Getting glossy doubled up vocals ???

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Track duplicating w/ chorus, delay, panning??


I want to get a really present doubled up vocal effect for choruses etc. Something that really stands out.


Would duplicating the section of the vocal track to another track and adding some delay to one of them do it?
 
Add a delay of about 30-50ms. That will give you 2 vocals.
 
There are many tricks to fattening a vocal track but most of them sound hokey.

I would do 1 of 2 things.

1) Record 2 seperate tracks in 2 takes.

2) Take the existing vocal. copy it onto a seperate track. Compress the snot out of one of them and add a little highs to brighten it and then mix them together.

I think one of these is your best bet. #2 is an old Motown trick from the seventies. Cool trick.
 
There are many ways to make the vocals upfront.
Doubling is one way only.

Since that is what you are looking for (a doubleing effect)
That is what I'll explain.

It is split into 4 groups.
1. A slapback - were you apply a delay using a single repeat.
Depending on the tempo you arrange the time of the slapback.
this is usualy up to 35ms's and panned center with the vocal.
The effect has a reverbtype kind of sound only cleaner.

2. A larger slapback that makes the vocals sound thick.
ranging from around 35-80'ms. Again both are panned center.
You slowly bring up the delayed track untill you get the sound you want.

3. Doubling effect - use a delay up to 35ms (or less). Pan the lead center but the delay, pan to a different side.
This will give a wide spread and a Stereo alike sound.

4. The triple stereo delay ! - send the lead to TWO delay units.
lead in center, One delay panned right using between 15-45ms delay and one delay panned left using a different amount of delay
also between 15-45ms.
Want even bigger ?!?!!?!? - pitch shift each delayed track by about 5-10 cents ( one +10 the other -10) making sure that the higher pitched track is not dominating the the panned side as well as making sure the shorter delayed track is not dominating as well ( you do this by muting the lead vocal and listening only to the delayed tracks and check out their pull...)

Of course you can simply sing it again.............
 
You'll have to play around and find what your ears like. I'm not to keen on the slap effect as it usually sounds to manufactured to me...no offense intended guys. It might be just what you are looking for or it may not be.

You decide.;)
 
one more way

record your vocal, copy it to another track, and move that track back slightly (on a computer I'm talking about here) till it has that slap back delay sound. The advantage of this approach is you don't need to feed the signal through a delay, you have two perfect copies to play with. You could pan one left and one right, or one center and one to either side. You could also make two copies instead of one, and do the triple stereo delay, keeping track 1 dead center, track two left and slight delay, track three right and a little more delay. Play with it till it sounds right. Then your computer crashes and you decide to become a monk in the mountains.

Oops, I need my coffee.:confused:
 
Why not just doubletrack your vocal? Record it again, if you cannot get it 100% in sync, do it 6 plus times, then pan and mix the results together.
 
by doubletracking it by actually recording it rather than sending it to a delay, you can get that almost chorus'd side-effect which can sound great. there are a million and one ways for upfront vocals!
 
I guess this sort of goes along the line of doubled vocals:

There's the trick of singing into one mic and then putting one on the other side of the room. I liked some things about it though it sounds kind of wierd (maybe some phase cancellations?)

Also if you record different takes of your voice, try singing them at different distances from the mic. I've never tried this, but I read it in a book somewhere.
 
You can certainly do that, but you have to be very careful not to incur phase cancellation
 
If you want to have something that sounds professional, you can't fake it. Just record it twice and process them correctly. It is a lot of work but it is definitely worth the effort.
 
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