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Hi 32-20, hope your Year has started well. I have pointed this out to him but it's kind of not worth the effort anymore, I really can't get a handle on how his brain works. The wheel is going round but the hamster's asleep, if you get my drift.

Hows that Uke coming on?
 
With respect, I've been to many third world countries, but saw more beggars in Santa Monica, CA than I did anywhere else in the world.


Well, you know, the weather is nice. If I had to be homeless I could do worse than Santa Monica/Pacific Palisades.
 
Jap is just for short and that is all.

Jap is short for Japanese as ****** is short for African. You save a few more letters, but the connotation is the same and as such it conveys a clear message beyond shorthand laziness.

Edit: Hey, look at that, it won't even let me type it to make an anti-racist point. In case anyone is confused (and it seems as though a few people in this thread might be) the word composed of "*" starts with an "N" and ends with an "igger".
 
Jap is short for Japanese as ****** is short for African. You save a few more letters, but the connotation is the same and as such it conveys a clear message beyond shorthand laziness.

Edit: Hey, look at that, it won't even let me type it to make an anti-racist point. In case anyone is confused (and it seems as though a few people in this thread might be) the word composed of "*" starts with an "N" and ends with an "igger".

Jap can in no way be equated with ******. We're straying off the point here, but one is a legitimate linguistic contraction (try saying that 3 times quickly :D), and the other is a historical term that has, for almost all of its duration as a widely recognized word, been used specifically to denegrate. Is the word Mexi offensive in the same context? "A mexi strat", for example. Thought not.

Also, Brit (shortened form British), and Scot (from Scottish) aren't racial slurs, yet they are abbreviated nationalitites, just like jap.
 
Hi 32-20, hope your Year has started well. I have pointed this out to him but it's kind of not worth the effort anymore, I really can't get a handle on how his brain works. The wheel is going round but the hamster's asleep, if you get my drift.

Hows that Uke coming on?

Hey Muttley, the new year is going great so far - hope yours is too. The uke is coming on very well. So far it has definitely turned out much neater than I had ever anticipated. The body is totally done, and I'm starting on the fretting soon.
 
Hey Muttley, the new year is going great so far - hope yours is too. The uke is coming on very well. So far it has definitely turned out much neater than I had ever anticipated. The body is totally done, and I'm starting on the fretting soon.
Way to go. We'll have you building archtops in no time at all. As I'm sure you know lutherie is quite the addictive job/hobby/pastime..:D

Looking forward to hearing some samples..
 
Way to go. We'll have you building archtops in no time at all. As I'm sure you know lutherie is quite the addictive job/hobby/pastime..:D

Looking forward to hearing some samples..

Archtops???!! Next project is yet to be decided - maybe a mandolin. And yep, it is definitely very addictive (and expensive).
 
Jap is short for Japanese as ****** is short for African. You save a few more letters, but the connotation is the same and as such it conveys a clear message beyond shorthand laziness.

Edit: Hey, look at that, it won't even let me type it to make an anti-racist point. In case anyone is confused (and it seems as though a few people in this thread might be) the word composed of "*" starts with an "N" and ends with an "igger".
Oh Please!!!! Jap IS short for Japanese..my god. If I had written you slant eyed, yellow skinned bastards then yes, that of course would be nasty ( and that was written just to prove a point my Japanese friends ,which I DO have, as well as my daughter also)and racist but shit, get your head out of your PC correct ass. Many people HERE write Jap, Mex or whatever. It's just a short term.
 
Hey Muttley, the new year is going great so far - hope yours is too. The uke is coming on very well. So far it has definitely turned out much neater than I had ever anticipated. The body is totally done, and I'm starting on the fretting soon.

Sounds like its coming together very well, did you just give it a clear coat or did you give it a more special finish?
 
Sounds like its coming together very well, did you just give it a clear coat or did you give it a more special finish?

Haven't gotten to the finishing yet, but I believe I will be going for Tru-oil. It's another part of the process that makes me nervous just thinking about it. I have to work up some confidence, and get some advice, before I start.
 
Haven't gotten to the finishing yet, but I believe I will be going for Tru-oil. It's another part of the process that makes me nervous just thinking about it. I have to work up some confidence, and get some advice, before I start.

Like I said a while ago when and if you want a reliable and easy process laid out just ask. Tru Oil is great for that project and you can get great results with minimal outlay.

Some things you might want to get before hand. Some Abralon finishing pads in grits #500, 1000 2000 and maybe 40000. There is an ebay seller that will sell you mixed packs if you contact them. I buy them in boxes of 10 but you only need a couple of each. They are cheap and last for ages. Do an ebay search for seller oaktoash and contact him.

Get some dewaxed pale shellac flakes. The off the shelf French polish will do in a pinch as it's for sealing base coat only.

Tru Oil of course. Have you got some? What you going to grain fill the mahogany with? That will be you biggest task. Your going to spend a lot of time on prep and sanding before you do any finishing so you'll need the above.
 
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Like I said a while ago when you if a reliable and easy process laid out just ask. Tru Oil is great for that project and you can get great results with minimal outlay.

Some things you might want to get before hand. Some Abralon finishing pads in grits #500, 1000 2000 and maybe 40000. There is an ebay seller that will sell you mixed packs if you contact them. I buy them in boxes of 10 but you only need a couple of each. They are cheap and last for ages. Do an ebay search for seller oaktoash and contact him.

Get some dewaxed pale shellac flakes. The off the shelf French polish will do in a pinch as it's for sealing base coat only.

Tru Oil of course. Have you got some? What you going to grain fill the mahogany with? That will be you biggest task. Your going to spend a lot of time on prep and sanding before you do any finishing so you'll need the above.


Thanks for the advice. Yep, I will be contacting you when it comes to the finishing stage, but I'll get those supplies beforehand. I have a bottle of the off the shelf French Polish stuff (it was for a previous project). I haven't got Tru-Oil yet (I'm buying supplies as I need them - not ideal, I know), but there's a seller in England that I have already sussed out. Not sure what to grain fill with - I was going to ask you when the time came.

I'm amazed how little of this stuff is available in Ireland. It took a lot of searching before I could even find sandpaper finer than 150 grit. There's a specialist woodworking shop nearby, but even they don't have stuff like Tru-Oil, or the finishing pads (I just rang them).

Regarding the grain fill - the grain in the mahogany that came with the kit is quite close. Much tighter than other mahogany I have seen. I presume this will influence the choice of grain filler?
 
Thanks for the advice. Yep, I will be contacting you when it comes to the finishing stage, but I'll get those supplies beforehand. I have a bottle of the off the shelf French Polish stuff (it was for a previous project). I haven't got Tru-Oil yet (I'm buying supplies as I need them - not ideal, I know), but there's a seller in England that I have already sussed out. Not sure what to grain fill with - I was going to ask you when the time came.

I'm amazed how little of this stuff is available in Ireland. It took a lot of searching before I could even find sandpaper finer than 150 grit. There's a specialist woodworking shop nearby, but even they don't have stuff like Tru-Oil, or the finishing pads (I just rang them).

Regarding the grain fill - the grain in the mahogany that came with the kit is quite close. Much tighter than other mahogany I have seen. I presume this will influence the choice of grain filler?

I think it might be an idea if we take this to another thread. Start one up and we'll take it from there.

If you have any problems getting supplies of anything let me know. I have plenty of contacts here in the UK that will ship quickly to Ireland. For tru Oil you might want to try hunting, shooting and gun stock shops and outlets. It was designed as a gunstock finish and is marketed by Birchwood Casey who are in the States. If you get really stuck I can get some to you.

I'll lay out a process including grain filling options in a new thread when you haver time to discuss. Good luck.
 
I think it might be an idea if we take this to another thread. Start one up and we'll take it from there.

If you have any problems getting supplies of anything let me know. I have plenty of contacts here in the UK that will ship quickly to Ireland. For tru Oil you might want to try hunting, shooting and gun stock shops and outlets. It was designed as a gunstock finish and is marketed by Birchwood Casey who are in the States. If you get really stuck I can get some to you.

I'll lay out a process including grain filling options in a new thread when you haver time to discuss. Good luck.

Cool, I'll start a new thread. Thanks a million for the help.
 
Jap can in no way be equated with ******. We're straying off the point here, but one is a legitimate linguistic contraction (try saying that 3 times quickly :D)....

Technically speaking, the N-word is just a sloppy linguistic mispronunciation of the word "negro", which, though it has largely fallen out of use, was still the anthropological name of the race in question, last I checked. That doesn't mean the term isn't offensive.

Judging by this thread, some people are also obviously offended by shortening the word "Japanese" in the way you did. Therefore, it would be wise to be conscious of that.

BTW, it's "denigrate". Etymologically speaking, you can probably guess where the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth letters came from, and you'd be right.
 
Technically speaking, the N-word is just a sloppy linguistic mispronunciation of the word "negro", which, though it has largely fallen out of use, was still the anthropological name of the race in question, last I checked. That doesn't mean the term isn't offensive.

Judging by this thread, some people are also obviously offended by shortening the word "Japanese" in the way you did. Therefore, it would be wise to be conscious of that.

BTW, it's "denigrate". Etymologically speaking, you can probably guess where the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth letters came from, and you'd be right.

Jap as a descriptive term has never had anymore of a derogative intent than Brit, Scot, Ozzie, or many other shortening of the country of origin. At least not here in the UK. I doubt it is any different in the US or elsewhere. The terms describe a place of origin and not an "anthropological name of the race in question" which IS, HAS been or WAS used in a derogative way. Do we exclude the term German from our lexicon because that is an abbreviation of the country of origin? If I chose to be offensive to a Japanese national, which I wouldn't, there are other terms which are far more commonly used for that purpose. As a Brit I have no problem being referred to as such, I haven't as yet met a Japanese individual that has expressed a dislike of the generic term Jap. That is and always will be my measure of whether or not it is appropriate to use a term to describe someone. If they ask me not to I wont. If some politically correct nay sayer asks me not to it will count for nothing. If any Japanese people here want me to cease I would happily oblige with a sincere apology.
 
If I chose to be offensive to a Japanese national, which I wouldn't, there are other terms which are far more commonly used for that purpose. As a Brit I have no problem being referred to as such, I haven't as yet met a Japanese individual that has expressed a dislike of the generic term Jap.

Yeah - worse things, like "Jerkface"!

In regard to "Jap", I've heard it used in a derogatory way here in the US, but it seems to be all about the context and the inflection used in saying it. Much like "Jew", saying to someone "Hey Jew!" or "Hey, you Jap!" is probably taken in a negative way. But referring to the Jews as a race of people, seems to be okay. Doesn't work for "The Japs" since that form of the word is "The Japanese". But in shortening it to Jap, in line with other countries/origins that are shortened, seems fine.
 
Judging by this thread, some people are also obviously offended by shortening the word "Japanese" in the way you did. Therefore, it would be wise to be conscious of that..

I'll be conscious of it, yes. I most definitely won't stop using it, however, to refer to Japanese guitars.

Just for fun, though, say I write 'Jap.' The period indicates that it is a shortening of 'Japan', or 'Japanese'. Thus, in a list of abbreviated nationalities or nations, it would be reasonable to see something like:

Fr. (French)
Ger. (German)
Ir. (Irish)
Chi. (Chinese)
Jap. (Japanese)

With the period, then, it's presumably okay. Certainly, no rational person could argue against the word's use in this context. So are we honestly saying that something as inconsequential as the humble period (or 'full-stop' for us Brits and Irishmen) differentiates between an 'innocent' occurence of 'Jap' and a racist one?

Customer: "My good man, I would like to purchase a Jap. guitar"
Salesman: "My God, I have never heard such flagrant racism."
Customer: "You misunderstand me - there was a period after the 'Jap'; perhaps you didn't hear it."
Salesman: "My apologies, you're right, there was a period that my ear didn't quite catch. Allow me to show you to our collection of Japanese guitars."

BTW, it's "denigrate". Etymologically speaking, you can probably guess where the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth letters came from, and you'd be right.

You're quite right, I spelt the word incorrectly. However, I imagine it has a Latin origin, in which case it probably refers to 'black' only in the sense of 'blackening someone's name.' To imply a correlation, as you did, between the manner in which the negro race has been considered and the origin of the word 'denigrate' is etymologically fatuous, and, arguably, downright irresponsible.
 
With the period, then, it's presumably okay. Certainly, no rational person could argue against the word's use in this context. So are we honestly saying that something as inconsequential as the humble period (or 'full-stop' for us Brits and Irishmen) differentiates between an 'innocent' occurence of 'Jap' and a racist one?
Who you calling a Brit? :mad:




:D

You're quite right, I spelt the word incorrectly. However, I imagine it has a Latin origin, in which case it probably refers to 'black' only in the sense of 'blackening someone's name.' To imply a correlation, as you did, between the manner in which the negro race has been considered and the origin of the word 'denigrate' is etymologically fatuous, and, arguably, downright irresponsible.
If I remember from my long ago school days the Latin for Black is niger the masculine would be something like nigrum. I could be wrong but that would make sense when I see it applied to botanical names of timbers etc. And yes I agree to apply it in the terms described is fatuous. The origin of the word negro is I believe to be found in the Spanish and Portuguese derivative. I could be wrong again. Still it's hardly relevant and common sense and common decency would exclude me from using the term if at all possible because the very people at whom it is directed have specifically asked that I don't. I can live with that.
 
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