310 here about six weeks ago in a live concert recording. The finished recording from that night has now been posted, so anyone who wants to hear the ACM-310s in action can listen to the full two hour show if they like. It's all bluegrass, which may not appeal to everyone, but these guys are among the best young bluegrass bands in the world, so it shouldn't be much of a hardship!
http://www.folkalley.com/music/livefrom/stringdusters/
I just got a PM from someone who seemed to have the impression that I was a part of the ensemble performing on the recording referenced above. Just in case I managed to confuse anyone, let me make it clear - I am only the engineer for this recording. The musicians are exceptional, but I am NOT one of them.
The band (the "Infamous Stringdusters") won the 2007 IBMA emerging artist award and tied for album of the year. They're good, VERY good, but that's not why I brought them up. I was just delighted at how well the mics worked out for this music. Sorry if I confused anyone.
WhiteStrat
Don't stare at the eye.
I did a mic shootout with a bunch of different mics on guitar cabs a while back. SM57, e609, i5 and the ACM 3 among them. So you can at least here it compares to some classic guitar cab mics.
But be warned--5 out of 6 of the mics in the shootout were dynamics. So in the test, the ribbon mic suffered unfairly. If I were just recording with it, I'd dial my amp in differently to brighten it up. As it is in the test, it sounds a bit dark. It's "smooth and sweet" compared to the dynamics though, and even with it a bit dark, that shows up in the test.
http://www.spottedmuse.com/shootout/
At the bottom of the introduction are links to different samples.
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earlwgreen
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Hey Chance,
How is the proximity effect on this tube ribbon? Sounds like it would work for a high tenor voice. I want a nice smooth top.
Thanks
Earl
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warlock110
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that's IF you can mod the mic, some if not most will not be able to open the sucka up and swap parts.
Then we have 3 things to compare
The real thing > The modded mic > The stock mic
In relation to Price/performance. And that kind of comparision is extremely hard right now as we barely have any info on these things. (obviously most do not own all 3 type to compare)
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chance
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I thought I mentioned this before, but the xfrmr, tube, and any other changes were made AFTER it was discovered that these were the same mic.
RightOnMusic
asshat
quite honestly, guys, i think the point here is that we ARE going to be the ones to suply chance with the information you're all craving. many of these mics are new to chance as well. by providing them to us at the lowest possible cost, he'll have hundreds of people who can give him the feedback he needs to get these mics retail ready, and come up with a fair price for them. we're like beta testers. and the more we keep posting feedback about the mics we already have, the easier it will be for chance to get his company moving in the right direction. so rather than repeatedly asking for information that chance doesn't seem to have, i'm going to take a stab at a couple of the new mics that look good and hope it works out for me. the point of this (for me at least) is not to fill a space in my mic closet, it's to help shed more light on these mics and how these mics can be improved, or whether they even need to be. if i get some things i have a great use for, that's amazing! if not, i can obviously turn them around on ebay, as demonstrated above. (maybe in a slightly more honest fashion, though... hehe)
also, lets try to remember what's something that chance has said and what's hype from other people on the board. i feel like chance is starting to take some flack for things other people have said. he's the friggin good guy here!
also, lets try to remember what's something that chance has said and what's hype from other people on the board. i feel like chance is starting to take some flack for things other people have said. he's the friggin good guy here!
Chris Long
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Wow. I feel like everyone should read RightOn's post (above); think about it some, and then read it again. Good stuff. Thanks for some much-needed perspective, RightOn.
nuemes
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RightOnMusic, it's just that the rest of us like to be paid for doing others' quality control & marketing for them.
hehe. Just kidding. Where's Chessrock when you need him?
dgatwood
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Oh. You're talking about that mic. My bad.
crazydoc
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We are being paid - the difference in the future street price and what we are paying now.RightOnMusic, it's just that the rest of us like to be paid for doing others' quality control & marketing for them.
It's a risk, of course - those that don't want to take it should opt out.He's around - just in his less abrasive, girly form.
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warlock110
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We are being paid - the difference in the future street price and what we are paying now.
He's around - just in his less abrasive, girly form.
agree, risk is depend upon the individual. But just for the shake of the people, an analysis of "how much" risk would help everyone.
JTC111
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Now how can an analysis of risk be conducted on something where personal tastes and preferences have to be weighed against varied levels of expectation?
You want risk analysis, here it is: you might spend money on a microphone or preamp that you don't like, thus you'll be out that amount of money. There's your risk... you spend $100 on a mic and you don't like it? You've risked and lost $100. If anyone needs more analysis than that, they probably shouldn't participate. And if you're expecting your $55 ribbon mic to sound like a $2000 Royer, then you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed.
But if any ONE mic you buy pans out positively, you probably made out fine since you can sell off the others to recoup part of your initial layout and you're still left with the mic/mics you like.
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warlock110
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actually, there's alot of way to analyze risk, you don't do it for 1 individual, you do it as a template, and let people plug in their own numbers.
Anyways, i'm sensing an argument is about to come up, i'll stop it here.
Rust E-Z
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I bought a acm310, and an acm3 off of 37point5. I tried them out yesterday and they sound reeeaaly good.
I am just grateful that I am able to participate in this kind of thing, and all I had to do was register, and be part of this forum. (witch by the way has been a privilege, a great resource and free)
I get these mics wholesale, I have pages of info and support for most of them, and for a couple of them I'll have to wait for info.(or google some thing that rhymes with "eh-pecks port city")
All this and I don't see what I have really done to earn this opportunity.
Gratitude!
I am just grateful that I am able to participate in this kind of thing, and all I had to do was register, and be part of this forum. (witch by the way has been a privilege, a great resource and free)
I get these mics wholesale, I have pages of info and support for most of them, and for a couple of them I'll have to wait for info.(or google some thing that rhymes with "eh-pecks port city")
All this and I don't see what I have really done to earn this opportunity.
Gratitude!
kristian
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I don't want to push the issue since it seems like there is some tension but complex risk models for microphone purchases seems a little overkill. I think we need a fair dose of the KISS Principle. Either you have the guts for the risk or you don't. I'm more than sure you'll see some of these mics changing hands. If you can't take the risk up front, then relax, there will be some of these available after they hit these shores.
BTW, if you just skip going to the bar/cigarettes/vice-of-choice one weekend a month for the next four months, you'd probably be able to get a couple of these mics with the money saved. Since we brought up risk models let's get into utility and resource allocation. Screw guns and butter, how about mics and beer? That might be more applicable to this forum.
Let's keep this great opportunity friendly.
later.
JTC111
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I reread my post and while I didn't intend it to come off as angry, I can see how it could be taken that way if read with a different inflection as the one my brain was using when I was writing it.
I have no argument with anyone here. Apologies if it sounded that way.
JTC111
Active member
I bought a acm310, and an acm3 off of 37point5. I tried them out yesterday and they sound reeeaaly good.
I am just grateful that I am able to participate in this kind of thing, and all I had to do was register, and be part of this forum. (witch by the way has been a privilege, a great resource and free)
I get these mics wholesale, I have pages of info and support for most of them, and for a couple of them I'll have to wait for info.(or google some thing that rhymes with "eh-pecks port city")
All this and I don't see what I have really done to earn this opportunity.
Gratitude!
Rust E-Z, that's exactly how I feel. I posted somewhere else that I feel like I should have to pay tuition for all I learn here.
dgatwood
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It's hard to guess, but just judging from anecdotal evidence, the risk on condensers is very low—probably a fraction of a percent with any real problems—while the risk on ribbons is very high... like 80%. Fortunately, they are shipping them with spare ribbons this time.
The sum total of problems I had with my condensers (I bought four last round---two LDCs tube condensers, two 310s) was pulling it out of the box and finding a screw on my living room floor abd hearing something sliding around inside the power supply. One of the screws that was supposed to hold one of the XLR connectors in place had lost its nut (and maybe washer, I forget). Somebody hadn't tightened a screw enough. No big. I would expect the condensers to have almost no failures of consequence, though I'd expect probably one out of fifty or thereabouts to have some relatively minor problem like that one.
The ribbons... I bought six---two each of the lollipop, the Royer look-alike, and the double ribbon. Of the six, all four of the single ribbons arrived with a sagging ribbon, at least a couple of those were badly stretched with the first several folds on each end completely straightened. That suggests that something physically stretched the ribbon violently during the manufacturing process. I think you could mic up John Bonham's bass drum with the ribbon mic in the blowhole and you'd get less ribbon damage.
The big difference with the double ribbons is that the plastic cage protects the ribbon from air blasts, though I can't imagine how many PSI it would take to do that much damage through the cage f the ACM-3....
Anyway, the bottom line is that if you order a single ribbon, expect to disassemble it and install the replacement ribbon as soon as you get the thing. Anything less is probably not going to yield good results unless they fix whatever severe process problem caused the radically stretched ribbons.
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