Another newbie "what should I get" question

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Hello all,

I'm looking for some suggestions as to what to buy etc on a tight budget.

Quick background: I'm an oldie at music in general with limited and mostly ancient experience in commercial studios from being in bands many years ago. I've dabbled a bit in a friends home studio quite recently and done a little recording at home with various bits of cheap kit, some of which I still have.

After a long pause I now need to get quickly back into basic recording. Two main reasons are:

1) I'm now playing in a 3 piece band and we need to quickly record a demo to help us get gigs. We don't need top quality, this is mostly for getting bar gigs and maybe put a few mp3's online. It's guitar bass drums vocals and I'll need to record at least the drums and bass and a click track at our rehearsal room so a fairly portable setup is important. I'd probably track guitars/vocals at home.

2) I've got a lot of songs that I've co-written that I'd like to record at home just for the sake of it really. I may put em online but I don't intend to sell them. I don't have the luxury of a "studio" room, this will be in a bedroom/office setup, i.e. recording in front of a computer and probably mixing with headphones (I know that's a bad idea but I have AKG K240DF headphones and no monitors). I may use a drum machine and/or my son on roland v-drums.

For recording guitar I think I have enough stuff, a nice tube amp, a few small amps, lots of effects pedals, a Vamp Pro I could use as preamp/cabsim. and of course guitars and basses.

I have an sm58 at home and various other mics at the rehearsal room. At home I also have a small mixer that I can carry around in a case. It's a Behringer UB 1222FX.

I also have the use of a (my sons) little digital recorder, a Tascam DP004 but this is not ideal for recording the band because it can only record 2 tracks at a time. I'd like to at least get drums n' bass down together and that's going to be impossible unless I record the drums as a mono mix.

I have a M-Audio 2496 audiophile pci card in my old broken computer but as far as I recall it's records 2 inputs max. I have an ancient version of Cakewalk.

So ideally I need a portable setup with at least 3/4 simultaneous inputs (I could take a stereo mix from the v-drums). I could use the UB1222 for mic pres, phantom and also monitoring, so line level inputs is fine. I dont need specific guitar inputs or any kind of modelling.

I have an old Toshiba Satellite A60 laptop with 1 usb2 port and I think 1 firewire?. It's a P4 3GHz with 1.2G of ram and a slow 40G internal disk.

Can you suggest an audio interface for my needs ? would I be able to use the Toshiba or is that out of the question? What would be a good choice to replace it (cheaply!).

Assuming I have to get a laptop, I don't want to spend more than about 700 euros total including the interface. Is that possible? After reading a few threads here I guess I'll try Reaper to do the tracking.

Thanks in advance for your advice.
 
You didn't mention the limits on budget. (or did you and I don't see it... )

Sounds like your laptop should work. I run with a P4 2.8ghz and have no problems. If you had an 8 input interface you can put 4 on drums, 1 DI for Bass, 1 mic for Guitar and 2 for vocals then record the band live.

http://www.sweetwater.com/c683--FireWire_Audio_Interfaces/low2high/pn1

Most interfaces come with a Lite version of a popular DAW. If not, you can download Reaper (google it) and pay something like $50 after the trial period.

You can use your 58 on vocals, a 57 on your guitar, DI the bass, but when you get to drums, I'm not sure what mics work. Other can help out, or search the forum. Lots o' answers here.

Welcome to the site.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. As I said, I could stretch the budget to about 700 euros for a laptop plus audio interface. For just an interface I was hoping that 200 would be enough for a minimum 4 line inputs. If pushed I could also bring guitar in on s/pdif from the Vamp.

The link you gave points to firewire gear. Is this preferred over usb2 or are they much the same? Do laptops generally have firewire interfaces these days?

Thanks again.
 
Firewire is widely preferred over USB. I would look for a used firepod or possibly a 8pre unit. Like Chilli suggested Reaper is a great program. I've recently switched to it form being on Sonar for years.
 
My obligatory standard reply-for-newbies that I keep in Wordpad:

First off, immediately get a good beginner recording book (spend $20 before spending hundred$/thousand$) that shows you what you need to get started and how to hook everything up in your studio:
Home Recording for Musicians by Jeff Strong - $15
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07...ce&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance
(Wish I'd had that when I started; would have saved me lots of money and time and grief)
You can also pick up this book in most any Borders or Barnes&Noble in the Music Books section!

Another good one is: Recording Guitar and Bass by Huw Price
http://www.amazon.com/Recording-Gui...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215734124&sr=1-1
(I got my copy at a place called Half-Price Books for $6!!)

And you can get a FREE subscription to TapeOp magazine at www.tapeop.com

Barnes&Noble or Borders are great places to start --- they have recording books and you can go get a snack or coffee and read them for FREE! Don't pass by a good recording book --- this is a VERY technical hobby and you REALLY want to start a reference library!!!

Good Newbie guides that also explains all the basics and have good tips:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/guide.htm
http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page/computermusic?entry=free_beginner_pdfs
http://www.harmony-central.com/articles/

21 Ways To Assemble a Recording Rig: http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm

Also Good Info: http://www.theprojectstudiohandbook.com/directory.htm

Other recording books: http://musicbooksplus.com/home-recording-c-31.html

Still using a built-in soundcard?? Unfortunately, those are made with less than $1 worth of chips for beeps, boops and light gaming (not to mention cheapness for the manufacturer) and NOT quality music production.
#1 Rule of Recording: You MUST replace the built-in soundcard.
Here's a good guide and suggestions: http://www.tweakheadz.com/soundcards_for_the_home_studio.htm


Plenty of software around to record for FREE to start out on:

Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net (multi-track with VST support)
Wavosaur: http://www.wavosaur.com/ (a stereo audio file editor with VST support)\
Kristal: http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/
Other freebies and shareware: www.hitsquad.com/smm

Another great option is REAPER at http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ (It's $50 but runs for free until you get guilty enough to pay for it...)
I use Reaper and highly reccomend it...

Music Notation and MIDI recording: Melody Assistant ($25) and Harmony Assistant ($80) have the power of $600 notation packages - http://myriad-online.com
Demo you can try on the website.

And you can go out to any Barnes&Noble or Borders and pick up "Computer Music" magazine - they have a full FREE studio suite in every issue's DVD, including sequencers, plugins and tons of audio samples. (November 2006 they gave away a full copy of SamplitudeV8SE worth $150, November 2007-on the racks Dec in the US- they gave away SamplitudeV9SE. It pays to watch 'em for giveaways...)
 
Well, after a few days reading and looking up specs and prices I'm beginning to think a portable MTR would better suit my needs than a PC plus audio interface. I like the idea of having an easy to transport and set up, dedicated all-in-one box that isn't going to get hijacked at the house or reconfigured like pc's always do.

So the next step is decide which one :o I suppose I'd like to record at least 4 simultaneous tracks. I'd need a relatively quick and easy way to get individual wav files to a computer and back again in case I need to any editing that the machine doesn't handle on it's own, but built-in mastering would also be nice.

The budget will be about the same, around 700 euros so I guess the choices are:

Korg D888
TASCAM 2488 NEO
ZOOM HD-16CD
YAMAHA AW1600 (more like 800 euros)

anything else I should consider? Any advice or opinions on which one?
 
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