Good DI/Splitter/Reamp box

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If its any help, I have access to both the Radial and the Littlelabs... I have found the "Redeye" to sound considerably fatter than the Radial stuff... but as always, YMMV.
 
twostone said:
Whatever I've had my Morley for years trouble free. Just a Y splitter ain't like it's dam preamp. Sure you can buy custom made splitter with midi but do you really need that. I record with two amps all the time with my Morley AB with a DI on a side chain so I can re-amp it if I aint happy with original take. Guess you probably think Dunlap trash to.
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Don't get so defensive. All I said was that I've heard bad things about the Morley.
 
johnny5dm said:
Call me crazy, but will the redeye actually let you split to two amps? It's great for re-amping, sure, but you said you wanted a DI and a split too, right?
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Not at the same time. I wanted the split so I could have one output to the amp and one output to a DI. I only need two outs.
 
Myriad_Rocker said:
Don't get so defensive. All I said was that I've heard bad things about the Morley.
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Well you ever told you that is a idiot and don't know what the heck there talking about lot pro guitarist use Morley live and in studio.
 
twostone said:
Well you ever told you that is a idiot and don't know what the heck there talking about lot pro guitarist use Morley live and in studio.
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Actually, if it is "just a Y splitter" than it is lossy. Once you spend a little bit of time in this industry you will learn that just because a few pro's use them that does not mean there are not issues or that it is the best or anything. In fact, I know a lot of pro's that use equipment that is not all that great in quality and just constantly replace them. It seems as if that one small Morley comment has really got under your skin. You might want to examine that.
 
Does the redeye have a 'thru' that allows the live guitar signal to be sent to a live amp as well as the xlr out for the DI?

I see a 'reamp out' but not a thru on it. Maybe I'm missing something.
 
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PhiloBeddoe said:
Does the redeye have a 'thru' that allows the live guitar signal to be sent to a live amp as well as the xlr out for the DI?

I see a 'reamp out' but not a thru on it. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Yes... there's an instrument in or thru on the back right beside the XLR mic level out
 
Sonixx,

Are you sure that the 'instrument in' on the rear serves as a thru?

According to the following link, the jack only says "instrument in" and the description is "Instrument in is the passive direct box instrument input and is parallel with the front panel instrument in. This can be configured to be the main input that will be interrupted when plugging in the front instrument in jack. This comes in handy when used in a fixed rack mounted application".

http://www.littlelabs.com/redeyerr.html

Looks to me like this is just another instrument in that is there for convenience in a racked system.

I still don't see a way to connect this to a live amp while tracking.
 
The reamp output can be used to feed an amp while actually tracking, and then used again during mixdown to reamp a track.
 
Sonixx,

Sorry, turns out you were exactly right. I emailed Little Labs and they responded promptly with the following, looks like they changed the label:

"On the rear of the Redeye is a jack labeled instrument in (as you can see on the photo on the web page), it is now labeled instrument in or thru, that is where you would plug in your amp."

Thanks
 
Just trying to help, the poster ask he wanted three in one well they don't have one and tried explain my set up,which I don't even use an re-amp box because I know how to re-amp with out one (the old fashion way) and all he needed was a A/BY and decent DI which I use Countryman which used to be the industry standard before PC recording hit the public. Sorry if I sounded defensive just trying to help out.
 
so with this unit, you plug your guitar in the front instrument in, run a cable from the rear instrument in/thru to your amplifier of choice (so that you can listen to yourself track while recording, and then out of the rear you run a cable from the mic-out to your computer/recording device...

you can either record only the DI track or you could mic the amplifier too so you have two tracks from one take right?

why not have just have the computer re-amp real time, as in, run your line from the intrument to the DI, DI into the computer, then have the computer send that signal it receives out into the Reamp box and into the amp and mic the amp? Here is a drawing.

is this box only going to be able to be a reamp box / DI+Splitter one at a time?

is what I mentioned possible with multiple peices of hardware?


what is the normal process of reamping?
 
darkecho said:
so with this unit, you plug your guitar in the front instrument in, run a cable from the rear instrument in/thru to your amplifier of choice (so that you can listen to yourself track while recording, and then out of the rear you run a cable from the mic-out to your computer/recording device...

you can either record only the DI track or you could mic the amplifier too so you have two tracks from one take right?

why not have just have the computer re-amp real time, as in, run your line from the intrument to the DI, DI into the computer, then have the computer send that signal it receives out into the Reamp box and into the amp and mic the amp? Here is a drawing.

is this box only going to be able to be a reamp box / DI+Splitter one at a time?

is what I mentioned possible with multiple peices of hardware?


what is the normal process of reamping?
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If a person were to do what you describe, they would have to use twice as much equipment to do the same job, would have latency, and would also have an extra D/A conversion and an extra A/D conversion. The way the original poster wants to use the Redeye would do the same thing, in one step, with less equipment, better quality, and fewer conversions with no latency.
 
what is the normal process of reamping?
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The normal process of reamping is to take a prerecorded dry guitar signal and send it back through an amp and micing it. Technically it could instead be sent to a modeler and still be called 'reamping'. In any case, the purpose is to improve or change the guitar sound.

So, there are two important signal paths for optimizing the signal integrity during the reamping process. The first is the direct guitar signal tracking. If you buy a cheapo DI box and send the guitar signal through to an amp and simultaneously to a recorder, neither of these signals will be as good as it could be. The second path is the reamping path. Since the outputs of your soundcard or mixer will be line level rather than instrument level, a device such as a reamping box will be needed to interface to the amp.
 
so reamping is usually a two-step process.. first you record the dry signal via the DI box, and then you use a reamping box to take the signal from the computer or whatever and send it back into an amplifier..

the red eye has a build in splitter function so what WHILE recording the dry signal, a copy of the signal BEFORE it is affected by the DI hardware is sent to out of the Instrument Thru into an amplifier as if you had just plugged your guitar straight into the amplifier?

what does the reamp function do versus the DI function? does the DI bring the guitar level up from line to mic level?

and does the reamp box take it from mic level back down to line level?
 
what does the reamp function do versus the DI function? does the DI bring the guitar level up from line to mic level?
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Guitar/Instrument level, mic level, and line level are all different things. Guitar/Instrument level is the signal level that would come out of a guitar or bass guitar. Mic level is the signal level that would come out of a microphone. Line level would come out of a mic preamp or a recorder, for example. Guitar and mic levels need to be amplified to reach line levels.

If you plug your guitar directly into the recorder's line level inputs, it will be so low that it will not be usable. This is where the DI function comes in. You plug your guitar into the redeye, take the mic level output and go into your preamp, mixer, or wherever you usually plug microphones into.

You do not want to send a line level into your guitar amplifier, because line level is too hot for it. This is where the reamp function comes in. It will reduce it to an amp-friendly level. You just send it from the reamp out to the guitar amp.

All the devices in the chain like guitars, amps, DIs, reamps, preamps, soundcards, mixers, etc. all have input and/or output impedances that work together. If they don't match well you either get a very lossy signal or end up badly overloading something.
 
ok ok, so you plug your guitar-(instrument level) into the redeye passive DI, it amplifies the instrument level to mic level, you then have to take the mic level and amplify it via a preamp to get it to line level, that you then can record into the computer with (Delta 44 and all of those sound cards all take Line Level Inputs right?)

then when you come out of the line level output of your audio interface and plug it into the reamp, you are plugging into the redeye-reamps line input, and the redeye then converts the line level signal all the way back down to instrument level for your amplifier??
 
cause i have the BG-1 preamp, so I would take the redeye and connect its mic level output to my preamp,and then it would be boosted to the correct signal to go into my PC interface, of course i dont need to go back through the preamp when i reamp right?
 
cause i have the BG-1 preamp, so I would take the redeye and connect its mic level output to my preamp,and then it would be boosted to the correct signal to go into my PC interface, of course i dont need to go back through the preamp when i reamp right?
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Yes, you would connect the mic level output of the redeye into your preamp.

If your PC interface has line level outputs then you would go directly from the PC interface into the redeye. During reamping you will use the preamp for its usual purpose, that is plugging a microphone that's on the the guitar amplifier into it.
 
ok so a passive DI does more of a compatibility thing rather than any real amplification, it just uses a transformer to change the electrical signal to a different combination of variables but doesnt change the actual sound at all.
 
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