crazydoc
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I know - many of them are much more valuable.Gidge said:
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Harvey Gerst
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If you're the designer, in many ways it DOES compare.Gidge said:
It starts as a concept.
It takes shape and you watch and help its development.
At some point, it's ready to go out on its own and stand or fall on its own merits.
You hope it will reflect well upon you, since it bears your name.
Over a period of time, you have a large investment in it, both financialy and emotionaly.
I have the same affection for the old JBL speakers and various amplifiers I've designed over the years for different companies - they're "my children" or "my babies" in many ways. You tend to be quite defensive when you feel they're unfairly attacked.
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Han
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That's a good analogy Harvey, designs are kind of babies to the designer, I like that.
I'm not defending DJL here, but any studio engineer has to deal with individuals who are completely freaked out, totally mad, almost insane, have a giant ego, have none social skills whatsoever or even worse. And this happens a couple of times each year.
Compared to these morons, DJL is just a sweety.
But you have to get along with them for a period of time and that makes you resistent over the years.
Yep, I kind of like DJL and I would like him to stay here, but to stop with his rants towards Alan and some other people.
I know DJL is still reading every post about him so Don, cut the crap and stay bro.
Alan is okay and he makes fine mics, bury that axe for good man!
I'm not defending DJL here, but any studio engineer has to deal with individuals who are completely freaked out, totally mad, almost insane, have a giant ego, have none social skills whatsoever or even worse. And this happens a couple of times each year.
Compared to these morons, DJL is just a sweety.
But you have to get along with them for a period of time and that makes you resistent over the years.
Yep, I kind of like DJL and I would like him to stay here, but to stop with his rants towards Alan and some other people.
I know DJL is still reading every post about him so Don, cut the crap and stay bro.
Alan is okay and he makes fine mics, bury that axe for good man!
ausrock
Well-known member
QUOTE............."If you have a dog that bites you in the ass for no apparent reason every time you turn your back, you finally turn around and kick the fucking dog."
And eventually if that doesn't teach it not to bite..............it either has to find a new home or be put down.
And eventually if that doesn't teach it not to bite..............it either has to find a new home or be put down.
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ozraves
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DJL--
Go write a new song, record it and do something positive rather than hang out and talk about gear all the time. Gear talk is nice but it's not making music. Take a break and enjoy life.
Go write a new song, record it and do something positive rather than hang out and talk about gear all the time. Gear talk is nice but it's not making music. Take a break and enjoy life.
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xstatic
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Well, I guess my opinion is kind of harsh. I don't care one bit whether DJL (or anyone else for that matter) stays or goes. People do what people do. It's not that I want people (even DJL for that matter) to go, but my life will go on. DJL has however lost all credibility in my eyes though. Based on his series of misaligned rants, how could I or why should I listen to anything else he has to say? I believe that a persons actions speak loudly about who and what they are. Thats not to say that things can't change, but from what DJL has shown me, I won't take anything he says seriously. Even if he was right concerning this whole anti-Alan thing. In my opinion he went about it in the wrong way. Not just once though, but over and over and over. As a result, it takes way too much energy for me to try and decipher if he is just talking shit, or truly has something to offer. If he really does have something to offer, then thats a bummer because his other actions will stop me from seeing it. If he truly truly believes what he is saying, then I respect that. But some sort of tact would be nice. Sadly, my opinion of Alan wasn't helped by all the bickering either. I feel like he has kind of stooped to DJL's level in this whole game. The sad thing about that is that DJL can claim that as a victory. I do however agree with Harvey about the whole designer/baby analogy, but once again, a little tact is necessary.
So, DJL, if you are reading, whether you stay or go, good luck with whatever your endeavours may be. If you do decide to stay, I would love to see you convince me that what you have to say is worthwhile
BTW....That last statment was sincere and not sarcastic. I really don't mind at all being proved wrong. As long as its for the better. I am a frim believer that we learn more from our mistakes than our successes.
So, DJL, if you are reading, whether you stay or go, good luck with whatever your endeavours may be. If you do decide to stay, I would love to see you convince me that what you have to say is worthwhile
BTW....That last statment was sincere and not sarcastic. I really don't mind at all being proved wrong. As long as its for the better. I am a frim believer that we learn more from our mistakes than our successes.
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xstatic
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Also, sorry to all about all the constant dislexic typos in my posts. I barely have time to read and make posts, mucjh less to go back and edit them
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arcanemethods
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ausrock said:QUOTE............."If an entire community rejects your behavior, maybe the problem is not with the community."
Thank You.................that is exactly the point.
Unfortunately some people appear to have short memories in regard to the past issues that have brought us to this point.
And it isn't just Alan or PMI. He has other obsessions, one of which seems to encompass an entire nation.
Bob
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YuriK
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At the cost of being flamed, banned ...
A lot of the stuff DJL wrote about PMI and their products was true. Obcessive the posts were, but they had a lot of truth to them. PMI's claims about the quality and "designs" of their microphones certainly wildly exagurated. We have lots of vintage and modern high-end products here as well as SP and believe me the mikes are not much different from any other generic Chinese mike.
However commercial sensitivities took over and resulted in a flame war which involved PMI and many others (even Harvey got on the act). In my opinion DJL had to DEFEND his position. This forum may hold PMI as a religion but the prosecution of someone expressing an opinion, however stron it may have been, is shamefull.
Yuri
A lot of the stuff DJL wrote about PMI and their products was true. Obcessive the posts were, but they had a lot of truth to them. PMI's claims about the quality and "designs" of their microphones certainly wildly exagurated. We have lots of vintage and modern high-end products here as well as SP and believe me the mikes are not much different from any other generic Chinese mike.
However commercial sensitivities took over and resulted in a flame war which involved PMI and many others (even Harvey got on the act). In my opinion DJL had to DEFEND his position. This forum may hold PMI as a religion but the prosecution of someone expressing an opinion, however stron it may have been, is shamefull.
Yuri
Treeline
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YuriK said:
I don't think it was a matter of position; it was a matter of conduct.
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YuriK
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Disagreeing with a whole lot of ass-lickers is conduct? Where is the judge/jury and executioner then? Trying to make a bunch of people with no experince not to be swayed by commercial bullshit is conduct?
Yuri
Yuri
Treeline
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Welcome back, DJL.
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YuriK
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I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not DJL (wrong contry, continent...). I'm just stating my observations.
Yuri
Yuri
ausrock
Well-known member
YuriK,
It has been stated numerous times that the issues surrounding DJL weren't about him having or voicing an opinion, but generally about the manner in which he went about voicing that opinion................at times it appeared that some people had trouble grasping that fact.
You have voiced your opinion which you are entitled to do.
Now to the first part of your post..............
QUOTE............"PMI's claims about the quality and "designs" of their microphones certainly wildly exagurated. "
Please qualify this statement. Tell us what qualifies you to have this opinion.
QUOTE............."We have lots of vintage and modern high-end products here........"
Where is "here", do you work in a studio that has a comprehensive mic locker which has allowed you such insight?
QUOTE.............."the mikes are not much different from any other generic Chinese mike."
Again, you may like to qualify this statement with some detail.
It has been stated numerous times that the issues surrounding DJL weren't about him having or voicing an opinion, but generally about the manner in which he went about voicing that opinion................at times it appeared that some people had trouble grasping that fact.
You have voiced your opinion which you are entitled to do.
Now to the first part of your post..............
QUOTE............"PMI's claims about the quality and "designs" of their microphones certainly wildly exagurated. "
Please qualify this statement. Tell us what qualifies you to have this opinion.
QUOTE............."We have lots of vintage and modern high-end products here........"
Where is "here", do you work in a studio that has a comprehensive mic locker which has allowed you such insight?
QUOTE.............."the mikes are not much different from any other generic Chinese mike."
Again, you may like to qualify this statement with some detail.
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YuriK
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Ausrock
I own a studio which has a small locker (~70 microphones.) We have Neuman, Brauner, blue, Gefell, soundelux, shoeps, octava, THE, Beyer, Shure, SP, Rode, EV AT and a few other brands. This allows me to compare them on various sources and come to certain conclusions.
Compared to other chinese mics, which we were honored to use the SP mics hade the same sort of characteristic, or signature. Thats just me and my associates (and some other egineers involved in some of our projects). Shure there are subtle differences, but the overall sound is "chinese mic". Not to say that it is bad, they are very usefull sometimes, as are RODE ....The quality of manufacture seems comparable too (its the price point, I guess)
Hope this gives you some info
regards...Yuri
PS. I do not want to offend SP owners or slander PMI's product. Not at all. What I find disappointing that in this day and age a voice of dissent is being put down, simply because of commercial considerations rather then real misbehavior. I believe DJL was trying to make a point, may be too forcefully, but a valid point nevertheless. He should not be prosecuted for that. This is shamefull
I own a studio which has a small locker (~70 microphones.) We have Neuman, Brauner, blue, Gefell, soundelux, shoeps, octava, THE, Beyer, Shure, SP, Rode, EV AT and a few other brands. This allows me to compare them on various sources and come to certain conclusions.
Compared to other chinese mics, which we were honored to use the SP mics hade the same sort of characteristic, or signature. Thats just me and my associates (and some other egineers involved in some of our projects). Shure there are subtle differences, but the overall sound is "chinese mic". Not to say that it is bad, they are very usefull sometimes, as are RODE ....The quality of manufacture seems comparable too (its the price point, I guess)
Hope this gives you some info
regards...Yuri
PS. I do not want to offend SP owners or slander PMI's product. Not at all. What I find disappointing that in this day and age a voice of dissent is being put down, simply because of commercial considerations rather then real misbehavior. I believe DJL was trying to make a point, may be too forcefully, but a valid point nevertheless. He should not be prosecuted for that. This is shamefull
ausrock
Well-known member
You obviously haven't been around here long enough.
BTW, what is the name of your studio?
BTW, what is the name of your studio?
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YuriK
New member
The Underground
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Harvey Gerst
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The fact that DJL had a dissenting view of the PMI mics has never been the problem here, AFAIK. The problem has been DJL's unsupported accusations and suppositions about these mics, presented as facts. His claims that the Behringer B5 and the PMI C4's were identical mics, the color dots were an indication of bad QC, and the list goes on and on. Even when Alan Hyatt recommends another brand of mic, DJL sees it as spam.
I have no problem with people saying they don't like this mic or that mic for a particular application, and yes, I agree that they're just a mic (well, the SP T3 is outstanding, IMHO), but DJL just keeps on pounding Alan and PMI, usually based on suppositions and on claims (that DJL makes) that are patently false.
Those are the main areas where I have problems with DJL. The Studio Project mics are decent mics for a fair price, and their service is outstanding. Are they the equivilant of a Neumann or a Brauner or a Schoeps? Of course not. Will they work better than a Neumann or a Brauner or a Schoeps for some specific applications? At times, yes.
They're not as great as Alan would have you believe, and they're not as bad as DJL would have you believe. They're simply decent mics at a fair price.
I have no problem with people saying they don't like this mic or that mic for a particular application, and yes, I agree that they're just a mic (well, the SP T3 is outstanding, IMHO), but DJL just keeps on pounding Alan and PMI, usually based on suppositions and on claims (that DJL makes) that are patently false.
Those are the main areas where I have problems with DJL. The Studio Project mics are decent mics for a fair price, and their service is outstanding. Are they the equivilant of a Neumann or a Brauner or a Schoeps? Of course not. Will they work better than a Neumann or a Brauner or a Schoeps for some specific applications? At times, yes.
They're not as great as Alan would have you believe, and they're not as bad as DJL would have you believe. They're simply decent mics at a fair price.
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Big Kenny
New member
And your point is..................
ausrock
Well-known member
BK,
I hope you're joking.
I find it interesting that a "relative" newcomer suddenly finds it necessary to enter into this thread with statements about DJL and SP that are questionable in themselves. He then lists a lavish and enviable mic collection for a studio (The Underground) which doesn't appear to be listed in either the online White or Yellow Pages and doesn't show up in an admittedly quick Google search.
I hope you're joking.
I find it interesting that a "relative" newcomer suddenly finds it necessary to enter into this thread with statements about DJL and SP that are questionable in themselves. He then lists a lavish and enviable mic collection for a studio (The Underground) which doesn't appear to be listed in either the online White or Yellow Pages and doesn't show up in an admittedly quick Google search.
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