Good Bye All...

[Han]

His claims that the Behringer B5 and the PMI C4's were identical mics.

Harv, please don't misunderstand me, but I've read this a number of times now and what I'm going to write down now is what I've posted before twice:

It was Alan himself who said that everybody knows the B5 is a C4 clone.

This was in a thread at Studioforums, which is moderated by DOT and Blue Bear. There was a thread about DJL and it was nothing more than gossip.

Alan posted in that thread and that is disappointing IMHO. A mistake like everybody makes every now and then.

It was cheap gossip behind someones back and when I made a remark about that the tread got deleted.

This is about honesty, I'm not defending DJL, but this is what happened. DOT and BB can confirm it.

 

[Big Kenny]

Let us move on and not make the same mistakes over and over and over and over..............................................

 

[Gidge]

At the cost of being flamed, banned ...

A lot of the stuff DJL wrote about PMI and their products was true. Obcessive the posts were, but they had a lot of truth to them. PMI's claims about the quality and "designs" of their microphones certainly wildly exagurated. We have lots of vintage and modern high-end products here as well as SP and believe me the mikes are not much different from any other generic Chinese mike.

However commercial sensitivities took over and resulted in a flame war which involved PMI and many others (even Harvey got on the act). In my opinion DJL had to DEFEND his position. This forum may hold PMI as a religion but the prosecution of someone expressing an opinion, however stron it may have been, is shamefull.


Yuri

I agree.....

 

[Reggaesoldier]

I don't know why DJL just didnt get the fact that all of us were tired of his PMI rants. If he just eased back on those, no one would really mind him. For example, I have a had a few run ins with Reggaesoldier, and we have traded some words here and there. Because I don't badger the guy every time he says something, no one has probably even noticed. I gaurentee you if I started an argument every time he posted something, you would all get real sick of it very quick, if not immediatly. It's just seems obvious to me that folks would find this annoying. Why DJL could not figure this is beyond me. He did have soom decent suggestions, and if did not pertain to PMI, i usauly paid attention.

Oh well. Hell be back, even if it's under a new name.

alright...these are fightin words!!!

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Harv, please don't misunderstand me, but I've read this a number of times now and what I'm going to write down now is what I've posted before twice:

It was Alan himself who said that everybody knows the B5 is a C4 clone.

This was in a thread at Studioforums, which is moderated by DOT and Blue Bear. There was a thread about DJL and it was nothing more than gossip.

Alan posted in that thread and that is disappointing IMHO. A mistake like everybody makes every now and then.

It was cheap gossip behind someones back and when I made a remark about that the tread got deleted.

This is about honesty, I'm not defending DJL, but this is what happened. DOT and BB can confirm it.

At the point in time that Alan made that remark, I don't think that he had even seen an actual B5, except maybe through ads. To say that "the B5 was a clone of the C4" was irresponsible on Alan's part, IMO. He had no facts to back that statement up, except for some obvious feature similarities between the two mics.

But it gave DJL the fuel he needed to extend that claim to "they're exactly identical" - without ever hearing either one or even seeing them in person.

I'd be willing to bet money that what Alan meant by his "clone" remark was that, in his opinion, the B5 was probably a cheap copy of the C4, using lower quality parts and poorer tolerance engineering to get the costs down. But Alan couldn't state that as a fact, since he hadn't seen the damn thing either.

Alan might have been right, but he was wrong to make the statement the way he did. DJL was even more at fault by taking that statement to mean they were "exactly identical" in every way, and plastering that supposition every chance he could on this board.

 

[alanhyatt]

Yurik,

First of all, I have to disagree with your statement. There is no Chinese sound. Marshall is a dark sounding mic, some SP's are bright. Neumann is a bit dark, AKG is a good deal bright, and every other mic you have in your locker will have its own descriptive sound.

That has nothing to do with DJL riding my ass 24/7. If we all ride you're ass here 24/7, I bet you will attack back as I did. Let's give it a try.

Ausrock can't find your number, so I say you are fake, you are DJL with a new name. Your studio sucks, you do not even have one, nor do you have any microphones. You have never turned out any recordings, and you are ugly to boot... Your studio is really a cloan of the Behringer studios, and you are really Peter from Rode trying to SPAM here.... Care to respond... If you get enough of this Yurik, you eventually strike back out of pure human frustration and anger.

 

[Gidge]

I think Alan has WAY MORE of a responsibility to check his facts before he posts.....DJL is just another member of a BBS....Alan is here spamming...err...i mean representing his products.......

when he says the B5 is a clone of the C4, or when Justin says the JM27 is the exact same mic as the MXL603, or whatever, it is VERY ireesponsible.......

and i find it funny how often it has happened......we are always explained "oh, i said THIS, but i meant THAT".....

 

[alanhyatt]

I think Alan has WAY MORE of a responsibility to check his facts before he posts.....DJL is just another member of a BBS....Alan is here spamming...err...i mean representing his products.......

when he says the B5 is a clone of the C4, or when Justin says the JM27 is the exact same mic as the MXL603, or whatever, it is VERY ireesponsible.......

and i find it funny how often it has happened......we are always explained "oh, i said THIS, but i meant THAT".....

I think you should have a responsibility for decerning what we mean. If you, Han, and DJL were not clear, then ask. No one else seemed to be unclear, so the majority either understood what I said, or asked me to clarify.

Perhaps my meaning was not totally understood by you, but then if it was not, you should have afforded me or Justin to clarify exactly what we meant instead of bashing or making accusations. In the end, this is all about different opinions.

 

[Han]

Okay, so DJL was a pain in the ass quite some times and for a couple of guys. But he had a point a number of times as well and I believe this forum was his second home.

After almost 4200 posts he left because he got frustrated. He started a thread on the guitar forum in order to do something with John Mayes and his guitar thang.

Of course he got flamed and deleted the thread. Then he started this thread about his leaving.

I guess we all have a reason to be proud of ourselves, not.

A while ago a very respected member of the musicplayer forums left because of some offending avatar of another forumite. Makes me sad.

 

[DJL]

The new DJL

Ok, I'm back for a quick comment... please put and end to all this crap on the mic forum. I'm not going to waste my time defending my opinions, comments, and etc... nor have I, or will I post on this forum using any other handle other than DJL. I have put a handfull of people on my ignore list for the sole reason of avoiding conflicts. I will stick to facts (and back them up with proof) and if and when I disagree I'll try to do it in a professional manner, and I suggest you all do the same.

IMO, it's time for everyone on this mic forum to put their focus on talking about mics and not all this BS... and then those who just want post flames and try to discredit others will have too find another place to play.

With that said, I will NOT post to this thread again... period.

 

[alanhyatt]

I've read this a number of times now and what I'm going to write down now is what I've posted before:

It was Alan himself who said that everybody knows the B5 is a C4 clone.

Alan posted in that thread and that is disappointing IMHO. A mistake like everybody makes every now and then.

Han,

I have said many times I made the statement that the B5 was a cloan of the C4. Now, let me help you undertand why I said that.

To me, GMC truck is a cloan of a Chevy Truck. Is it an exact cloan...No... Is it made by the same factory which is GMC...Yes! So they look like a cloan, but are a bit different.

I do not recall where I said the B5 was an "exact" cloan of the C4. The capsule is different as is some of the electronics, but simply by looking at them I would call it a cloan, just as I would call many of the Behringer products clones of other brands, but that does not mean they "are" identical. Perhaps the meaning of the word cloan was not the best to use, but it is associated with Behringer by many people and factories in my opinion.

I said I was dissapointed our factory took our design, made some changes and did the B5 for Behringer. In the end, they will never do it again. They were tempted by Behringer's big order and their promise to build more products with them...but that did not pan out, so now the factory understands a bit more about business in the free world...

It was a mistake on their part. Feilo, SoundKing, Takstar, Mansion, SE and others do this all day long. They build the same mic with a different brand on it. 797 will no longer do this. You can not get a mic built by them. I think now SE has decided to do the same and not build for anyone anymore, but only they know for sure.

I do not know why this issue is such a big deal. I did not deny I said that, but DJL and what now seems to be you, has hyped it to no end saying I claim it "is" the same mic. All I said was it is a cloan, a look a-like. That was my meaning.

This is the problem with typing words, they get misunderstood. I type words with one meaning, and a couple others take it differently. Most understand my meaning, and if DJL had been nice about it, and simply asked me about my statement so he would not be confused, I would have replied. I did not delete that post, someone else did. Unfortunately, DJL turned it into another attacking rant until I finally struck back to defend myself.

It seems this is an issue for you, but at least you do not attack people. IN the future, please ask me directly so I can explain to you what my intended meaning was. Doing so will avoid a lot of mess.

I hope this puts to bed this issue for you Han...

 

[junplugged]

The one think I keep thinking about is how people tend to take contrary statements as well as their own statements so seriously. In that, I mean that when I read stuff, I don't automatically believe it. So for people to have to "set the record straight" or 'get the truth out,' is really a waste of time because I doubt that even the newest newbie knows to do his own due diligence and research for his own facts. It gets to be a little insulting to the readers' intelligence to see that others believe they must defend their truth and honor, in order to set the record straight for the rest of us. We don't care. We don't read everything. We appreciate all opinions, even and especially contradictory ones.

I really like and learn the most from the rants and raves. Rants and raves have a philisophical viewpoint behind them and they go deeper than the simple, "I like this mic" statement. To tell you all the truth, for me, I probably learned more about those 2 companies and their mics than if there was no conflict here. I don't have a problem reading people getting passionate about their gear, it gets them to write more, and that makes me more informed. Personal attacts happen, but you know, I never read any posts (and I say again I didn't read everything) that called anyone names, or got very personal. IMHO.

So call me odd, but I really don't see that much of a problem. Can we get back to the mics now?

 

[crazydoc]

The new DJL

Ok, I'm back for a quick comment... please put and end to all this crap on the mic forum. I'm not going to waste my time defending my opinions, comments, and etc... nor have I, or will I post on this forum using any other handle other than DJL. I have put a handfull of people on my ignore list for the sole reason of avoiding conflicts. I will stick to facts (and back them up with proof) and if and when I disagree I'll try to do it in a professional manner, and I suggest you all do the same.

IMO, it's time for everyone on this mic forum to put their focus on talking about mics and not all this BS... and then those who just want post flames and try to discredit others will have too find another place to play.

With that said, I will NOT post to this thread again... period.

Hey DJ, welcome back! That sounds like excellent advice for all of us. I'll try to do the same (though I'm sure I'll fail at times).

Maybe somebody could quote me on this so DJ can see it, as I'm sure I'm on his ignore list.

 

[Treeline]

Hey DJ, welcome back! That sounds like excellent advice for all of us. I'll try to do the same (though I'm sure I'll fail at times).

Maybe somebody could quote me on this so DJ can see it, as I'm sure I'm on his ignore list.

I will, too.


Now somebody needs to quote this for the same reason....

 

[Han]

"I hope this puts to bed this issue for you Han... "

No problemo Alan, let me explain how I feel about you: when Stephen passed you were a hero and you gained a whole lot of respect in my book.

But when I see you post how glad you are that you've put DJL on your ignore list, I can't believe this is the same person.

This is something I can't understand, this is a homerecording forum where many newbies and novice engineers come to learn. That's your market and I can understand why Don got so pissed about some of your posts, maybe he's obsessive about it, but a couple of times he sure had a point.

I have stated many times that your mics are a big bang for the buck, Don disagreed in a heated way with me, but we never got into flames. I don't have a problem with the guy, nor do I have any problem with you.

Actually I'm looking forward to meet you on an AES in the near future and have a zip on your health.

Let's talk about microphones now okay?

Peace, Han

 

[crazydoc]

I will, too.


Now somebody needs to quote this for the same reason....

Thanks anyway, Treeline, but if you're on his ignore list too, that's not going to help.

 

[60's guy]

I will, too.


Now somebody needs to quote this for the same reason....

Allow me Treeline to quote you.

I come hear to read and learn daily. Slowly. but surely, I add to my arsenal of mics based on some of what I read and the opinions of others. It remains to be said though that the purchase choices I make are my own and if I end up being dissapointed I have no one to blame but myself. As has been stated thousands of times...there is not one mic (regardless of where it's made or by whom) that is the all purpose do it all mic.

All these personal conflicts seeping into these threads are I suppose...unavoidable. Personally...I could care less where or by whom the mics I purchase are manufactured. And if I should buy a clone...who cares?

 

[Gidge]

I think you should have a responsibility for decerning what we mean. If you, Han, and DJL were not clear, then ask. No one else seemed to be unclear, so the majority either understood what I said, or asked me to clarify.

Perhaps my meaning was not totally understood by you, but then if it was not, you should have afforded me or Justin to clarify exactly what we meant instead of bashing or making accusations. In the end, this is all about different opinions.

ok, im not clear

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=122277

 

[capnreverb]

What microphones are best at recording the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.............................................
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...........................................Also, I need a microphone that will both beat a dead horse and record the beating at the same time.

 

[Henri Devill]

What microphones are best at recording the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over
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................................................................Also, I need a microphone that will both beat a dead horse and record the beating at the same time.

..Nicely done