gettting new gear few questions.

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im considering buying a behringer EURORACK UB1202
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex_ub.cfm?id=UB1202&lang=eng

its about $189 CAD

anyone know if its anygood and if there is anything better in its price range?
what im trying to do is record vocal ,acoustic guitar, and electirc guitar, and bass

im going to do the drums in cubeb

will i beable to record one track and play it back through the headphones while im recording say the vocals ?

my pc setup is a p4 2gig 1 gig ram
audio card is going to be a MIDIMAN AUDIOPHILE 24/96
 
That is a good mixer for the price range, the parallel one in Mackie (VLZ-1202) is around $350 USD. So if you are looking around something less than $100 what you have selected in the best.
You will be able to record, and get feed back in your headphone if you route properly. Audio Phile 2496 is a very good card, so it wont be a problem for you to use it with Euro1202. Good Luck!
 
The card is a good choice, but I would take a Mackie over Behringer anyday !
 
is there a mackie in the same price range with same options? if so what model would you recomend? and what are the diff between the 2?
 
The pre amps are the biggest difference. The Behringer has some really strong good pre amps. It is the same that they use on there high end modles. I have seem other post that a lot of people have had Behringer products arrive to there doors DOA. To me that is somethng to be conserned about. The Mackies are also really really a good piece of equipment. I have read tons of good reviews on them.
 
mocharock said:
The Behringer has some really strong good pre amps.
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Since when??

It is the same that they use on there high end modles.
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Behringer makes "high end"??????????? That's news! :eek:


The Mackies are also really really a good piece of equipment. I have read tons of good reviews on them.
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Which mean nothing -- how do you "hear" a review?!?!

You've really got to try gear out for yourself, and not depend on reviews to make the decision for you.
 
Some Behringer clarification:

The MX series of mixers has the renowned "crappy" behringer preamps, the UB series has really nice preamps (seeing as they stole them from Mackie).

There is no comparable Mackie mixer in the same price range, this is like asking if you can get a comparable Lexus model in the same price range as the Kia you are looking at. Mackie and Neve are topline gear, they are indeed the best and kick total ass, Behringer is what people who can't afford Mackie and neve get. There is a real price difference, if you are poor, start saving and dreaming of a Mackie/Neve board, but for now buy a Behringer.

Especially if you are new to digital recording, the weak link in your audio chain for the next year or more is YOU, not your gear. If you already are skilled in recording, then it is probably worth waiting a while and buying better gear, because your gear will be the weak link in your chain.

With the UB1202 mixer, you are going to have issues with recording more than one track at a time with the 2496 card, although there are routing possibilities that will allow it, but the ideal sound quality routing (using the Aux sends) will only let you record in mono, which if you want to stereo mic an acoustic guitar, well, you can't unless you record out of the mains, which has issues with routing and signal strength (the mains have to be kept at a really low level, so your signal to noise ratio isn't ideal).

Go up one step to the UB1204 for another ~$50 canadian, and you will get two aux sends which let you record two tracks at once.
 
cstockdale said:

Especially if you are new to digital recording, the weak link in your audio chain for the next year or more is YOU, not your gear. If you already are skilled in recording, then it is probably worth waiting a while and buying better gear, because your gear will be the weak link in your chain.
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That Rocks!
 
I think too often we become gear freaks. I mean, i would love a Neve or a Mackie board, a 10-in 10-out audio card, a few different preamps, a couple of outboard compressors, good monitors, a collection of mics and guitar amps. Shit, i could record great music that way, but .....I can't afford it yet.

If you take all teh advice of some of the gear freaks (and some gear snobs), you would wait until you have saved $10 grand, and then buy your system, but wait....what if you are new to recording? Your stuff will still sound like shit because you know nothing about gain staging, compression, EQing, mixing, mastering, how to use MIDI etc.


OR

You buy a little Behringer board ($100), an Audiophile card ($150), a Shure sm58 ($100), an amp modeller (J-station, $150), a pair of AKG studio monitor headphones ($100), maybe an Evolution MK249C or an Oxygen 8 midi controller ($100-200) and for well under a grand you have all the necessary outboard gear to start recording stuff and learn how it all works: tracking, gain staging, recording digital, recording audio, MIDI, sequencing, compression, EQ, mixing, mastering....shit, that takes at least a year or two to really understand what you are trying to do in the first place then and only then do you really understand what the weak links are in your chain and what you want to buy and why, and how much you have to save to do it.

Plus, with those purchases above, every piece of that gear will still have a place in your regular arsenal of tools in the studio or live (except maybe for the cheapo mixer, but there are lots of places a little 6-in mixer comes in handy).

If I had listened to all the gear snobs first, I might be lucky to own a decent pair of monitors by now...and that is it.
 
i would like to thank all of you for your input on this :)
you all have been helpfull .

this is going to be a long road learning the 'ropes'
since i have very limited experience in this sort of thing

next week is payday im going to have about 1200$can to play with so i might not beable to get it all next week , i think i may have to upgrade the mixer to the UB1204 if its true i cant stereo mic
 
Mackie and Neve are topline gear, they are indeed the best and kick total ass, Behringer is what people who can't afford Mackie and neve get.
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Where's Blue Bear? Bruce? Bruce! Are you OK? Breathe now... c'mon... breathe.... somebody call 911...
 
I'm guessing a heart-attack! I'll pitch in for flowers to the 'ol bear... :(







LOL! :D
 
AlChuck said:
Where's Blue Bear? Bruce? Bruce! Are you OK? Breathe now... c'mon... breathe.... somebody call 911...
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maybe I have just fallen for the hype.... I live with Behringer, and don't think it is garbage, but I know that it is not the top end of the line....
 
cstockdale, I was talking not about the Behringer/Mackie comparison, but the Neve/Mackie comparison.

Mackies are more expensive than Behringers, but they are inexpensive, mass-produced mixers, not high-end gear at all, and definitely are not comparable to a Neve console.

That's what I thought would get Bruce's heart to stop...

P.S. I have a Behringer too, and it's perfectly adequate for my purposes, but I don't expect to be recording Sting or Stevie Wonder or anyone here with my little rig...
 
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