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ambi said:
i will admit those are a lot better than most of the complete crap i hear in mainstream stuff, ala 50 cent in da club. That guy can barely speak in fucking ebonics why is he on a song?

Alright, I guess we can declare this thread officially hijacked. :D

Just like anything else, the mic pre depends on the kind of rap and the particular voice, the microphone, etc. so this thread is pretty useless anyway.

Back to the off-topic, I don't see anything even in the least bit insightful about lyrics like that.

Sounds like a bunch of "society is royally fucked, but don't blame me or my music" crap. Just another millionare trying to shirk responsibility for the consequences his art (if you could call it that) inevitably has on others.

Pure garbage. No wonder rap sales have been down.

I remember about 10 years ago or so, there was a rap tune by PM Dawn called "Paper Doll." Those lyrics were about as poignant as I've ever heard from a rap tune in my existance.
 
now this is three different rhymes from a 17 yr old kid from the streets!!!

these are more of his abstract works, since that seems to be what you were hinting at as greatness

very long, but a read would do you good
at 20 yrs old
relax,hustle, find peace, and then struggle, to reach completion
shady ways where the road was paved, with hells secretions/
one bedroom ghettos spots, to a penthouse in the venetian
on a treadmill with a corvette engine, and a door i'm never reachin/
my speach patterns, release tattered emotions, from an open cut
spoke too soon cus a tomb's created from a mothers gut/
where i loom, the sun shines in a refraction of smog
even comedians' gangsters, steady laughin too hard/
critics, hop on ridick bowes, then weep and woe when they fall
children neglected by talents, don't even know when they call/
stalled movements, ever eludin touch, they'll never be reached
a new wind has brought a breath of air that has yet to been breathed/
i wonder if ideas have thoughts of they own, or if planets have homes
if god has a brother... if so why ain't he king of the throne?/
do clones know they ain't original, do trees have subliminal names
does blood feel like it's on a rollar coaster ride when creepin in veins/
does metal feel remorse for keepin prisoners chained?...
do the faces on my cards know that they livin a game?.../
do dead people speak... in a frequency uncharted
when they think of us are we refered to as dearly departed/
do answers ever ask questions, then get frustrated with silence
does eternity feel boredom when it remembers it's timeless?/
do apostles read the gospel, realize mistakes and then fret
when jesus turned one fish into a thousand did he mourn for their deaths?/
when my father walks in heaven, does he realize that he's dead?
are these crazy questions, or answers to the lies in my head/
does concrete envy grass, and the way that it grows
or maybe the other way around, for destination unknown/
did ghandi ever shed tears, and ask "why so many want to harm me "
and wonder if we march for peace or change forms into an army/
did hitler ever look into the eyes of a jew
and hear his concious speak the chillin words "that mighta been you"/
if heaven had a voice would it tell us to look
outside the righteous walls of church, and inside of a crook/
if dreamerss had encouragement would their words spur a change
are ideas only purpose to lure you out of your range/
is perfection, gained by letting go of all we achieved
to see we've never needed anything outside of our being/
are clouds a floating masterpiece, that's waiting for paint
is magic just simplicity we lost on the way/
if tragedys a symphony, is peace in the silence

at 17 yrs old
Cypher in Heaven, 360 degrees covered by seven
hetero hip hip, seems like I'm my own opposite, I stop and sit on god's floor,/
my sob store of sob stories recorded,
couldn't afford it, deported to the underground, for storage, /
elongated speech is anyone listenin why's the world gone deaf to me,
fuck being lonely i'd rather not have a breath to breathe, /
next to me is everything i ever wanted in life and I can't touch it,
and my fathers reachin for help I see his hand but can not clutch it,/
so I proceed to stamp my seed on bags of weed rolled in dutches,
Welcome To No Where been there forever no need for introductions,/
I'm guttin myself with this pen, spilled blood for yall to hear my word,
I LOVE YOU, so throw a nickel when you see me sleeping by a curb, /
MY Earth dishoned me, only if I was like the rest of you heartless, mindless, and happy,
maybe my conscience wouldn't attack me, life dwindled in rap dreams, /
it seems i've been walkin backwards but still travelin ahead,
often times I speak my mind and end up babblin instead, /
tragic it will end, passionate last moments sweatin memories,
when I leave the earth watch as all the errors cease, /
I'm a menace to myself, what will society do to me,
my image is fallin' for purity save it buy buying jewelery, /
for you to read my soul is of the most precious of moments, laugh and it gets manic,
life's too laid back, skinny dip and spike the ocean with hits of panic,/
I think I've landed on boardwalk with a hotel and I'm already broke,
tear down the projects to get money or my porsche will get repoed, /
I see all evil, hear it beatin on the drums in my ear,
been around freaks all my life it's you normal one's that I fear, /
a street car named desire, got ran off the road by this hopeless pedestrian,
this world is doorless, and still there's nobody to let me in, /
Even if they wanted me and I wanted them, I'd feel outside,
I've been miserable for years I know first hand the meaning of pride,/
I've been meaning to arrive n brains and hearts of those who push play on the tape deck,
odds are I'll fall in a week they're already startin to place bets, /
Forget respect, wackness, delivery and focus, who's the dopest,
who can't flow shit, and all that other talk that leaves Hip hop vulnerable and open,/
I'm hopin' to rise above the ashes of my world that burned to a crisp,
HIP HOP is dead nobody was even remotely concerned with my wish, /
blow words in a fist, thank sam dan and jason for keepin me on higher ground,
together forever till my casket drops making that dire sound, /
was I around for birth, no recollection of the event,
maybe I live in paper a piece of fiction and my thoughts are really pretend,/
bunk with candyman on the other side of the mirror,
make passionate love to angels, good or bad I don't know what's nearer,/
I fear a revival of hatred ,
visible color lines leavin Dr Kings work decimated, /
negative energy esculated to just doin damage,
be emcee first, leave behind black white jewish and spanish,/
my minds - my minds babblin' in babylonic nature
a path beyond the greater limits of minds my rhymes a take ya,/
into the abyss, listen closely my fathers callin me,
I'm gonna die, forget your petty condolonces no need for calmin me,/
I'm commonly confused for confucious, mistaken for the epitome of my hatred,
cry at the vision of all my enemies getting wasted, /
replace this tainted song with my heart pure sacrafice,
buried with this beat a pen and pad to take into the after life,/
schitzophranic perhaps i'm twice the person I'm supposed to be
drive bye's clutchin rosaries the thought just got a hold of me,/
notions of death gettin the finger from Jesus for my people crossin him,
dancin on the sun, not burnin my feet, just gotta keep rositive,/
i'm an artist but the only thing I'm starvin' for is attention,
feeling proof vest, a lotta my life was rittled with tension, /
destined for stardom I started the drive in a Saturn for the stars,
leave the sudo-intellectual suckas in hip hop back to starve, /
My tracks been scarred, with needles intervanous heart ache, and thug use,
middle finger stuck at the positionof hate, index says i'm gonna plug you, /
really the opposite I love you and a single nod will bring infinite happiness,
this is the end cus they're ain't no after this, /
the laziest activist actively in states of procrastinate,
accomplishments exxagerate,
he's my enemy take a stab at fate, /
perhaps too late, I'd rather wait, extract my hate, inject the scenery,
laugh today but die the next, in text, I feel no fear in me/

19 yrs old
hands swayin back and forth,dice in the right, cash in the left
456 shit, guess i'm passin the test/
wemt to grab the money when money, grabbed his heat
closed my eyes said good bye and braced this tragedy/
fuck that bastard, three shots to the leg i'm still breathin'
the spots empty, no ambulance in sight, my wills leavin'/
these lil heathin's walkin by thinkin' i'm ghost
pokin the holes from shots, i tried screamin a moan
was silent, violent end, try to get up from the ground
rose without my human form, now lookin over the crowd/
scopin the sounds, hopin i'm dreamin
my moms ran outta the house, still in her night gown loud screamin'/
MY, the lights come, a bright sun, i stepped forth
my life force seemed to surge to the next course, still askin what the heck for,
the dead prez and ends tore a hole in me
wonder if gods aight with the man i've grown to be/
questions later, sped at greater speeds to meet pete
pass through gates great, I made it, to the place of elite peace/
a street beast, but at least I had a heart of gold
hit with a wind of ice, black out, darkness fold/
awoke again, a man spoke, I AM HIM
YAHEW THE CREATOR WITHOUT ME LIFE IS GRIM/
word up, I got a question
ASK SON
why the fuck did you ever allow a hand gun/
THIS iS MANS WORK
yeah but you planned this damn earth
LOWER YA TONE
sorry man but this scam hurts/
I UNDERSTAND YA PAIN
how boss
I LOST A SON AND OVER HALF MY PEOPLE IN THE HOLOCAUST/
word I lost some fam too
guess that makes us fam dude
i needed cash to get out
and followed my plan through/
now I've come before you
no expecations
but can you ease my mothers pain
from my destination/
WISH GRANTED
but man it's a shame i died
no albums made
my name'll fade
no fame needed
by the way this game treated me
ain't been peacefully
my last mark was the blood laid on the streets I be, eternal scenery/
i like that, but why's it like that
at night gats burst, and a black hearse shows up to act first/
i have a feeling that's worse then my death
will it change will the people get a rest/
he anserwed with a tone of remorse
while a tear dripped
he rose from his throne like a lone star on fears trip/
GOD
I cry every day, when I see the earth bleed
as my sons and daughters die trust me son it hurts me/
I watched them crucify my child, knowin the whole while
as he asked me if i've forgotten him, wish i could of gotten him/
while he's rottin inthe sun, and now times are still harsh
i try recievin their prayers, but it's clouded with dark/

i'm sorry god, i guess you's a lot like me
had a bad time with life, that's a lot like me/
stressed out to tired to have fought like me
and you see the world dyin your distraught like me/
but we could build and instill a heart of will into the children
maybe embark and start to make the scars begin healin/
well god it's been real an' I feel like I'm to leave
i got a second chance at life, and the change starts with me/

at 17 yrs old
I think to speak some illicit illustrations send explicit invitiations with descriptive implications,
a diffence it's been facin, with an emphasis on chasin, this nation providin different faces of duration/
no time to relax pause, I rhyme and extract awes, lines interact Gods devine design to attract applause
but that cause of anarchy plant are key of distress
level of hate is higher then the mount of THC in my chest/
you see I lead and attest the revolution, cheated the test of evolution
steep in the stress of destituion, leadin the rest to execution/
even the best seek retrebution, death difusin' my head
searchin for serenity but found confusion instead/
intrution it read, disrespect to the masses
question passes, as is, I guess I slept through most the classes/
I took, life shook with a deadly force
trauma plagued, I gave my heart now motherfucker send me yours/
plenty more there was pressure, at first sight relaxed with ease
I was riding on a dream, outside my brains capacities/
I got a head like hole allow my mind to be clouded
life of a kid who lost a piece with every rhyme that he shouted/
I search for peace haven't found it, heaven is history
share my speach with god, CRUCIFY this into me/
a sin to be myself, individualtity left scars
a cynical synopsis but I await the change so let's start/
a new plan of pinnacle process, constantly crippled by nonsense
absent minded but concious, my conscience is dying a long tense/
moment of absolution and fear for the fact it feels so good
keep my head in the office but my heart content right in the hood/
right is it good wrong is it bad, it's sad my dads missed
most of our lives we live in fear of the wrong reaction/
high fidelity, my inner walls are sound proof
time to meditate and celebrate new found youth/
surround truth with facade to keep them on their toes
born with the truth, I guess for most it's just to hard to know/
I sparsely go where all men have boldly died
the rope we tied ,anticipating a lonely ride/
only time will tell, smashin clocks to keep my secret
wash myslef in vanity, sanity played delinquent/
but still I reap in benefits of doubt, sarcasm, uneasiness
never won anything and there's nothing left for me to miss/
I've treated rap, like an aquisation, always on the defensive side
deep puddle of waist, bucklin up for this relentless ride/
soul searchin, mind travelin, dabblin feet in the water
unhoooked the cross around my neck -sucess- ya needed no longer/
I've defeated my ponder like look on life, I crooked it twice for an individual book to write, minimal look alikes, but maybe I'm just not lookin right, I took the plight, but admit i was just to shook to fight/
look it's white, as the kids laugh and point at my skin
so at twelve said hell pass the joint and pass the gin/
I'm passive in my ways, leading to advantages taken
life would be shit if it wasn't for my steady canabis grazin/
cravin' for a hit, blazin off the fruit of the land
true to the plan, kill a cop that tries uprootin mah plant/
truth is in fact, a block between the thoughts of right and left
for all eternity, I'll be sure to beat the fight with death/
leak the slightest breath, and leave this world a have not
cus I ain't had shit... since I had pops/
 
chessrock said:
I think that you'd be equally happy with either of the options you mentioned.

But like cominginsecond said, I don't think it really matters. After all, it's not like you're actually making real music or anything. :D :D


I saw the smilies and figured u were joking to make light of the previous """Either one. I doubt you'll notice much of a difference for hip hop, no offense"" comment ... But those are really sentiments. Wow.
This isn't good fellas. While it's fine to have your opinions, how appropriate is it to treat any genre with disrespect. The thread originator clearly asked for an oppinion on specific equipment. Anyone with input should just give their answer with a lil bit technical explaination of why so to educate. Thats what I see happening when a question is asked about equipment for rock, country, or jazz.

For those of u who give helpful,genre unbiased responses to the threads posted at HR you're greatly appreciated

Those of U who feel hip hop heads should confine themselves to what some consider the dungeon of the HR mansion (DJ/Hip Hop/ Rap Beats forum) Fuck U with a dogs dick



Extra Special Fuck U goes to....


Sweetnubs for making special trips to the Hip Hop board to post ignorant shit. pussy

Its a damn shame!
 
P.S.

In reguards to the lyrical content comparison...

Why would any need to justify hip hop to some who clearly dosen't like it. Leave a man to his likes and dislikes. I just think its messed up how offensive some folk can be.
 
It's not possible to win an inter-genre lyrical battle. No matter what one person posts, the other can just say that it sucks and there's really no further proof that can be offered either way. It's pretty ignorant, though, to think that there isn't both good and bad in every genre of music.

FWIW, I'm not a huge hip-hop fan, but I liked all of the hip hop lyric samples better than chessrock's first set of lyrics. His second example isn't bad, but maybe that's because I recognize the song and hear it in my mind together with the music. It's really all down to personal taste though.
 
My point about the preamp not mattering because it's hip hop has nothing to do with the artistic integrity of hip hop. I like a lot of hip hop: PE, KRS-One, Blackalicious, and a little Missy Elliot.

My point was that, since rap is spoken, and not sung, the subtle difference between those two mic amps are not going to make that much of a difference. They're both great. They'll both do the job well. In fact, they may both be overkill. I would just run a 57 into the best preamp you have and call it good.
 
cominginsecond said:
My point was that, since rap is spoken, and not sung, the subtle difference between those two mic amps are not going to make that much of a difference.

I disagree with this on two points. Firstly, rap isn't really "spoken". Nor is it really "sung". It has elements of both, but it's really it's own thing. The dynamic and tiberal textures of rap will often be as varied as they are with singing. You can't equate it with something like a "book on tape".

Secondly, even for simple spoken word, the choice of mic pre will still make a difference in sound. Depending on the performer and the performance, it could make a very significant difference.
 
jslator said:
I disagree with this on two points. Firstly, rap isn't really "spoken". Nor is it really "sung". It has elements of both, but it's really it's own thing. The dynamic and tiberal textures of rap will often be as varied as they are with singing. You can't equate it with something like a "book on tape".

Secondly, even for simple spoken word, the choice of mic pre will still make a difference in sound. Depending on the performer and the performance, it could make a very significant difference.
Good point. I didn't really think of it that way. You may be right.
 
I liked those lyrics a lot, Moeses.

Thanks for posting them. That's some very impressive use of the English language, and a complex view of the world for such a young dude. Great stuff.


What cominginsecond said is also kind of what I was getting at in a very joking manner, of course. No need to get bent out of shape over it. And it's not as much a genre thing as it is a commercial / radio thing. The only hip hop I hear is the stuff on the radio, which is almost all bad. I don't hear good lyrics like the ones Moeses posted. All I hear is crap like "pimpin'," "hoes," "gangsta," "nigga'" and other silly terms every so often, which really doesn't leave me with a good impression of your genre. It makes them appear very unsophistocated.

Sort of like clowns with potty mouths and big, shiny, gold chains. :D I'm certainly open to the idea that MTV might not be giving me an accurate representation of hip-hop, and the hip-hop that I know may very well be a poor example of the whole.


As far as the mic pre goes, the same rules apply as to anything else. If you're rapping very aggressively, and you want some extra muscle, then use a tube pre. Absolutely use a tube pre. If you're style is smoother, or if you're trying to go for clean and pristine on the other hand, then something more neutral and detailed might be in order . . . something solid state along the lines of Focusrite, Grace Design, etc.

And again, just like with anything else, use whatever works for you. There aren't many rules to this.
 
sup moe...good shit...when do you battle on B.A.R.T. again?
 
Cool John? lol wassup who are you?

i'm bout to go record one right now against J-Sin...it'll be posted up on monday
 
its RIPPA

im still listenin to that one on fozzit

"be honest, moe brings the rawness, keep ya head down, so you can keep an eye on where ya jaw is"

lmao
 
moeses said:
lol Dre is one of the most talented music writers in the history of music

Dr. Dre never wrote his lyrics, he had ghostwriters. If your talking about his production then yea your correct.


-HipHop Artist Representin'
 
Elvis had people write songs for him (I thought Dre wrote his, but....), but they would not be the same if someone else had done them. Same with Dr. Dre.

They both brought the lyrics to life as no one could have. And yes...Eminem falls into the exact same catagory, but he writes his stuff.


For all the hiphop "haters" out there, check out Gangstarr. Moment of Truth is one of the greatest albums based on human interaction.
 
does metal feel remorse for keepin prisoners chained?...
do the faces on my cards know that they livin a game?.../
do dead people speak... in a frequency uncharted
when they think of us are we refered to as dearly departed/
do answers ever ask questions, then get frustrated with silence
does eternity feel boredom when it remembers it's timeless?/
This is some seriously great writing. The parallels in this rap remind me strongly of "Auguries of Innocence" by William Blake. Sharp kid.

As far as the Enimem goes, the coolest thing about his writing is the way that he plays with the sounds of words and sentences... there's not much deep meaning there. And the chorus of that song, which to me has the most resonance, was of course written by Aerosmith...
 
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