freakin' Wharfedales...

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SonicAlbert said:
zed32, Mackie HR824's are being blown out right now for around $1,000 a pair. If you are in the $800-1,200 range you can consider these. I have a pair and I like them very much. They are in a whole differnet league than what you've been using.

I have some friends that use the Event ASP8's and they love them.

I think the Dynauiod BM5A's might a be a little small unless you are planning to use a sub with them.

Now you are getting into the right budget for a decent pair of monitors! Good luck with your search.


yeah i saw the recent price drop on those Mackies...i'm gonna have to try everything out this weekend and see if anything really says "take me home NOW!"

i actually just scored a pair of KRK ST-6 passives today. gonna give those a try just for the hell of it, i could always resell for them for what i paid if they suck.
 
I highly recommend buying speakers new, not used. There are a few items that I simply never buy used, and monitors are one of them.
 
SonicAlbert said:
I highly recommend buying speakers new, not used. There are a few items that I simply never buy used, and monitors are one of them.


yeah but i mean for as cheap as i got them, it's not like i'm gonna lose my ass over it. :D for the $1000 range monitors, i'm definitely not gonna go used though, :eek:

i already have a power amp sitting around, so i figure i'd just get a cheap pair of passives, if not just for a 2nd reference. if i dont like em i can always unload them on some other unsuspecting victim...i mean buyer. :cool:


i know from a financial standpoint, i probably should hold on to the Wharfedales or at least give them a chance to compete for the job, but i don't have that kind of patience. if they would have lasted a couple weeks before popping, i could have probably had a better idea of whether or not i really need an immediate upgrade...
 
Yes, if you already have the power amp you might as well get an inexpensive pair of passives. I prefer 4" speakers for my second set because that is closer in size to most boom boxes. But 6" woofers should give you enough difference from the 8" that you are about to buy.
 
here's a snapshot from the infamous Let Me See your studio...

nice dual set setup setting, sound source/speakers stacked.

I like this idea. I think the one set of small "studio" monitors is missing the point.

it's HR...so you have mini-mixing speakers, flat response tracking, and Tower Hifi mastering ...covering all the angles beautiful escapism monitors.

so you really need 3 sets of speakers minimum. :D
 

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i got an email today saying that they were gonna ship me a replacement speaker today, but then they emailed me again and said "oops we forgot to ask for your serial #". damn! one more day of delay, if only i was at home right now i could have given it to them! oh well...

kind of surprising that they want to send me a whole entire speaker unit instead of just the tweeter, but maybe they don't want the thing to be user-serviceable?
 
i suggest you put your wallet down until you get the new speaker in. i'm guessing you bought these 2nd hand since you never mention contacting your dealer? you have to know that there are risks involved with buying things used. the fact that wharfedale is sending you a replacement speaker should make you more comfortable working with them rather then the other way around.
 
pianosaur said:
i suggest you put your wallet down until you get the new speaker in. i'm guessing you bought these 2nd hand since you never mention contacting your dealer? you have to know that there are risks involved with buying things used. the fact that wharfedale is sending you a replacement speaker should make you more comfortable working with them rather then the other way around.


i bought them brand new from Front End Audio. i contacted them first, the customer service from the guys at Front End was awesome. i do appreciate the fact that Wharfedale made things pretty easy, and i truly respect that from a company, but that's not gonna make me love these speakers if they don't sound very good. but once i get some time in front of them to really listen, i'll make my final decision.
 
these passive KRK monitors that i got are actually pretty nice! the bass response KILLS the Wharfedales with the same size woofer. the highs seem a bit muffled, however. i haven't had time to really listen to them yet, just plugged them in and played a couple songs through them on my crappy home stereo to make sure they work. gonna hook em up to the Crest amp tomorrow and see what they can really do. ;)
 
Are the highs muffled or are you just used to highs that are hyped?
 
SonicAlbert said:
Are the highs muffled or are you just used to highs that are hyped?


i don't know yet, i gotta hook em up to my real amp tonight and give em a good listen. :cool:


my replacement from Wharfedale is due to arrive on tuesday, it might be wierd having one speaker that's broken in and one thats completely green. :o
 
zed32 said:
my replacement from Wharfedale is due to arrive on tuesday, it might be wierd having one speaker that's broken in and one thats completely green. :o

i wouldn't worry about one breaking in too quick.
 
well i got my replacement speaker last night. it definitely sounds different than the one i've had for a few weeks already. but that's how i remember the other one sounding when i first took it out of the box (mostly the lows don't sound as "rounded" or full", overall sound lacking depth). it should mellow out and match my other one eventually.

i'm still not sure if i like the Wharfedales over the ST6...i did one quick mix on the ST6 that translated very very well, especially considering it was my first time working on them. I have yet to really start and finish a mix on the Wharfedales to see how they might translate...



i guess i'm holding off on breaking the bank for some more expensive monitors for now, i'm not so sure that i really really need them at this point. :o
 
A guy brought over a Vox AC30 yesterday and I was poking around and noticed the speakers are made by wharfedale. Interesting...
 
Zed, the Wharf's are what they are. So are Yamaha NS-10s. You will find lovers of both and haters of both. What it comes down to can you create a mix that translates to everyones car stereo, boom box, home stereo, I-Pod, and computer speakers. I mean that is the goal of creating the perfect mix right? Ok so nothing is perfect, some might say the Wharf's are a less perfect tool then monitors B, but remember its not really how they sound to you right now, its how your mixes sound out in the real world. If you don't get mixes translating like you want them to in the next 3 months, its maybe past time for you to get new monitors. But for now give them a whirl, mine are still whirling away till I can afford something that is a forsuredly better tool. What that may be, I can only guess now, cause the proof as they say is in the pudding.
 
zed, i can tell you that my slm1s translate much better for me than my wharfs did. it's all subjective and all that jazz i know. i suggest that you get to mixing and find out sooner rather than later.
 
TravisinFlorida said:
zed, i can tell you that my slm1s translate much better for me than my wharfs did. it's all subjective and all that jazz i know. i suggest that you get to mixing and find out sooner rather than later.



yeah, i found myself able to make a mix that translated effortlessly on the ST6, and on the Wharfedales, i find myself instinctively wanting to double-check every time. i want to give them a more thorough test, so i'm gonna work with the Wharfedales exclusively for my next project.

i'm really surprised with the KRK passives, especially considering the super cheap price i got them for. if all else fails, at least i know that they are something usable that i can fall back on. that first mix could have just been a fluke after all. :o

the amp i have running the KRK is pretty decent i suppose. it's a Crest Audio CKS200, i was never able to find much info on it, but i scored it for $100. i just figured Crest is a pretty good company, so it's gotta be better than a Samson or some shit. 100W per channel at 8ohms, just what i need. :cool:
 
monitor showdown at the studio!

so tonight i rigged up both sets of speakers and did a head-to-head A/B comparison between the Wharfedale 8.2 and the KRK ST6. the results? i'm not so sure....


the very first thing i noticed when comparing them directly is that the stereo imaging on the ST6 seems WAY better. at first i thought maybe i was having some type of phase problem, but really the KRKs were putting me IN the music, tremendous depth. i don't know if it's because of the amp or the speakers, but compared to the Wharfedales, i can hear things i didn't realize were there in some of my reference material, the panning became much more obvious. the ST6 also seemed "easier" to listen to, the highs and high mids seem a bit smoother, and when switching back to the Wharfedales, i could tell that they did seem a bit fatiguing to my ears compared to the KRKs.

my earlier statement that the KRKs have better bass response was just based upon testing the KRKs for a brief moment on my home stereo to make sure they worked OK. turns out my home stereo probably just had hyped bass. in direct comparison, the low end on both speakers seemed pretty similar, with the ST6 maybe being slightly more defined, and the 8.2s being a bit boomier.

the KRKs i think could use a bit more focus in the highs, but to me i found them much easier to listen to than the Wharfedales. but does that make them more accurate? damned if i know! but i get the feeling i could sit in front of these things for hours and probably not get my ears worn out too quickly.

even without the crystal clear highs, i could hear very intricate details on the ST6, such as body noise from an acoustic guitar recording, stuff that wasn't entirely apparent to me before. i'd classify the overall sound as being smooth, with the 8.2s seeming to have a "bump" somewhere in the mids (couldn't tell you exactly where) in comparison. also, the ST6 sounded better at lower volumes compared to the 8.2s, but at higher volumes they're comparable.

an interesting note on the 8.2s is that it seems like i could hear compressor "pumping" better on them compared to the St6, maybe the 8.2s could be good for mastering? :confused:

i get the feeling that maybe with a better amp (using a Crest CKS200 right now) like a Bryston or something, the KRKs could be even better, and remain as keepers even after a significant monitor upgrade. i'm not sure if i feel the same about the 8.2s as of right now. but i'll continue to work with them for now and see how the actual mix translations come out. i don't think my ears are really that good anyway, so take this "shootout" with a grain of salt. i could be completely off base here! :eek: :p





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  • Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik (this album actually has some dynamics!)
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  • Deftones - White Pony (love the mix on Digital Bath)
  • Bad Religion - The Empire Strikes First
  • A Perfect Circle - The Thirteenth Step
  • Sublime - Sumblime
 
Hey, I have exactly the same problem with the 8.2a as the original poster. Happened after a few weeks, and I didn't thrash them at all. Problem is, the place I bought it from wouldn't repair under warranty as I didn't have the receipt, and apparently it will cost me $90 to replace the tweeters as I'm in Australia. So if anyone know where I can get the tweeters for a more reasonable price, even if I have to get them shipped from US/UK, I'd be appreciative.

Thanks!
 
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