FxDelay left and right ....

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Someone mentioned that you can have your audio track panned to the left and the delay to the right making the vocal thicker. I try to use Cakewalk's FxDelay (delay left & right etc.) but am unable to achieve that. I can have some echo type effects but the audio just doesn't give me the stereo effect. The sound just come from where ever I set the pan position to be. Do I have to record the audio in Stereo first?
 
What I do is clone the track and then drag the right hand track a few milliseconds. It definitely thickens vocals. And its great with guitars, especially solo acoustic geetars;)
 
What you basically need to do is to first track in mono. Then you need to manually set the track to stereo (check the track-field). Then the source will be mono, but it will playback in stereo letting stereo-effects playback in stereo. :)
 
I knew something like that needs to be done. :D
I'll give it a try. Thanks a lot, moskus.

I also appreciate Paul's clone advice.
 
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Is there some way (I could swear I read about it once) to have more control over the drag? Something like hold down some key while using arrow keys to move in small increments? Or am I all hyped up on goofballs?

Thanks,
-Jeff
 
No, there is no way to do that while draging the clips :)

But there's a trick to do it. First, turn off "Snap to Grid" (key N) in track view. Select the clip, Press Ctrl and <-- or --> to zoom. By zooming the clip wider, you can drag-and-drop in more precission. Use the mouse to drag the clip.
Or...

Select the clip, right click, Clip Properties... and put a new start value in the field. Click Ok. That's it... precission :)


4ever, There's also a trick to make the sound more "full". Record a track mono. Clone so you have now two identical audio track. Click Process --> Audio effects --> Cakewalk --> Time / Pitch scretch. You only have to decrease the pitch by -0.20 applied to the second track. Done ? Good... now play 'em both :) Wiiide...

That's cool, but I need wider, Jaymz :)

Pan them hard L & Hard R.

Okay... but I said I realy need it wider and fatter, Jaymz :)

Okay... clone the original track once again. So you have total three track. Let the first track alone, centered. The second is decreased -0.20 pitch. Pan it hard left. Third track is increased +0.20 pitch. Pan it hard right. Adjust the second & third volume level compared to the first track. Play 'em together :)

FYI, small amount of altered pitch won't screw the sound, instead, it gives you "fat" sound effect (chorusing). Combined with delay effect Paul mentioned, you'll get the ticket to next Grammy award for wider & fatter record :D

Hope it helps
;)
Jaymz
 
...Aah, I forgot the picture :)

;)
Jaymz
 

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James, I will mention your name when I collect my award. :D
Thanks man.
 
or you could just open a simple delay effect plugin and make one site delayed by like 10 ms and make the signal completely wet. what type of music are you playing? I'd say to double tracks by playing them a second time. It sounds much better and then you don't have to delay. Just make sure you know your songs and can play them the same time twice
 
Jaymez, you are the god of Sonar! I tried your suggestion on an acoustic guitar track, cloned it twice (making three in total, panned left, right and centre) and then allied + and - 0.2 pitch change. Sounded fantastic. Used with a VST comb filter, it was even better.:D With delay as well, it was out of this world. Well, a long way from the original simple acoustic geetar, anyway.

Cakewalk should pay you and Dachaytnr to go out on a promo tour:D
 
Paul881 said:
Jaymez, you are the god of Sonar!
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Naaaw, he was just lucky! :D


Seriously, James will beat all of us in Sonar-knowledge. Except Dachay! ;)
 
How do you set the track to stereo manually? :o

moskus said:
What you basically need to do is to first track in mono. Then you need to manually set the track to stereo (check the track-field). Then the source will be mono, but it will playback in stereo letting stereo-effects playback in stereo. :)
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That's awesome, james :) thank's for the trick.
How do you set the track to stereo manually?
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if we play mono track centered, and put stereo plugin in the field, was it what you assumed "stereo" ? :)
 
4ever said:
How do you set the track to stereo manually? :o
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Go to the FX tab in Track View, and look at the bottom of the Aux Busses. You will see a little box with a speaker icon in it. If the box has an "A" in it (the default) the track is set to Automatic and it will play back mono or stereo depending on the data that is in the Track. However, if you click inside the box, you can force it to play mono, or click again to force it to stereo, regardless of what data is in the track.

This is handy on the VMains if you want to test your mix in Mono (although the Icon is located in a different place (All tab or Mix tab to the right of the Pan slider).



See, Clemie, sometimes we actually talk Cakewalk here. :)
 
Dachaytnr and Jaymez, two Gods of Sonar on one thread. Indeed, we are blessed:D

I have never used a V.Main yet on any project:eek: :o Nor Automation:o :o <hangs head in shame and shuffles stage right>
 
Paul881 said:
I have never used a V.Main yet on any project
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:confused: :confused: :confused:

Paul, it must be the new job. Are you learning management-speak or something?

You HAVE to use a VMain on every project. That's where your tracks get summed and played back. Generally this is what is called the Main Out on an analog mixer. Sonar calls them Virtual Mains (VMains) because you can "assign" them to different hardware. For ex., if you had two sound cards installed (or one sound card with multple outputs), VMain A could be routed to 1/2 on Sound Card #1, or changed to 3/4 on Sound Card #1, or routed to 1/2 on Sound Card #2.

Maybe what you meant is you've never used more than one VMain on a particular project??
 
dachay2tnr said:
Go to the FX tab in Track View, and look at the bottom of the Aux Busses. You will see a little box with a speaker icon in it. If the box has an "A" in it (the default) the track is set to Automatic and it will play back mono or stereo depending on the data that is in the Track. However, if you click inside the box, you can force it to play mono, or click again to force it to stereo, regardless of what data is in the track.

This is handy on the VMains if you want to test your mix in Mono (although the Icon is located in a different place (All tab or Mix tab to the right of the Pan slider).
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I nominate this one for "Tip of the Week".
:)
Wayne
 
mixsit said:
I nominate this one for "Tip of the Week".
:)
Wayne
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Hey, alright! What do I win??


First one who says music lessons gets smacked. :D
 
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